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Offline Alan m

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Trend fast track sharpening system
« on: September 02, 2012, 06:29 PM »
hi theree
any body used on of these.
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i have a tormek for the majority of my sharpening . i was thinking of having this just for site use where you just want to touch up the edge.
i always seem to ruin the edge a bit when i have no way of touching it up.


thanks alan
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RE: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2012, 06:44 PM »
I got one!  Can't remember where it is. I'll see if I can find it.   But from memory cus it was a while ago!  I thought it was a pile of crap lol

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RE: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2012, 07:41 PM »
Wot He Said!

I'm a Trend Dealer and you'll notice I list all of the Trend Sharpening products (which are great), except the FastTrak!!  If you want a honing jig, get the Veritas one.  I'm also a huge fan of the Sorby ProEdge, knocks spots off the Tormek IMHO  [big grin]
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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 02:16 AM »
I saw it at the d&m show when it was a new product the trend guy that demo;s all the sharpening gear told me his opinion of it...

I dont own one,

Trend dont make much themselves they are quite good at finding products to put their stickers on and I believe the fasttrack is another of these products
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Re: RE: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 02:25 AM »
Wot He Said!

I'm a Trend Dealer and you'll notice I list all of the Trend Sharpening products (which are great), except the FastTrak!!  If you want a honing jig, get the Veritas one.  I'm also a huge fan of the Sorby ProEdge, knocks spots off the Tormek IMHO  [big grin]

Why is the Sorby better than Tormek?  I own the Tormek T-7!  One thing I hate about the Tormek it snapped my lie-Nielsen block plane blade  [mad]  I was not happy!    The jig which holds the blade on the tormek has a hollow where it clamps the blade I must of over tighten it I think cus half way through sharpening I suddenly ended up with tow pieces!

Now I own the verita honing jig good jig apart from you have to tighten it so tight to make sure the blade does not move now that never broke my blade and used it for years.   I don't know why tormek have made a hollow in their clamping jig.

It now scares me every time I put a chisel in the jig I might snap it if Im not carefully.  If it didn't have a hollow where the pressure is applied their would be no risk of snapping anything.

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Offline Alan m

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 02:53 AM »
thanks m8s. doesnt sound good.
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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2012, 08:20 AM »
The Pro-Edge is expensive but it has many benefits over the Tormek.  Mainly it's quicker and will do your primary bevel as well as micro bevels.  They do extremely fine sandpaper (1200 I think) and even a Diamond impregnated belt.  I also like the fact you get a flat bevel instead of a hollow in the middle.  In my normal workflow, a quick touch up on the ProEdge 1200 belt and I'm back to work.  I've never felt the need to hone it.  Perhaps for very tricky grain situations.  In that case I would get out the Veritas Honing Guide and the Trend Diamond plate.

I generally agree with Chris' comments about Trend, however, their Pro Diamond range is a very good product.  The guy who demonstrates it at the shows is the guy who developed the system and worked for either DMT or Norton (DMT I think).  There are a couple of different ways to get the diamonds to bond to the plate surface.  The Trend version is bonded in such a way that the diamonds will not break away, but rather break down, which is what you want.  Their demo videos explain it better than me.
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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2012, 02:17 PM »
thanks m8s. doesnt sound good.


Not sound dude it ain't good!
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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2012, 02:35 PM »
Theres one on the counter of my local Howdens for people to try.. Its fell to bits  [big grin]

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2012, 02:49 PM »
The Pro-Edge is expensive but it has many benefits over the Tormek.  Mainly it's quicker and will do your primary bevel as well as micro bevels.  They do extremely fine sandpaper (1200 I think) and even a Diamond impregnated belt.  I also like the fact you get a flat bevel instead of a hollow in the middle.  In my normal workflow, a quick touch up on the ProEdge 1200 belt and I'm back to work.  I've never felt the need to hone it.  Perhaps for very tricky grain situations.  In that case I would get out the Veritas Honing Guide and the Trend Diamond plate.

I generally agree with Chris' comments about Trend, however, their Pro Diamond range is a very good product.  The guy who demonstrates it at the shows is the guy who developed the system and worked for either DMT or Norton (DMT I think).  There are a couple of different ways to get the diamonds to bond to the plate surface.  The Trend version is bonded in such a way that the diamonds will not break away, but rather break down, which is what you want.  Their demo videos explain it better than me.

The Pro-Edge is expensive but it has many benefits over the Tormek.  Mainly it's quicker and will do your primary bevel as well as micro bevels.  They do extremely fine sandpaper (1200 I think) and even a Diamond impregnated belt.  I also like the fact you get a flat bevel instead of a hollow in the middle.  In my normal workflow, a quick touch up on the ProEdge 1200 belt and I'm back to work.  I've never felt the need to hone it.  Perhaps for very tricky grain situations.  In that case I would get out the Veritas Honing Guide and the Trend Diamond plate.

I generally agree with Chris' comments about Trend, however, their Pro Diamond range is a very good product.  The guy who demonstrates it at the shows is the guy who developed the system and worked for either DMT or Norton (DMT I think).  There are a couple of different ways to get the diamonds to bond to the plate surface.  The Trend version is bonded in such a way that the diamonds will not break away, but rather break down, which is what you want.  Their demo videos explain it better than me.

Yeah I don't like the hollow the tormek creates but the chisels I got Harold & Saxon came hallowed so I assume he used a tormek or something on a wheel  so cus they are high end chisels I thought it must be okay then so I went and bought the tormek-T7

I watched the videos and researched the Sorby ProEdge  One of the videos I could see one of the chisels was burnt while he was sharping it.  Now the harold and Saxons chisels I have are not affected by burning but most other chisels are though.  Also read that der sand paper is on the expensive side but you can't use normal belt sand paper because it's not standard size so i read some people get a different company to make them  for the Sorby as its cheaper! seems abit of hassle to me.

I get razor sharp on the tormek so sharp I can shave my hairs of my arms lol one arm I have no hair left.

I do like the look of the Sorby though.


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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2012, 02:51 PM »
Theres one on the counter of my local Howdens for people to try.. Its fell to bits  [big grin]

John....


.. How has it fallen to bits?   cracked apart?  Cus it's made out of two parts only  and the diamond plates are just attached with a magnet and a little lug.

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Offline Alan m

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2012, 03:12 PM »
can anyone reconmend some thing for touching up an adge on site
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Offline Deansocial

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2012, 03:30 PM »
I use a dmt stone and an old eclipse guide. Had a bit chip the other day and took it out with an anle grinder freehand then used my guide on a course stone then extra fine stone. Need a medium one really.

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2012, 04:09 PM »
can anyone reconmend some thing for touching up an adge on site

A DMT diamond stone ( or Trend but not used a trend one my self so can't comment)  and then get the varitas guide mk2. 

I have course and extra fine double sided DMT  and I have a  extra extra extra fine DMT  says it gives a polish finish but at moment I can see scratches in it but I read it wears down  "wear in period"

So we will see

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Offline j123j

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2012, 04:56 PM »
can anyone reconmend some thing for touching up an adge on site

A leather strop with aluminum oxide paste rubbed on to it. That is if you're really 'touching up' finely.

On site one of these is handy http://www.woodpeck.com/dmtpss.html
Just like the one in your link.
Altough you wont reach waterstone level results its quite good and fast and hassle free.

Offline Alan m

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2012, 05:42 PM »
can anyone reconmend some thing for touching up an adge on site

A leather strop with aluminum oxide paste rubbed on to it. That is if you're really 'touching up' finely.

On site one of these is handy http://www.woodpeck.com/dmtpss.html
Just like the one in your link.
Altough you wont reach waterstone level results its quite good and fast and hassle free.

i use a stop sometimes just to get that final razor edge. it is no good to fix a dull chisel thow.
that link looks just like the trend one.


what is actually wrong with the trend one.
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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2012, 06:40 PM »
can anyone reconmend some thing for touching up an adge on site

A leather strop with aluminum oxide paste rubbed on to it. That is if you're really 'touching up' finely.

On site one of these is handy http://www.woodpeck.com/dmtpss.html
Just like the one in your link.
Altough you wont reach waterstone level results its quite good and fast and hassle free.

i use a stop sometimes just to get that final razor edge. it is no good to fix a dull chisel thow.
that link looks just like the trend one.


what is actually wrong with the trend one.

Not looks it is exactly I've seen it before I have seen a couple others exactly the same.   I think some company makes them and brands like trend just stick their name on it.

One I just don't get a good edge.  It's awkward to use. To hold the chisel and to slide it back and forth.  It has abit of play in the gliding. 

Tell you what dude!  I'll look for mine tomoro night and I'll send it ya you can have it!  Just pay for the post.

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2012, 02:36 AM »
sound jmb. thanks very much
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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2012, 05:33 AM »
In the woodpeckers site they say the jig is made in England...
The one I used did not have play in it and I didnt find it too akward to use.

But I guess you got a good deal!  ;)

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2012, 05:53 AM »
sound jmb. thanks very much



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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2012, 05:27 PM »
Found it Alan!

It is Brand new really cus I only used it once to try it out and didnt like it!  but it doesn't look brand new any more cus I did carry it about for a bit so  it got knocked bout so got scratches on the surface  but its only cosmetic.   Then got left in the shed gathering dust!  Im never going to use it so you might as well have it if you want it still! 

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2012, 05:35 PM »
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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2012, 05:42 PM »
In the woodpeckers site they say the jig is made in England...
The one I used did not have play in it and I didnt find it too akward to use.

But I guess you got a good deal!  ;)

No play?!?!

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Offline Alan m

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2012, 05:49 PM »
thats quite a bit of play.
i will take it jmb. will you work out how much it will cost

thanks m8
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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2012, 05:52 PM »
thats quite a bit of play.
i will take it jmb. will you work out how much it will cost

thanks m8

YEah no probs!

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2012, 07:54 AM »
In the woodpeckers site they say the jig is made in England...
The one I used did not have play in it and I didnt find it too akward to use.

But I guess you got a good deal!  ;)

No play?!?!



Ofc there was some but you need to learn the right technique to use it.
Just putting the blade on there and just jerking the handle wont work.

You need to "control" the jig. You need to apply down- and sideward pressure to keep it in check.
 I dont have one myself, wasnt too impressed and rarely need to sharpen blades outside my workspace.
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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2012, 02:02 PM »
Dont bother with the trend, it certainly isnt fast,

Go for this, the worksharp 2000

http://www.rutlands.co.uk/workshop-&-power-tool-accessories/sharpening-machines-&-jigs/worksharp-sharpening-system/WS2000KNIFEKIT/the-tool-sharpener-with-knife-sharpener



Ive had mine now for 2 years, and every carpenter mate of mine is blown away with how easy it is and how fast.

there are also abrasive dealers in the uk that sell better stick on abrasives and cheaper for it

Offline Alan m

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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2012, 02:21 PM »
thanks chelsea boy. iv got a tormek for really sharpening things . i wanted this just to touch up an edge on site. i want something small i can throw in the box with everything else
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Re: Trend fast track sharpening system
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2012, 02:26 PM »
Sorry Alan I ain't got back to you yet I'll sort it 2moro

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