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Offline tvgordon

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router lifts
« on: May 31, 2008, 08:26 PM »
Hi,

I was looking at the woodpecker's website at the incra layout tools and I noticed they sell a router lift for plunge routers.  It's called the plungelift and I wondered if anyone had any experience with it or have heard or read anything about it.

I was going to buy a new router to replace my PC 690 in the router table, but I would like to save $40 to 50 and use my big PC router (that I rarely use anyway).  I don't want to get stuck with something that doesn't work right so any help you can provide is appreciated! :D

Tom.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2008, 10:18 PM »
Hi,

  Which big PC router do you have?   From my experience all of the Wood Peckers products are very good.  I have the PRL in my table.

Seth

Offline Corwin

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2008, 10:28 PM »
I have the PRL also.  Their Quick Lift also looks like a nice choice.  I would think you would not be disappointed with any of their lifts for your router.
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2008, 11:09 PM »
I have the quicklift and use it with a dedicated Bosch 1617/1618.  Love it!

c.
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Offline Daviddubya

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2008, 11:13 PM »
I have a Plunge Lift from Woodpeckers with a Freud FT2000e router.  I have had it for several years.  It works just fine.  I do not try to change bits with the router in the table, because the Freud router employs a shaft lock which would be hard to use in the table.  It is very easy to pop the router out and lay it on top of the table for bit changes.  The Woodpecker plates are nice - they have a large selection of twist lock rings to match the size of a wide range of bit diameters.  Woodpeckers products and customer service are great in my expereince.
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Offline tvgordon

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2008, 10:50 AM »
Thanks for your help guys! :D  I've heard woodpecker's products were good but I wanted some input before I bought the lift.

Seth, I have the 3 1/2 hp variable speed plunge Porter Cable (7539?).  I don't use it much because I usually reach for the 2 1/2 hp Bosch or 3 1/2 hp DeWalt.  I've used a PC 690 in the table for years now and it's got to the point where it sometimes comes loose from the base and I would like to use larger bits.  I was sure glad I have a switch mounted to the table the time the router dropped out of it's base!  Luckily it landed on the shelf on it's top and not it's side. :o

Tom.

Offline Zaphod

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2008, 11:16 AM »
I'm probably in the minority; but I view the lifts as a solution to a nonexistent problem.  I've used a PC 7518 for years in a standard insert plate.  Changing bits couldn't be easier or quicker; lift the plate, unscrew the motor; use the two wrenches to loosen the collet; takes all of 30 seconds if that.  IMHO, two wrenches are easier to use than trying to hold a lock with one hand and use the wrench with the other hand.  I have a 1400 for non-table use and like the ratcheting collar but it's still not as convenient as the two wrenches on the 7518.

Changing heights with the big PC is trivial; loosen the locking lever and rotate the motor.  The 7518's depth ring is graduated in 64ths; easy to eyeball to ~ 1/256.  I played with the Woodpeck 7518 lift at a Woodcraft; nicely made and worked as advertised; just didn't didn't add any utility in my opinion.  Perhaps other routers benefit more from the lifts.

Zaphod

Offline hissatsu

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2008, 01:22 PM »
I have the quicklift and use it with a dedicated Bosch 1617/1618.  Love it!

c.

I've been using the same setup in a Bench Dog  contractor table for the past year. Works great. The ability to quickly move the router up and down for bit changes is such a time saver. I haven't used a Woodpeckers product yet I didn't like.

Pedro
« Last Edit: June 01, 2008, 01:23 PM by hissatsu »

Offline James Metcalf

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2008, 02:22 PM »
 I have had a 7539 for a couple of years and bought the Woodpecker lift about three weeks ago. I like it very much, the only negative with it and the 7539 is you have to lock the plunge after you make your setting and for my set up it is on the back side where you cannot see. I have thought adding a lever to the lock that can be better reached . The RPM setting cannot be seen from the front, but you can feel the clicks so no problem there.                                                                                                   When the router is turned 180 degrees from this, the height adjustment is under the fence  so it must be mounted this way.                                                                                                                                                                                            Highland hardware had 8 mm collets last year that fit the 7539. I found that information here on FOG.
I use the Festool bits and get long life out of them. Most of my 1/2" bits are Whiteside and having both 1/2" and 8mm collets has been handy.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2008, 02:57 PM by James Metcalf »

Offline tvgordon

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 06:13 PM »
Did you buy your router lift from woodpeckers?  I looked around a little and haven't found any dealers discounting the lifts.

Tom.

Offline James Metcalf

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 07:50 PM »
Tom

I did buy it from Woodpeackers.

Offline Corwin

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2008, 11:32 PM »
If you are interested in Woodpecker products, do sign up for their e-club as they do offer deals to those members on a regular basis -- usually weekly.
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2008, 11:37 PM »
Hi,

   tvgordon,  go to the Woodpeckers website click on Join Our E Club. If you sign up (free) they will email you (I know, last thing you need) once a week with specials. They sort of cycle through stuff. When the lifts go on sale they are usually about $30.00 off,sometimes a little more.   The emails are not the pushy type, they contain pics of whats on sale with coupon codes, and also notify you of new products.

 Corwin beat me to it, but I am posting anyway ;D

Seth

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2008, 01:27 AM »
Thanks Corwin and Semenza. I'm always visiting their site but never thought on clicking that button. Now I'm signed up.    8)

Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2008, 09:49 AM »
Tom,
I have the Woodpeckers Precision Router Life (PRL).  I've been giving it heavy usage for around five years now, and it has performed amazingly!  I can't imagine working without it!

After Festool, Woodpeckers and Incra products are my favorite line of tools.

Matthew
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Offline Corwin

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2008, 06:59 PM »
After Festool, Woodpeckers and Incra products are my favorite line of tools.

Matthew

I like my Incra and Woodpecker products with my Festools, not after.    ;)

Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline Zaphod

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2008, 07:04 PM »
Matthew,

What conveniences does the lift afford you?  Are you using a PC 7518 with your lift?  I'll concede that very small height adjustments may be quicker via the lift; otherwise, I can't fathom any benefit.  Please illuminate me if I'm overlooking any lift advantages. 

Zaphod

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2008, 07:28 PM »

What conveniences does the lift afford you?  Are you using a PC 7518 with your lift?  I'll concede that very small height adjustments may be quicker via the lift; otherwise, I can't fathom any benefit.  Please illuminate me if I'm overlooking any lift advantages. 



I'm using the  BenchDog Prolift with my PC 7518. For me, the biggest advantages are ease of use and accuracy.


John
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Offline Chris Hughes

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2008, 07:55 PM »
   Wow, not a Jesum in the bunch.  I bought a master lift three years ago and love using my router table now.  I still have my Rousseau table and a fixed base PC which I use in very small set-ups or for quick little jobs.  IMHO when you are setting up to do light production, a lift base, top adjustable, 3 1/4 hp variable speed, independently adjustable fence with dust port, and at least one T rail for a after market miter guide are the way to go.  Just my opinion.    Chris

Offline James Metcalf

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2008, 10:44 PM »
The 7539 PC is a plunge router. I would never buy a plunge router for a table, but in my case I had the 7518 before table. After having  Festool routers you look for something to do with the old router on the shelf.  The 7518 has soft start and different speeds,with power, not bad but still a plunge router. This locks you in with your choice of lifts. You live and you learn. Just a reminder if you are buying a router for a table do not get a plunge router.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2008, 12:30 AM »
I'm probably in the minority; but I view the lifts as a solution to a nonexistent problem.  I've used a PC 7518 for years in a standard insert plate.  Changing bits couldn't be easier or quicker; lift the plate, unscrew the motor; use the two wrenches to loosen the collet; takes all of 30 seconds if that.  IMHO, two wrenches are easier to use than trying to hold a lock with one hand and use the wrench with the other hand.  I have a 1400 for non-table use and like the ratcheting collar but it's still not as convenient as the two wrenches on the 7518.

Changing heights with the big PC is trivial; loosen the locking lever and rotate the motor.  The 7518's depth ring is graduated in 64ths; easy to eyeball to ~ 1/256.  I played with the Woodpeck 7518 lift at a Woodcraft; nicely made and worked as advertised; just didn't didn't add any utility in my opinion.  Perhaps other routers benefit more from the lifts.

Zaphod


Hi,

       I use two wrenches with the  7518 in the PRL in the table.  The lift makes the height adjustment more convenient and dead on precise. No pulling the router and plate out of the table or going underneath loosening motor, adjusting, tightening motor. I find this especially useful when having to make several small height changes in a row gettiing something to be just right.  If you need  to move the bit up or down just insert crank , turn, remove crank. Repeat as needed. Quite literally five seconds,  perfectly precise amount, and easier.
      My feeling is that once you try a lift in the shop you would never want to go back. Not knocking your method , I am just saying why I like the lift better.


Seth

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2008, 08:16 AM »
Matthew,

What conveniences does the lift afford you?  Are you using a PC 7518 with your lift?  I'll concede that very small height adjustments may be quicker via the lift; otherwise, I can't fathom any benefit.  Please illuminate me if I'm overlooking any lift advantages.

Sorry I didn't respond sooner!

First, yes, I am using the PC 7518.  At the time I bought my lift, that was the "Natural" fit.

There are a few major benefits to having a lift.  Here are my top three (follow up with other questions if you want to know more):
  • I can adjust bit height from above the table
  • I can zero in on a cut with more precision
  • I can repeat heights for different cuts using the scales (count rotations)

Matthew
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Offline pmkierst

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2008, 09:16 AM »
   Wow, not a Jesum in the bunch. 

I have a Jessem Mast(R)Lift Excel with their fence system as well, with a 7518 in it. It is a really great set-up that has made using the router table a helluva lot more pleasant for me.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2008, 12:07 PM »
The 7518 has soft start and different speeds,with power, not bad but still a plunge router. This locks you in with your choice of lifts. You live and you learn. Just a reminder if you are buying a router for a table do not get a plunge router.

I assume that's a typo; the 7518 is a fixed base router.

I'm not knocking the lifts; they do indeed work as advertised; I guess I don't value their benefits as much.  I don't consider changing the height from under the table any less efficient. 
I think bit changes are actually quicker without having to crank the lift 16 or 32 revolutions/inch to get the collet accessible from above the table.
I often use a set of the brass bars and my fingertip for setting the bit height; very fast and extremely accurate.

Using the lift's scale could be useful in certain situations assuming you haven't changed the bit.

Zaphod


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Re: router lifts
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2008, 12:42 PM »
I also have a Jessem Mast(R) Lift Excel.  I'm using a PC 890 router in it.  The precision and repeatability is excellent.  Easy to change bits above the table.  Easy to dial in micro-adjustments.  Very good dust collection with above and below the table connections to a "Y" adapter.

I installed it a shop-made cabinet.  They offer a table, but I wanted to minimize noise and maximize storage with the enclosure.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2008, 01:18 PM »

Quote
I'm not knocking the lifts; they do indeed work as advertised; I guess I don't value their benefits as much.  I don't consider changing the height from under the table any less efficient. 
I think bit changes are actually quicker without having to crank the lift 16 or 32 revolutions/inch to get the collet accessible from above the table.

If you're using one of Woodpecker's Quicklifts, that's untrue. It has 1/32" per revolution fine adjustment and a lift wrench that lets you change height immediately as far up or down as it can go. Definitely better than banging my hands around with the wrenches under the table top while changing bits. I'd never even consider going back to not having a lift.

Pedro
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Re: router lifts
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2008, 02:50 PM »
I also use Jessem master lift, in a Jessem table (not the excel).  It is a sturdy and precise lift.  One of those accessories I asked myself for years ":What do I need that for" and now that I have it, wouldn't give it up for "all the tea in China".

Offline tvgordon

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2008, 04:48 PM »
Thanks Corwin and Seth, I joined the Woodpecker's club at your recommendations.  I saw a coupon or two this week and will wait for the lift coupon.

I wouldn't buy a plunge router for table use, but I already have the router and it would be difficult to use without a lift.

Zaphod,
I agree that using a fixed base router in a table does not require a lift.  With the PC 690 it wasn't that hard to set the bit height or remove the motor to change bits.  Like other have said, lifts just make adjustments easier and more precise.

Tom.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2008, 07:59 AM »
I've had a PRL with a PC7518 for maybe a year and a half now and I like everything about it except one thing. The scale marks on the plate are extremely hard to see (at least for my boogered up vision). White printing on a gold plate makes for very poor contrast. I actually emailed them about it and apparently mine wasn't the first complaint about it that they'd had. I thought they mentioned plans to change the plate color but it's still gold. I think if I were doing it over again I'd get one of the black plate QuickLift models just for that reason. Other than that it's a super lift.

Doug
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Re: router lifts
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2008, 11:37 AM »
A little late to the party, but another thumbs up here for the PlungeLift.  I have a M12V in mine.  The nice thing about the Woodpeck plates is that they're all the same size.  So, if my M12V goes south eventually I can always get a PRL/Quicklift or other fixed plate.  I do have a fixed base plate for my Bosch 1617.  I have had two setups going and just swapped plates, but I haven't done that in a while.  I don't think any of the other brands offer the upgrade path without having to either modify or replace your top.
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Re: router lifts
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2008, 09:10 PM »
I use a jointec digital lift with a PC 7518.  The digital lift makes repeat setiings easy, has no backlash and no need to lock from under the table.  Just crank to your desired setting and it locks when you remove the crank.  I also have an eliminator chuck that makes bit changes simple from above the table with a ball end allen T wrench usually without moving the bit up.  Works nice with sommerfelds matched bits for rail and stile or tongue and groove sets.  You can zero a bit at table height then raise to your desired setting and write the digital reading down and return to that setting anytime without any fuss.  you can even write the digital setting on the shaft for roundover bits and such where the settings are mostly the same.



wayne
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Offline tvgordon

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2008, 06:08 PM »
Well it seems like I can't go wrong with one of the PlungeLifts.  Thanks for your help.

Wayne,
Welcome to the forum.  Digital lift and a PC router is a good set up.  I didn't want to spend that much right now and I wanted to use my PC plunge router.  I've got to save up to buy more Festools  :D(you've got quite an impressive amount yourself)!

Tom.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2008, 06:15 PM »
Router Lift Question
Hopefully this question won't offend anyone. In the interestest of full disclosure, my name is Rich Hummel, I own Woodpeckers. That being said, I'm wondering if any of you feel there is a want for a plunge lift for any of the Festool routers? We're considering one for the new 2200 watt model. Not sure if there would be sufficient demand.

Again, not trying to sell anything, just want to learn.

Thanks.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2008, 06:28 PM »
Hi Rich,

Welcome to the forum.  I don't currently own a Festool router (soon ;)), but I know there have been many discussions about how the Festool routers don't perform well in a table.  My guess is the OF 2200 would be a great choice for table use, especially if it could be removed easily for handheld use also.  That's all I need is another reason to buy a $800 router. :-\

Rich, you would probably be better off starting a new topic to ask your question.  Maybe also go to the dealer section and introduce yourself to those who aren't following this thread.  Many members list your products as their second favorite woodworking tools and I'm sure they would be happy to see you are a member.

Tom.

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« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2008, 07:52 PM »
Thanks Tom,

I am new to the forum and farily new to the festool line as well.  Still have a long wish list!  I did save some money by building my router table but all said it cost more than my shaper.  I wish jointec made there lift for the milwalkee 3.5 hp router that has the external switch and speed control.  I think that would be a little nicer than the PC but I have never used the milwalkee personally.  The jointec is on sale now at rockler for 250.00... Im tempted to start building another setup.


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Re: router lifts
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2008, 11:56 PM »
That being said, I'm wondering if any of you feel there is a want for a plunge lift for any of the Festool routers?

Hi, Rich! My sweety and I are just about to spring for a new router and lift, so this is an apropos question. We're hobbyists, the task for which we need the new in-table router is cutting raised panels and rounding the frames for our new kitchen cabinets (I've currently got an ancient small Craftsman in the table). We've looked at the various Triton models, aren't averse to going Festool, but I think we'll be going with the Porter Cable 7518. The Festool 2200 sounds totally awesome, but nobody's made a good case to me that for in-table use it's worth the premium over the Porter Cable.

Just a data point of one, and worth what you paid for it  ;)

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2008, 08:02 AM »
I use the Bench Dog cast iron table saw extension with the Bench Dog router lift with the Porter Cable 7518, great setup, extra mass of the cast iron negates vibration. Also comes with a decent fence.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2008, 04:14 PM »
Router Lift Question
Hopefully this question won't offend anyone. In the interestest of full disclosure, my name is Rich Hummel, I own Woodpeckers. That being said, I'm wondering if any of you feel there is a want for a plunge lift for any of the Festool routers? We're considering one for the new 2200 watt model. Not sure if there would be sufficient demand.

Again, not trying to sell anything, just want to learn.

Rich,
Welcome to the Festool Owners Group!  I've said many times that, after Festool, Incra products have the most prominent place in my workshop.  So it's great to have you here in the forum, and it would be especially interesting if there could be a direct connection between the Incra and Festool offerings.

Let's see how this develops.

I'm also interested in ways to combine Incra products with the MFT.  We could get a whole other discussion going on that, of course.

Welcome,
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Offline hissatsu

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2008, 04:26 PM »
I recalled this thread when I received an email today from Woodpeckers with coupons ($30 off) for all their router lifts. If anyone hasn't signed up for the e-club emails yet and is interested, I'd do so. They usually send one more email about their sales before the offer ends (July 4th this time).

Pedro

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2008, 05:31 PM »
Pedro,

I received the email too (thanks to all who suggested I join their club).  The plunge lift I want is $30 off.  Now I just have to look at my checkbook and see if I have that much left after paying my property taxes. >:( >:(

Tom.

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« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2008, 10:39 PM »
Thanks Pedro I just signed up.
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Re: router lifts
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2008, 08:20 AM »
Thanks for the feedback on a PlungeLift for the new Festool router. Not sure that we'll do anything with it in the near term. I studied it this week. Integrating may be difficult. I do however want to make an aluminum plate for it but don't own one to derive hole locations from. If any of you would be willing to let us borrow one for that purpose, which will take a couple weeks, we'll return it with a free Cast Aluminum Mounting Plate and (3) TwistLock Rings and Brass Starting Pin. I know, we could also buy one, but dropping $800 is a bit much to get a half dozen hole locations.

FYI, Mathew has been very gracious in welcoming Woodpeckers to FOG. A point of clarification, although we demonstrated Incra Products at 400+ shows from 1991-2004, Woodpeckers has always been an entirely separate company from Incra and have no business ties other than we're an dealer for Incra.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2008, 08:55 AM »
Thanks for the feedback on a PlungeLift for the new Festool router. Not sure that we'll do anything with it in the near term. I studied it this week. Integrating may be difficult. I do however want to make an aluminum plate for it but don't own one to derive hole locations from. If any of you would be willing to let us borrow one for that purpose, which will take a couple weeks, we'll return it with a free Cast Aluminum Mounting Plate and (3) TwistLock Rings and Brass Starting Pin. I know, we could also buy one, but dropping $800 is a bit much to get a half dozen hole locations.

FYI, Mathew has been very gracious in welcoming Woodpeckers to FOG. A point of clarification, although we demonstrated Incra Products at 400+ shows from 1991-2004, Woodpeckers has always been an entirely separate company from Incra and have no business ties other than we're an dealer for Incra.

But he forgot to give you a distinctive color  :)

Thanks for the update on the PlungeLift 2200 idea.


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Re: router lifts
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2008, 08:59 AM »
FYI, Mathew has been very gracious in welcoming Woodpeckers to FOG. A point of clarification, although we demonstrated Incra Products at 400+ shows from 1991-2004, Woodpeckers has always been an entirely separate company from Incra and have no business ties other than we're an dealer for Incra.

Richard,
Thanks for clarifying that.  Back when I first learned about Incra several years ago, I always saw them on the Woodpeckers site, so I sort of joined the two in my mind.  Sorry if I confused Woodpeckers and Incra!  Now I know the real story.

It's great to have you here in the forum.

Please share your ideas about tools and woodworking.  And if you think of creative ways to join Festool and Woodpeckers products, definitely tell us about it!

Stay in touch,
Matthew
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Re: router lifts
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2008, 12:56 PM »
I think I got my Incra stuff from Woodpeckers too. Much better pricing than most places.
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Re: router lifts
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2008, 04:31 PM »
I bought a PlungeLift for my Porter Cable 7539 router and installed it in my router table this past weekend.

So far I like it.  On the PC the plunge lock lever has to be held in place to plunge the router.  So I have to reach under the table to hold the release lever while turning the router lift crank with my other hand to move the bit up and down.  I still like it much better than what I was using. ;D

Tom.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2008, 01:27 PM »
Good Afternoon,
I've been very happy with my PRL for quite some time.  Just received an e-mail this morning from Woodpecker about a new PRL -- what they are calling the VR2.
Looks very interesting.  Here's a link: http://www.woodpeck.com/prlv2.html
Matthew
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Re: router lifts
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2008, 01:40 PM »
Good Afternoon,
I've been very happy with my PRL for quite some time.  Just received an e-mail this morning from Woodpecker about a new PRL -- what they are calling the VR2.
Looks very interesting.  Here's a link: http://www.woodpeck.com/prlv2.html
Matthew

I love mine as well. I looked at the VR2 looks really nice. 

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2008, 07:42 AM »
I appreciate the comments regarding our other router lifts as well as the mention of the newest one, the PRL-V2. If any of you would like to know more about it, how it works, the development process or anything else of value. Please let me know. Thanks a bunch.

Richard Hummel
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Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2008, 08:13 AM »
Richard,
Thanks for coming in this morning.  I think a lot of people would find the new PRL useful.  Ever since I got a PRL in my shop, it has totally changed how I think of my router table.
I should say, sorry I referred to the new product incorrectly in my message above.  It's the "PRL-V2."
Thanks again,
Matthew
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Offline Steve Jones

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #50 on: July 31, 2008, 11:27 AM »
I bought a PlungeLift for my Porter Cable 7539 router and installed it in my router table this past weekend.

So far I like it.  On the PC the plunge lock lever has to be held in place to plunge the router.  So I have to reach under the table to hold the release lever while turning the router lift crank with my other hand to move the bit up and down.  I still like it much better than what I was using. ;D

Tom.


Tom,

I've used a couple of Porter Cable and Bosch routers under a table (all had the issue of the spring loaded lock) on all of them I found I can remove the lock lever (single screw) and remove the spring behind it and replace the lever, this is all the conversion I do for table use.

Then you can unlock the height, make your adjustments from above the table and re-lock it.

I can still use each router freehand or table mounted, just remember to lock the height adjustment before you cut.

Steve Jones

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Offline tvgordon

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2008, 06:59 PM »
Thanks Steve,

So if I remove the spring, I won't have to hold the lever to raise or lower the bit?  That would be a great help, it is awkward to reach under the table to hold the lever while turning the lift  crank with my other hand.  I don't plan on using the router freehand (I have a couple other large routers), so that wouldn't be an issue anyway.

Tom.


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Re: router lifts
« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2008, 08:31 PM »
Tom,

You've got it.

If your planning on dedicating the router for table use and want want to take the mods a little further, you can also remove the lift spring (I think in PC's it's usually 2 springs) The idea is a hand held plunge router has a spring to help support the weight under plunge use, but of course under the table the spring is working against you and effectively doubling the weight.

You'll probably find exact instructions on line for each model, but basically you remove the plunge base (PC stops the router from lifting entirely off the posts with a circlip) and remove the springs. Put it back together and you have a decent conversion to table use.

Steve Jones

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Offline tvgordon

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2008, 02:26 PM »
Steve,

If I remember right, the instructions for the lift said not to remove the plunge springs.  I know of others who have removed them on the Hitachi plunge routers, but I think I'll leave those springs in for now.

Tom.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2008, 09:49 PM »
  I've used a PC 690 in the table for years now and it's got to the point where it sometimes comes loose from the base and I would like to use larger bits.  I was sure glad I have a switch mounted to the table the time the router dropped out of it's base!  Luckily it landed on the shelf on it's top and not it's side. :o

Tom.



Take a carefull look at some of the lifts as they clamp on to the body of the router and you do not use the base. If your PC is still good but just the mechanism holds it in the base is worn the right lift should allow you to keep using it.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2008, 10:06 PM »
Zaphod you are not alone. I do not use a lift either just never had a problem with the way I have been doing things for more then 20 years. The first router table that I used was in the mid 80's and the base was bolted solid under the table, no plate. Now the plate does make things easier. Instead of dumping money on a lift I would rather buy another router and a plate so that I would not have to change bits or the setup at all when making rail and stile doors for example. To me it just seems like a wiser use of money.

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2008, 01:12 AM »
Steve,

If I remember right, the instructions for the lift said not to remove the plunge springs.  I know of others who have removed them on the Hitachi plunge routers, but I think I'll leave those springs in for now.

Tom.


Yes I have done it both ways. Th elogic for removing was to ease the load required to elevate the router with the RouterRaiser. But we found that it did fine. If you do remove them, watch out for the little bronze peg that will fall out. Hellish to get back in. Check out woodshopdemos.com and go to main menu and you will see instructions for adapting Hitachi M12V -- a really nice router for the table.
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Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: router lifts
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2008, 04:13 PM »
Good Afternoon,
I worked for a while without a lift, just like most people here!  But once I started using one, I would never be able to go back.  It's one of those things that just changes the way you work.  There are several good lifts on the market, but after I did my research I decided on the PRL.
Matthew
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Re: router lifts
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2008, 10:49 AM »
Count me in for another vote for the Jointech digital lift.  Works extremely smoothly.  You can adjust it for .001" at a time.  No guesswork.  I built their router cabinet and have their cabinet makers system as well.  Having the digital lift has come in handy when micro adjusting for dovetails.  I currently have the Bosch 1617 mounted permanently and wonder if I should upgrade to the PC 3hp model.  I always have to be careful about not hogging too much off at one time due to the lower HP of the Bosch.
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