joiner1970
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« on: November 15, 2011, 04:46 PM » |
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I posted about these nailers a long long time ago just wanted to see how any owners are getting on with them ?
We have been offered a couple of them to try out by our fixings supplier not sure what ones 15 g or 18 g. Anyone know if Dewalt/paslode 16 g nails will fit in the 15g Senco.
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2011, 04:48 PM » |
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no they wont at a guess as 15g is a different shape as far as i know
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2011, 04:51 PM » |
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Blimey that was fast   Yeah Im guessing they wont either, not sure how easy it is to get 15 g nails here suppose their not that hard to come by. I remember the senco guy on here saying that the 16g version should be out this year but Ive not seen one yet. When we get the ones our fixings rep is sending out I will post back about them here. |
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greenMonster
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2011, 05:05 PM » |
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wish I had waited for the 16ga :/
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2011, 05:42 PM » |
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I'm looking forward to read your findings on the 18g.
I did read someones experience with the fusion nailers on the jlc forums, the poster had a bit of a problem with a safetyfeature, that when the safety is pressed for longer than 3 seconds prior to shooting the gun won't fire.
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2011, 09:52 PM » |
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I have them Both and this week I used the 18 ga a lot. Shot about 300 feet of Oak shoe molding yesterday with out a problem.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2011, 12:22 PM » |
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I read a few reviews that said the head was a bit big for precise nail placement.
Did anyone find that's the case with the 18 gauge?
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2011, 09:04 PM » |
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The 18 ga Brad is great for small shoe, and today i was using it to pin the filler strips in between the spindles on a stair railing. On the Shoe I used nails with a brown head and didn't have to fill many holes if I placed them right.  |
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Ken Nagrod
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2011, 09:13 PM » |
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The 18 ga Brad is great for small shoe, and today i was using it to pin the filler strips in between the spindles on a stair railing. On the Shoe I used nails with a brown head and didn't have to fill many holes if I placed them right. Jamie, Source? |
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2011, 09:19 PM » |
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im not sure, I will look at the box Thursday. I believe they are only 1 inch. Maybe Bostich? I also have PC and Senco nails hmmmm
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2011, 10:21 PM » |
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Yes, Bostitch has them - standard item, brown. Senco also with make you painted fasteners, special order.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2011, 07:57 AM » |
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Yes, Bostitch has them - standard item, brown. Senco also with make you painted fasteners, special order.
Yep I believe they are Bostitch |
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2011, 10:30 AM » |
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Cool, thanks for the info. I guess I'll be getting the 18G when I can. I won't have to worry about fitting my small senco compressor into a systainer anymore  |
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2011, 10:37 AM » |
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I had only seen them online - never in person. But I was at the tool store and had a chance to pick one up. Wow - heavy and unbalanced imo. I thought the Dewalt guns were bad...
I can't live without my pinner anyways, and I love my little Thomas compressor, so I barely even use my Paslode gun...
Maybe if I did production trim work, but I was surprised at the Fusions, I thought they'd really be the ticket - the Paslode gets smelly.
JT
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2011, 07:01 PM » |
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I have the 15ga. I'm still in the 30 day period and I don't think I'm going to keep it.
I got used to the weight and balance quickly, not a problem. I got it zeroed in so I can put a nail just where I want it. No problems for me so far with the size of the head. I love it in routing use, when all is going well.
I have two problems. First is misfires. I'm using Senco nails, 2.5" and 1.75". When it's great it's great. But it looses it's mind periodically and will misfire 3, 4, 5 and up to 10 times before it will shoot a nail. I change out the strip, re- the spring, remove the magazine. It's a big problem. Second is the hammer. It will stick and not retract. This can be caused by a weak battery according to the troubleshooting guide. It happens to me with a newly charged battery. When it happens I have to remove the battery, set the firing option to off and wait a minute or two. Put the battery back on, set to cyclic or bump and it will retract. This has happened several times. Enough times that I know the routine.
The thing is, if I take it back I'll never have a cordless nail gun. I justified it for a specific job and if I take it back I won't be able to force myself to fork over the $400 again.
For $400 it has to be perfect. It ain't.
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2011, 09:28 PM » |
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Sounds like you got a bad one. I don't have any of those problems with either of mine. The only issue I had was the screw would come loose that holds the nail mag to the latch and it would work loose and come apart. Lock tite fixed it.
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2011, 09:53 PM » |
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Buy the Bosch flywheel.
My 15g fusion has already had to get the firing pin replaced. I had to fight with the company for them to fix it.
I wait 2 months and am way excited to get it back. Now the firing modes don't work! It's stuck in the mode that I HATE!
I need to depress and be able to fire at will, now I can't.
Now it's love/hate. Too early to already be in the love/hate dept :-(
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Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2011, 02:01 PM » |
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I got the 18G Fusion and so far it has worked really well. No hickups or hangups, no misfires and no troubles. Apparently they have a lot less moving parts in them than the competition.
I don't like the on/off and firing mode switch. It feels misplaced and a bit flimsy. Balance is ok, but not great.
I don't think it is heavy or too clumsy - considering what it is: a replacement for a compressor driven nail gun, or a gas/battery powered one.
Battery life is great and though you only get one battery with it I can't see why I would need another one. If the battery is run out it charges really fast and if you arrive on site with a depleted battery and just need to fire a dozen nails or so you can charge it 5 min and you are good to go.
At the shop I will use my regular nail gun as I have a silent compressor, but if I need to bust a few caps or if I need to bring it on site I reach for the Senco.
(Time will tell if it holds up well...)
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2011, 02:18 PM » |
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If you register it, they'll send you a battery. I wasn't expecting them to actually send it as they had supposedly discontinued the promo claiming a 2nd battery wasn't necessary (due to the quick charge). Anyhow, I registered online and received a new battery  . Am I going to need it, meh. At least it'll extend the lifetime having 2... |
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2011, 11:24 AM » |
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If you could only have one cordless nail gun which it be from a size standpoint. 15, 16 or 18ga?
I just took the 15ga back yesterday. They are giving me full credit toward an 18ga. or a 16ga. The 15 worked fine but it the holes were too large. Looking at what I plan to do most everythiing will be stain grade.
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2011, 04:17 PM » |
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the 15 on the senco leaves freaking huge hold.
I think vaguely remember something about how the nails penetrates the wood on the senco.
I preferred the 16 on the paslode. The holding difference between the two is supposed to be nominal, but the 15 for sure leaves a much more noticeable hole on the senco than the paslode
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2011, 01:10 AM » |
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The supply house here said that some customers have had to return theirs two or three times.
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2011, 10:15 AM » |
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Well we got two guns delivered this week to try out , opened the box and found they were they old style NOT the Fusion guns, bloody fixings supplier trying it on   I thought they sounded too cheap. These guns are slow and the nails are weird they look like mini clipped head nails I bet they are hard to get and they leave a huge hole. Needless to say they will be going straight back. |
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2011, 02:08 PM » |
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Hey, that's a lousy way to try to rip a customer off... ...and a sure way to lose business long term.
Anyway, I have no experience with the 15GA, only with the 18GA, it does no harm to the material and does a fine job, I can recommend it. It does not lack power and is a good substitute for a compressor driven nail gun. (Which it is, really.) I have enjoyed working with it so far, nice to not have to lug the compressor (even though I have a Sil-Air, silent model).
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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2011, 04:36 AM » |
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Hi all, I thought I would give you all some feedback on some of the points you've raised.... - The 16-gauge Fusion tools will be available in the UK in February 2012. The 15 & 18-gauge tools are already out here. - Nope, you can't put 15-gauge nails in a 16-gauge tool or vice versa. - The non-firing of the tool after 3 seconds is actually a safety feature! It stops the tool firing if you rest it against a body part! Its an attempt to make the tool the safest available on the market. - As regards weight, the tool is actually lighter then the Dewalt tool. - The 16-gauge nail does obviously leave a smaller hole in the timber than the 15-gauge. In the UK we're keeping everyone up to date with things at our Fusion website www.sencofusion.co.uk, so take a look there for the very latest news. And if anyone's got any other questions or comments please post them; it's great to get feedback from the guys actually using the product. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year ! |
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