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Offline ChuckM

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Phillips screwdriver
« on: July 23, 2018, 12:36 PM »
I have some tiny Phillips screws to remove from a camera lens, but my cheap screwdrivers intended for fixing eyeglasses won't do the job. Are there any screwdrivers with durable and strong Phillips bit heads that you can recommend for this kind of job? A larger handle is even better.

« Last Edit: July 23, 2018, 12:41 PM by ChuckM »

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Offline Alanbach

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2018, 01:40 PM »
Do you know what size the Phillips heads are? There are many great eouropean screwdriver manufacturers discussed on the FOG and one of the most prevalent is Wiha. I just quickly looked up Wiha jewelers screwdrivers and the following set came up. I don’t know this company (dealer) but I do know Wiha and they typically make a good product. Again, I don’t know if Phillips size 00 or 0 is the size you need? If you go to Amazon or wherever you order good quality tools from and search for “jewelers screwdriver set” I think that you will get choices. From there it’s just a matter of whether you want good quality that will last a while or something less expensive.

https://www.wihatools.com/tech-tools/precision-screwdrivers/precision-slotted-phillips-screwdrivers-7-piece-set


Offline Alanbach

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2018, 01:51 PM »
This same set is also available on Amazon. They are also available individually by size. I am guessing that you will need Phillips size 0 or 00 or 000?

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2018, 02:07 PM »
Thanks.

Since posting my inquiry, someone told me I should only use the JIS as the camera lens screws are not really Phillips:

https://www.amazon.com/Hozan-JIS-5-JIS-Screwdriver-Gen/dp/B003F63WI8

Upon further search, I found this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/JIS-Type-S-Driver-Set-Pollicis-4Pc-/182387909312?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c1#viTabs_0
« Last Edit: July 23, 2018, 02:09 PM by ChuckM »

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2018, 02:18 PM »
I have this all in one precision bit screwdriver that I got from Sears around 10 years ago.  Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find anything similar on sears.com or amazon.com just now.  I like that it's all in one instead of a set that comes in a box.  The shaft is extendable and the cap will also hold bits so it can act as a stubby driver.  The cap also doubles as a magnetizer/demagnetizer.

I'll keep looking online to see if I can find one similar.  This thing is actually so handy I'd like to buy 1 or 2 more if I can find something like it.

The bits are only the standard, slotted, torx, and philips sizes - just in small sizes - down to P00.








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Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2018, 04:34 PM »
Right, JIS is not exactly the same a as Phillips.  There are a couple others that are similar too. Biggest thing is to figure out which you actually have so you can get the correct driver.

Here is a really good and complete description of many drive types.

    https://www.instructables.com/id/When-a-Phillips-is-not-a-Phillips/

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« Last Edit: July 23, 2018, 04:36 PM by SRSemenza »

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2018, 04:44 PM »
I learned something new today - I had never heard of JIS before.  It does looking strikingly similar to a phillips head.

Neither of these sets contain a JIS bits, but they are the closest thing that I was able to find to the precision screwdriver that I have:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001347WM6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A8ZEAA8VT2V1D&psc=1
https://www.micromark.com/12-in-1-Extendable-Precision-Screwdriver

Not something that I use very often, but when you come across a tiny slotted, phillips, or torx  screw it really comes in handy.  It really is critical to use the correct bit - I've tried to get around it by using say a small slotted head into a torx or phillips head when that was all I had and you usually end up stripping the head and just making a bigger problem.
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Offline pixelated

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2018, 04:52 PM »
If the lens is Japanese, then the screws may very well be JIS.
General has some reasonable precision driver sets which are common in the hardwares stores and the Blue and Orange home center stores, though I'm not sure their sets include JIS tips. Otherwise I'd look to Wiha. Micro-Tools is a good online source for precision tools, along with some of the other sources mentioned in other threads in here.

Sometimes screws are anchored with lacquer, so you may need some acetone or nail polish remover.

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2018, 12:12 AM »
So this thread fascinated me because I had never heard of JIS before today and because I am a bonified tool junkie. I did some more research and discovered a high quality screwdriver maker from Japan called Vessel. Apparently if you want to buy the “good stuff” for JIS screws they are it. There are some on Amazon. Good luck!

Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2018, 09:04 AM »
My beloved offspring very thoughtfully gave me a Wiha 75988 multi-bit pocket screwdriver.  It has five different phillips bits and three straight bits, all of which fit inside the handle.  It's just the thing to fit inside my camera bag since there are so many very small screws in the bodies and lenses. 
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Offline Alanbach

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2018, 09:23 AM »
Perfect! Do the Phillips bits fit the screws well enough for what you need? If not you can source JIS bits that will fit in your new screwdriver handle. Finding JIS bits in 1,2 and 3 should be easy. Finding zero thru triple zero might be harder. Hopefully the Phillips bits will do the trick.

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2018, 09:31 AM »
My beloved offspring very thoughtfully gave me a Wiha 75988 multi-bit pocket screwdriver.  It has five different phillips bits and three straight bits, all of which fit inside the handle.  It's just the thing to fit inside my camera bag since there are so many very small screws in the bodies and lenses. 

That looks like a nice compact set - pretty much what I've been looking for.  When I tried searching for "Wiha 75988 multi-bit pocket screwdriver" I only got results for a 10 piece micro torx bit set: https://www.wihatools.com/micro-bit-torx-replacement-pack.  Do you know if there is another model number I can search for?

While searching for the your screwdriver I came across this style of screwdriver that looks very similar to the style I was looking for:
https://www.kctoolco.com/wiha-75093-16-piece-system-4-esd-slotted-phillips-and-torx-micro-bit-screwdriver-set/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzMat_ua33AIViJOzCh0icAnKEAQYASABEgIJ4vD_BwE.

I might pick up both and while I'm at it the Wiha Ultradriver looks awesome too.
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Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2018, 09:44 AM »
I think I found that Wiha set: https://www.wihatools.com/tech-tools/micro-bits/bit-handle-storage-sets/micro-bit-handle-storage-slotted-phillips-pocket-clip-7-piece-set.  Looks like the actual SKU is 75981.  I guess the 75988 is the SKU for just the handle itself.
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2018, 10:03 AM »
Perfect! Do the Phillips bits fit the screws well enough for what you need? If not you can source JIS bits that will fit in your new screwdriver handle. Finding JIS bits in 1,2 and 3 should be easy. Finding zero thru triple zero might be harder. Hopefully the Phillips bits will do the trick.

The 00 and 000 Phillips bits fit the easily-accessible screws on both body (Lumix DC-G9) and lenses very nicely.  The straight bits fit my glasses screws quite nicely, as well.  It's a nice addition to the camera bag, and takes up little space, with minimal weight penalty.  I may make a small plug of foam to fit inside the screw-on top to reduce the "rattliness" of the assembly.  Noisy camera equipment is more of an annoyance than a help. 
« Last Edit: July 24, 2018, 10:06 AM by Sparktrician »
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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2018, 04:31 AM »
I bought a set of micro screwdrivers from Snap-On. Various sizes of blade and Phillips drivers in a nice case. The steel is high quality, the grips feel comfortable, and the top of the grip rotates so you can spin the driver while applying downward pressure with an index finger. Overall, very high quality.

One step up is a set of driver tips with a single handle from Brownell. The kit includes just about every tip technology in a range of sizes. This kit is primarily for firearm maintenance, but works for anything. The blade tips are hollow ground so they don’t cam out of the slot and mar the screw.
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2018, 10:11 AM »
@ChuckM Amazon.ca have a phillips set only

And if you are a prime member it's free shipping  [big grin]
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2018, 12:03 PM »
Thanks. I am getting the JIS screwdrivers from eBay as the Phillips screw bit did cam out on the camera screws.

Offline mwildt

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Re: Phillips screwdriver
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2018, 12:51 PM »
For jis check out rjj cooltools as well.