Author Topic: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools  (Read 3210 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Peter Halle

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 11855
TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« on: January 01, 2019, 09:54 AM »
Searching the Internet - look what I found!

https://www.festoolusa.com/company/news/shaper-acquisition

Peter

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Online six-point socket II

  • Posts: 880
  • aka @the_black_tie_diyer
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2019, 10:00 AM »
I think that's amazing!  [thumbs up] [thumbs up] Thanks for sharing the news Peter! [thanks]

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline jobsworth

  • Posts: 5555
  • Festool Baby.....
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2019, 10:06 AM »
@Peter Halle

Peter is that the CNC machine they had at Connect?

Offline Peter Halle

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 11855
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2019, 10:08 AM »
@Peter Halle

Peter is that the CNC machine they had at Connect?

Yes!

I agree that this is exciting news as well!

Peter

Offline TrackTubesGuy

  • Retailer
  • *
  • Posts: 127
    • TrackTubes.com
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2019, 10:25 AM »
Figured that was coming after seeing Shaper participating at Festool Connect.  Sam (Shaper) is a super nice guy and actually cut me out a template I wanted for slotting my MFT tops.  The Shaper Origin is impressive ... still haven't purchased, but it's definitely on my list.  Hoping the price won't go up (too much) now?

Offline neilc

  • Posts: 2625
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2019, 10:26 AM »
Fantastic.  When I first saw Shaper at Connect and heard Festool was making the spindles for the Origin, I had a strong feeling this would happen.

Congrats to the Shaper team for a great product and best of luck with the new resources brought through Festool and TTS!

Sawstop.  Festool.  Shaper.  Tanos.  Lots of innovation yet to come.

Offline Peter Halle

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 11855
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2019, 10:39 AM »
... @neilc , I can see the whole “bring the tool to the work” synergy accelerating.

Peter

Offline Richard/RMW

  • Posts: 1840
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2019, 10:49 AM »
I'd been wondering if they were business plan targeted being acquired due to the pace of their rollout.

I have one that's seen way too little use, operator induced. When I have used it the results have been very good. Good to know there is backing to continue to grow the platform.

RMW
As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Offline rst

  • Posts: 2156
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2019, 11:11 AM »
Like Richard, I've not used mine much yet...certainly glad that I ordered in the second offering...$1600.00.  I haven't used mine much due to business and family issues, looking forward to more settled times.

Offline PeterJJames13

  • Posts: 83
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2019, 11:28 AM »
Wow I was going to pull the trigger on a shaper origin this week. Knowing that it's going to get great backing from Festool now helps put me at ease. In your collective opinion, should I wait until it's official or just do it this week? This is a "want" and not a "need" for me....

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk


Offline Peter Halle

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 11855
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2019, 11:42 AM »
Wow I was going to pull the trigger on a shaper origin this week. Knowing that it's going to get great backing from Festool now helps put me at ease. In your collective opinion, should I wait until it's official or just do it this week? This is a "want" and not a "need" for me....

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

The parent company of Festool purchased Shaper Tools - not Festool.  It is official.  Besides the news on the Festool USA website there is an official TTS press release out on the internet (found after further searching.)

Offline neilc

  • Posts: 2625
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2019, 01:32 PM »
I think you are safe to purchase. 

I was in on the original purchase group and have had mine for a year in February.  It's a great tool and the company/team are wonderful people.  Very responsive to questions.  Active forum at ShaperTools.com  And the tool keeps getting better with software updates delivered via the cloud. 

I had debated a CNC router for years but did not have the shop space in a basement workshop.  The Shaper has proven to be a good compliment for the work I do - home improvement, woodworking, gifts.  It does not do '3D' but I find it excellent for what it does with 2D work.  Plus no reason it cannot go to a job site for those needing to do work on-site.  That would be difficult with any other CNC.

I would guess this TTS purchase will allow Shaper to expand distribution first and foremost.  Likely speed up availability with more money for inventory, engineering and distribution.  They opened up Canada this past fall and I know they have demand and plans for Europe as the latest software update includes German as an option along with French and English.

As Peter suggested, both companies share the 'take the tool to the work' mindset.  I think this will be a great match longterm with revisions in the hardware as well as software and potentially accessories.


Offline Richard/RMW

  • Posts: 1840
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2019, 06:37 PM »
Agree with @neilc that buying shouldn't be a concern now. Lately I'd had a thought rattling around in my head (noisy place) about whether the tape would be available if they somehow failed to make the next leap to sustainable business-hood. Total mindless chatter but that's just how I roll.

I have been puzzled by their business model. It seemed that the original pre-sales approach allowed them to totally bootstrap themselves to the point of delivering the product. That made sense, why raise investment $$ when guys like me will lend you $1600-$1900 interest-free & unsecured while you work out the kinks. After the initial orders shipped I assumed it was just a matter of refining their production & bulking up inventory before opening up the distribution channel via Rockler, etc. That hasn't happened.

My best guess now is that there will be yet another delay before widespread availability while TTS transitions manufacturing into their own facilities. Total SWAG.

In any case, I don't see how this is bad news for current SO owners. Perhaps they'll even fix the annoying tape delamination issue.

RMW
As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 5800
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2019, 07:37 PM »
Hadn’t heard about the tape delam issue.   [sad]

Offline Luzzy

  • Posts: 110
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2019, 09:44 PM »
When I found out Festool was supplying the spindle last year I decided I would dive in as I was certain they would deliver on the pre orders. Origin is a game changer. I've done several jobs that I would have never been able to accomplish without it. Custom signs, display panels and just last week something for the flagship Lancome space inside Bloomingdale's -  NYC. I'm excited to see the future of Origin with Festool ownership. The crew at Shaper have been phenomenal thus far and I hope they were all retained.

Offline PeterJJames13

  • Posts: 83
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2019, 08:36 AM »
Thanks, all. I'm definitely more at ease with Festool (TTS actually) officially being involved. Understanding the limitations are important for me - such as no 3D carving. I'm not 1/10th the craftsman that @neilc is (AMAZING video by the way), but using the Origin to help create templates and assist in inlay work is where this would provide instant value to me. Now I need to start taking some courses in Fusion. Thanks again, all!

Offline zapdafish

  • Posts: 507
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2019, 08:47 AM »

I found this guy very helpful in learning Fusion

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo29kn3d9ziFUZGZ50VKvWA


Thanks, all. I'm definitely more at ease with Festool (TTS actually) officially being involved. Understanding the limitations are important for me - such as no 3D carving. I'm not 1/10th the craftsman that @neilc is (AMAZING video by the way), but using the Origin to help create templates and assist in inlay work is where this would provide instant value to me. Now I need to start taking some courses in Fusion. Thanks again, all!
CT22, TS55, Kapex, RO150, Domino, RS 2 E

Offline Richard/RMW

  • Posts: 1840
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2019, 08:50 AM »
Hadn’t heard about the tape delam issue.   [sad]

Not a critical failure but annoying, the solution so far has been "don't unroll it too fast" & "stop unrolling when it happens". @ $18 a roll.

On the flip side every update has been great, adding features and improving the UI based on user input. There was one semi-critical bug that prevented some of us from logging into the hub. It popped up 2 updates ago and was resolved in the most recent update. They didn't release the fix until they had a major update ready to go, I thought they perhaps could have sped it up/released separately but who knows. I have to imagine with the added resources the support/development will just get better.

I've been really impressed by the messaging discipline. They are sometimes silent on things but very controlled and consistent when they do communicate or roll out updates.

Like others have stated, I hope the entire staff stays involved in the company going forward. While enjoying their new sportscars, of course.

RMW
As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Offline PeterJJames13

  • Posts: 83
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2019, 09:53 AM »

I found this guy very helpful in learning Fusion

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo29kn3d9ziFUZGZ50VKvWA


Thanks, all. I'm definitely more at ease with Festool (TTS actually) officially being involved. Understanding the limitations are important for me - such as no 3D carving. I'm not 1/10th the craftsman that @neilc is (AMAZING video by the way), but using the Origin to help create templates and assist in inlay work is where this would provide instant value to me. Now I need to start taking some courses in Fusion. Thanks again, all!

Thanks! I bookmarked his page!

Offline mcooley

  • Posts: 237
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2019, 09:20 AM »
So I agree the news makes sense. But what about the eventual cost increase? I don't think if the price of the machine goes north of 3K that will be very encouraging. We all know Festool products just keep getting more expensive. So hopefully the price will remain fixed during the transition and into the next generation. Any thoughts?

One further note what about that $99 shipping? And the warranty? Both need some tweaking.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2019, 09:26 AM by mcooley »

Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 5800
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2019, 09:34 AM »
And here is the official announcement from Shaper.



Shaper is now part of TTS

Happy New Year, everyone! We have some big news to start the year off with a bang… Shaper Tools has been acquired by TTS Tooltechnic Systems. That’s right - we’re merging with the best in the business and joining other amazing TTS group companies including Festool, Sawstop, Tanos, Cleantec and others.

TTS is a third-generation family-owned company based in Wendlingen, Germany, and employs more than 3,000 people around the world. If you’ve been following our story closely, you know we’ve enjoyed a productive and symbiotic relationship with TTS already - TTS currently supplies the SM1 router spindle in every Shaper Origin, and Origin ships in a custom Shaper Systainer from Tanos. The Shaper team will remain headquartered in San Francisco, where we plan to continue doing exactly what we do best: developing entirely new categories of tools that merge human intuition with robotic precision.
 
We couldn’t be more proud and excited to tap into the incredible wealth of knowledge and resources that TTS is able to provide, which will allow us to accelerate our plans for bringing Origin and other exciting Shaper products to a global stage. To all of our earliest customers and fans who have been cheering us on since the beginning: THANK YOU.

You continue to inspire us to build the best tools in the world.

Joe Hebenstreit, CEO
« Last Edit: January 05, 2019, 09:37 AM by Cheese »

Offline PeterJJames13

  • Posts: 83
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2019, 10:03 AM »
So I agree the news makes sense. But what about the eventual cost increase? I don't think if the price of the machine goes north of 3K that will be very encouraging. We all know Festool products just keep getting more expensive. So hopefully the price will remain fixed during the transition and into the next generation. Any thoughts?

One further note what about that $99 shipping? And the warranty? Both need some tweaking.

I agree about the price increase speculation. That's why I pulled the trigger on mine this week (scheduled to ship later this month). Regarding the $99 shipping - that was a tough one to swallow. My guess is they are trying to upgrade customers to "Shaper Pro" by offering more value there - free shipping, fast replacement, instant shipping (no waiting), etc. That wasn't important for me as I'm really not in a rush to receive it. What I did find weird, but welcome, was on my order there was a $100 discount on it. So, basically, it shipped for free for me. Don't ask me how I got it - I couldn't tell you. So I paid $2498. Not as good a deal as others who got in before me. But that's ok. I wasn't ready back then.

Offline TrackTubesGuy

  • Retailer
  • *
  • Posts: 127
    • TrackTubes.com
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2019, 10:16 AM »
I've been on the fence, but just ordered mine.  Sam @ Shaper Tools gave me a free roll of tape at Festool Connect, so I had to buy one ... otherwise the tape would be wasted!  At least that's what I told my wife.

Offline fritter63

  • Retailer
  • *
  • Posts: 1395
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2019, 02:50 PM »
A good friend of mine got his Shaper last year. We decided to do a side by side comparison with my CNC Router Parts Pro 4x2 machine (about a 6K investment), running a 2.2 kW Chinese spindle (.0005 advertised TIR). Pictured below are the results. As you can see from actual measurements, his cuts ended up closer to target than mine, however that is likely due to two factors outside of linear movement control: 1) TIR on the spindle (amplified by the fact that I tend to run long bits for reach) and 2) Bit diameter compensation (you have to set the bit to it's measured diameter rather then advertised to get it accurate.

Overall, I'm impressed. The quality of the cuts is VERY good.

To me, one of the best use cases for this tool in WW is for making dovetails (with a self made vertical table jig). You can say goodbye to that temperamental Leigh jig, or to the more accurate but fixed spacing on other jigs. This one gives you the best of both worlds.


Offline PeterJJames13

  • Posts: 83
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2019, 02:52 PM »
Wow! Talk about timing. I was watching this video as this post came up....


Offline fritter63

  • Retailer
  • *
  • Posts: 1395
Re: TTS Aquires Shaper Tools
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2019, 02:53 PM »
It should be possible to do this with the Shaper as well.