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« on: March 26, 2011, 12:52 PM » |
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I'm starting with some small projects around the house soon where I need some drilling done in concrete walls. I've always used my brothers Makita drill, but I think it should be time I buy my own. The Protool CHP 26 PLUS might be kind of overkill for most jobs around the house I think, but there is always some job in the future where I need the extra power... I won't make that mistake again.  I'm about 90 bucks over my intended budget here, but I always try to buy tools that last for decades for home use. Now I work with Festool mostly at work, and it's quality stuff, but can I expect the same quality from this drill? http://www.protool.com.au/mediandoweb/index.cfm?ID_O_TREE_GROUP=6454 |
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2011, 01:27 PM » |
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In short, yes. Protool tools are made to the same standard as Festools. On a (vaguely) related point, that drill looks very much like the ones made by another German company, Kress. I have one of their drills (made by Kress but badged for Wickes professional range) and it's really well made. I got it about 5 years ago second-hand (paid £30 for it!) and it's been used for allsorts, from small holes, through mixing plaster, to drilling 6" (150mm) cores through brick & stone! if it's as good as mine (which I'm sure it will be) then I'd say go for it! |
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2011, 01:44 PM » |
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Hi, Is that a hammer drill or rotary hammer? Terminology may differ around the world. Different mechanics inside. It looks like an SDS Plus rotary hammer. Does it have a hammer only setting? For using chisels? http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1T4DGUS_en&q=bosch+rotary+hammer&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=9436049164336263047&sa=X&ei=giWOTcbUA8W50QHpzsCsCw&ved=0CFIQ8wIwAgIn any case I have a Bosch rotary hammer , it is a really nice tool for drilling or chipping concrete, etc. I would not say it is overkill. It might be overkill for small holes but it will do bigger stuff too, and is not too big for small stuff. I use it for pretty small holes for TapCon screws. Seth |
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2011, 01:45 PM » |
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Here you go - compare the two:  Looks the same to me... BTW, some of the Kress models have their version of a plug-it cable. The ones they do for others all seem to have fixed cables, but they still look the same. I did wonder if they just glue the connectors in  I tried pulling mine to see, but I didn't dare pull too hard... |
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2011, 01:51 PM » |
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And here's the Wickes one. I have the older version (previous model) of this one:  |
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2011, 01:55 PM » |
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Here you go - compare the two: [ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ] Looks the same to me... BTW, some of the Kress models have their version of a plug-it cable. The ones they do for others all seem to have fixed cables, but they still look the same. I did wonder if they just glue the connectors in I tried pulling mine to see, but I didn't dare pull too hard... Wonder what the price difference is between the two as they are clearly the same drill or made from the same place is the red bit on the kregg metal? On the protool the front section looks metal. Jmb |
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2011, 01:56 PM » |
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And here's the Wickes one. I have the older version (previous model) of this one:
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Kinda makes you wonder about protool don't it lol makes me have second thoughts! Wickes has a tool which looks like protool  |
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2011, 02:00 PM » |
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Wonder what the price difference is between the two as they are clearly the same drill or made from the same place is the red bit on the kregg metal? On the protool the front section looks metal.
I thought that too. I don't know if it is metal, or just the lighting in the picture. But it does look like die-cast aluminium on the Protool. Kinda makes you wonder about protool don't it lol makes me have second thoughts! Wickes has a tool which looks like protool Yes, but the one I've got (like I said it's a different model) is really good quality, I'd even go so far as to say 'Festool quality'. |
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2011, 02:03 PM » |
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Looks can be deceiving. Check them out for what is inside and makes them tick.
Seth
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2011, 02:16 PM » |
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Wonder what the price difference is between the two as they are clearly the same drill or made from the same place is the red bit on the kregg metal? On the protool the front section looks metal.
I thought that too. I don't know if it is metal, or just the lighting in the picture. But it does look like die-cast aluminium on the Protool. Kinda makes you wonder about protool don't it lol makes me have second thoughts! Wickes has a tool which looks like protool Yes, but the one I've got (like I said it's a different model) is really good quality, I'd even go so far as to say 'Festool quality'. Wow risky statement! I bought this hammer drill a bit ago. It has loads of power 3.5j 1010watts which is more than the protool has which is 3.2j 800watts they both do weigh the same 29kg but the protool is the larger shape type which I don't like I prefer the pistol shape smaller easier to hold just nicer shape to use and cus it's smaller in size it just feels lighter and less bulky. I just think the milweuakee meets your needs as you said you want more power just not something to big overkill? The milwuakee also has Hammer stop Drilling SDS hammer/drill And chisel adjustment so just before you put it into hammer stop for knocking of render wiv a wide chisel you can rotate the chisel by hand to where you want it and then lock it into position http://www.milwaukeetool.co.uk/int/uk/uk_products.nsf/vwToolsLink/E0FEB3AF02F6909FC125785B004904B3?OpenDocument&nav1=proJmb |
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2011, 03:40 PM » |
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And here's the Narex. Yeah the re-branding happens a lot with tools. I also have a Bosch GEX 150 ac random orbit sander... but it's orange... and has BTI written on it. It can be annoying sometimes to find spare parts if you don't know what brand it actually is.  Looks like the Protool is a bit more expensive then the Kress, but the protool comes in a systainer. So with that in mind they are about the same price. I actually prefer this shape over the pistol style. It feels a bit more balanced. I've also been told machines like that are more durable. Not sure why, or if it's true though. Rotary hammer, also for chiseling. This is from the Kress website 800 Watt SDS+ Rotary Hammer with soft side handle, depth gauge & carry case.
* MAXX-Power 800 Watt motor with integrated switch for reversible function
* Angular design with spade grip ensures optimal handling and best possible centre of pressure control
* Best possible cooling of the motor and gears ensures longevity
* Reversible function
* Control electronics for soft and slow drilling
* Synchronised change from drilling to chiselling operations
* Rotation stop with spindle lock for light-duty chiselling operations
* Hammer stop for normal drilling
* Safety friction clutch protects the user and machine
* Soft hand grip and rubberised trigger switch for working with reduced fatigue
* 4 m rubber mains cable with patented quick-action lock.
* SDS-Plus tool holder with automatic locking |
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2011, 04:04 PM » |
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I don't see y it would be more durable over pistol. Well the milweuakee pistol version i showed you above has overload cut out for if your doing alot of chiseling which can easily burn out SDS drills. Well the milweuakee SDS feels really solid I like it, very nice far nicer than many of the Bosch SDS drills I have used which seems to be a very popular SDS to buy in the UK.
I have used mine for core drilling, 7mm to 25mm SDS bits and knocking of plaster it has had some hammer already.
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2011, 06:18 PM » |
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I have its little brother, PDP 24-2 EAQ, capacity is as good or better any other comers it's size. I'm happy with it. Not to mention, snaps in the stack of course.  I have an older Hilti 23 for bigger jobs. |
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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2011, 02:59 AM » |
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its very interesting to see these identical models from different tool companies.
i agree that its what inside counts.
i have been using protool drills for 11 years now.
i have no complaints at all. very well balanced drills and never had any break downs.
i recently bought a protool 5 inch grinder which states "narex ceska lipa, made in czech republic".
i assume narex and protool are one and the same company.
the protool/narex grinders are great tools and i am very happy with the build quality.
i just wish they made a reciprocating saw!
justin.
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2011, 12:03 PM » |
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I finally found the time to get some work done around here and bought the drill today. Totally happy with it! Punched some holes in concrete without any effort, feels solid and well balanced. It came in the new T-Loc systainer and they threw in a set of Protool drills.  The manual also came with a sheet for every part, same with Festool, so if anything breaks, it can be replaced. The front is indeed plastic and the cord doesn't seem to be removable. But I don't see any problem with that.
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