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Roger Savatteri
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2008, 05:32 PM » |
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Tom Bainbridge
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2008, 05:40 PM » |
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Scott W.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2008, 05:52 PM » |
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You definitely got the thread title right, That is cool! Scott W. |
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Per Swenson
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2008, 06:17 PM » |
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Yes that is amazing, in cool factor alone, and I am looking for reasons of why I wouldn't get one. Its a struggle, what with the coming apocalyptic energy crisis, and government mandated carbon footprints, it will fit right in my new Prius pick up. I am really only half kidding here folks. Tell ya what, they better start making a second batch of those babys, 'cause these fellas  are gonna buy up this first run  Per |
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Nespresso
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2008, 07:06 PM » |
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environmental friendly. uses only small amount of carebon based fuel. only gives off co2 & h20 and saw dust.
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patrick anderson
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2008, 08:51 PM » |
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wow.....that would be the dog's for building architectural models
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Roger Savatteri
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2008, 09:01 PM » |
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neilc
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2008, 09:07 PM » |
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I saw John demo it in Chicago about a month back while doing a seminar. And got a chance to play with it. Quite a saw.
You're talking near Kapex pricing based on my conversations with John. No dust collection needed. Snugs right up to the wall. And is light weight to carry.
Definitely the coolest miter box you'll find. For small detail work, I don't know of anything that will come close.
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Michael Kellough
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2008, 09:26 PM » |
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That is sure enough a beautiful thing.
My first encounter with John Economaki was in the early 80's. At that time FWW magazine was fairly young and one of the interesting things happening in the world of WW machinery was the improvement of table saw fences. The Biesemeyer Fence had revolutionized the industry (and was still owned by Biesemeyer) but it had some substantial limitations, chiefly it was heavy and locked only at the front.
I read an article about it (or maybe an add) in which an engineer/fine tool maker named John Economaki had tested a new fence on a n old Walker Turner table saw that had neither of those problems and had amazingly repeatable accuracy. Based on that I bought a Paralock Fence for my Walker Turner and had to agree it was way better than the Biesemeyer on the UniSaw at work.
Fifteen years later I found him on the forum (which is nearly defunct) for the CAD software I use. I'm glad to here about him again and glad his insomnia resulted in such a cool tool.
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Don T
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2008, 09:58 PM » |
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That is high on the cool factor but the price is above the cool factor. Everyone is looking at this for small detail work. How much of that kind of work would you have to do to pay for that.
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tallgrass
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2008, 10:19 PM » |
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yes this is cool, i think over priced but if i hear that this naina i will explode! i know i think it is made here but with my luck it is sitting on top of the basis table i can not get here. i went to the web page and it is all sold out or not available, they will notify when it is..........maybe it is made by festool after all.  |
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John Stevens
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2008, 10:29 PM » |
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That is high on the cool factor but the price is above the cool factor. Everyone is looking at this for small detail work. How much of that kind of work would you have to do to pay for that. Yeah, everything at Bridge City is expensive--if I had to take a guess, I'd say it's because it's a small firm and can't exploit economies of scale. But what do I know about business? Next to nothing. I agree that not many people do that much small detail work...but if that tool works like the video shows, and if setup time was small enough (Incra jigs, digital protractors and angle gauges might help) I might just modify my furniture style (which is nothing to write home about) just to suit the tool. Intricate joinery adds a lot to visual interest, IMO. Also, it's a small, light tool, perfect for a tiny, cluttered workshop like mine. And noise is a big problem because my home is a twin, and the joists go through the stone "party wall." (They don't build them like that any more, thank goodness.) Did I mention that I'm a freak about sawdust? IMO, the tool could benefit from a dust fitting, but there's a lot of room underneath to rig one. The saw blade looks like a disposable Japanese saw. I love my Gyokucho-brand disposable Japanese saw blades. If it takes that brand, so much the better. As great a saw as the Kapex is, I was actually considering getting a Nobex miter saw instead. Now I might fork over the dough for one of these. Very cool. Regards, John |
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2008, 10:42 PM » |
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Made to order for me I do tons of critical small piece work. I will buy that the day it comes out!
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Roger Savatteri
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2008, 11:02 PM » |
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Nick..... maybee we should ask about multiple discounts. ps.when I spoke to Natasha(at Bridge City) she did say that within a couple of days they will have details price/availability up on their website. (with an introductory offer) hmmm, remember those!! Monte |
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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2008, 11:46 PM » |
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They are 1195.00 with a 995.00 introductory rate. First look Nickao |
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2008, 04:30 AM » |
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Nickao
Having seen your work...I think you would be mad not to drop the dime on it. Really simple idea taken to the highest level!
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nickao
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2008, 10:59 AM » |
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Yeah I have to get this thing for sure.
I run all my tools at night and do not really care if the family hears the saws. The kids were born into it. If I do not run my saws they actually wake up! My tools are like a lullaby to them. I never hushed people up when the kids went to bed, I made noise, now they are all so used to it. Luckily, I live where the neighbors can not hear my band saw screaming at 3:00 am.
But for my own head I would love the whoosh and silence of this and of course the accuracy of the cuts!
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2008, 11:56 AM » |
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Its a very nice piece of kit but the price is out of reach for me right now.  |
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2008, 12:04 PM » |
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This will make me money and if it is as fast and precise as I think, it will pay for itself in a few months time, maybe less. I do not think it would be nearly a usefull for your work as it would be for me.
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2008, 12:15 PM » |
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monte,
Thanks for posting about this. I've actually been following the news of this tool for a while, and am glad to see it available for purchase.
It's great that the author you cite has been teaching at the Marc Adams School of Woodworking "for about 187 years now." He must be quite experienced!
But this is just the kind of tool that appeals to me, with a small shop and my dislike for big iron.
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2008, 01:18 PM » |
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It wouldn't be very useful for the shed side of my business but my main business is doing 3d illustrations for architects. I've seriously considered offering physical models as part of my services as I've built quite a few in my time. This saw would be idea for most of that work.
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2008, 02:59 PM » |
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I dislike router-noise myself so when I do joinery I prefer other methods.
This thing is pretty cool.
I build a jig for hand-sawing guitar fingerboards once. It wasn't that
hard to so. I used phenolic blocks on the side to guide the saw, I ground
the teeth to the kerf-width I wanted on a diamond lapping plate.
I could adjust depth of cut because the saw had a steel back and it would
hit the guides when it reached depth.
I don't know about you guys but I think I could cobble up a fun jig
that does a lot of what this BCT machine does for $100 or so. I might
use phenolic for the tables. Woodhaven makes some cool jigs that
follow this style.
The BCT machine looks like it's all anodized aluminum - cool to have that
much heft if you use the thing all day I guess.
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2008, 03:58 PM » |
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UPDATE.....UPDATE.....UPDATE...... O.K. here's an update on the Jointmaster Pro........ I just spoke with Michael from the design team over at Bridge City Toolworks (& taking notes as he spoke) At this time they are planning on going into production sometime this June, once they do.....the production time will be about two months. So availability will probably be sometime in August as things stand now. Sometime in June they will start taking deposits (about $500) on the intro offer. They are not taking any orders at the moment. You can go to their website and sign up for a notification of when that happens. http://www.bridgecitytools.com/Contact+Us/The prices are now up on their website. http://www.bridgecitytools.com/Products/What's+New/Jointmaker+Pro. "The primary material on the Jointmaker Pro is anodized machined aluminum. Acetal and Nylatron are used as bearing and bushing surfaces. The measurements are 16 inches wide and 28 inches deep, the table top stands at 10 inches high." As far as the production fence height itself they are working on that at this very moment ............as well as the accessory package. The saw will include a rip blade and a crosscut blade. hmmm, I think that's it. |
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2008, 04:04 PM » |
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monte,
Hey, this is interesting...I just exchanged e-mails with John Economaki over at Bridge City Tools telling him about the curiosity of our members about the Jointmaker Pro.
First, he praised The FOG for being such an unusually friendly place (thanks to all of you). He also gave me some information to share with the forum.
Let me pull it all together and I'll post a little later.
Matthew
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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2008, 04:13 PM » |
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Matthew,
thank you for the imput, I'm looking forward to the feedback.
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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2008, 04:51 PM » |
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"The primary material on the Jointmaker Pro is anodized machined aluminum. Acetal and Nylatron are used as bearing and bushing surfaces.
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« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2008, 06:49 PM » |
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Hi,
My first post here - sorry it's not exactly about Festool, but I'm taking my time to look around at such a great forum. I'm going to be buying one of these Joint-Maker Pros for sure.
Lots of great information here on this site, it's tough to know where to start.
Anyway I'm goin back to looking around.
Len
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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2008, 06:56 PM » |
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Welcome Len,
Great information and nice people is a hard to beat combination.
Per
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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2008, 07:08 PM » |
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Hi,
My first post here - sorry it's not exactly about Festool, but I'm taking my time to look around at such a great forum. I'm going to be buying one of these Joint-Maker Pros for sure.
Lots of great information here on this site, it's tough to know where to start.
Anyway I'm goin back to looking around.
Len
I'm not sure, but I'm assuming Len got here via a Google search. In only 24 hours the FOG discussion of this tool shows up on the first page of a Google search for "Jointmaker Pro". This is a great example of why the FOG is best left open to all. |
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