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Offline tvgordon

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What else do you buy?
« on: April 06, 2008, 05:46 PM »
Since the intro of the new tools and the price increases, there have been many discussions here about why Festools continue to be worth the extra cost.  This includes quality, how the tools work together, warranty and service as well as simply owning a tool that many haven't heard of and may not be able or willing to spend 2 to 3x what other tools cost.

My question is - what else do you buy that costs more than most of that products competition?  And why - higher quality, owning something most can't afford, etc.?

The only other products I bought (that I can think of) is cookware.  My wife and I have many pieces of All-Clad and Caphalon cookware that costs many times the brands found at department stores (we bought them before you could find them at most departments stores).  We bought them because they are higher quality than the other brands we looked at.

Tom.

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Offline mastercabman

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 06:27 PM »
Since the intro of the new tools and the price increases, there have been many discussions here about why Festools continue to be worth the extra cost.  This includes quality, how the tools work together, warranty and service as well as simply owning a tool that many haven't heard of and may not be able or willing to spend 2 to 3x what other tools cost.

My question is - what else do you buy that costs more than most of that products competition?  And why - higher quality, owning something most can't afford, etc.?

The only other products I bought (that I can think of) is cookware.  My wife and I have many pieces of All-Clad and Caphalon cookware that costs many times the brands found at department stores (we bought them before you could find them at most departments stores).  We bought them because they are higher quality than the other brands we looked at.

Tom.
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Offline Ned

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 06:48 PM »
IBM, now Lenovo, ThinkPad laptops.  Come to think of it, for the same reason I like Festools--they exude quality, thoughtful design in details, dependability.

And yes, I've been looking at Mac laptops for the last fifteen years, and they've been tempting.  The new Mac Air is really tempting.  Macs, though, seem more like Bang and Olufsen than Festool.

Offline Jesse Cloud

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 06:51 PM »
I think the price/value curve is even steeper for hand tools.  I can buy a Lie-Nielsen plane that will work well out of the box and work spectacularly with a little honing.  I know you can take an old Stanley and tune it so it is competitive with the LN, but we are talking hours of work.  In my experience, the new high quality planes stay tuned longer, too and need less ongoing maintenance.  Additionally (unlike Festool - sorry) the LN tools are a joy to look at.  Like Festool, I know that if I no longer need this tool, I can sell it for pretty much what I paid for it.

I still have an open mind on buying Festools.  There are some which are clearly worth the high price - in my case the saw, the 150/3, the CT and the domino.  I'll have to look long and hard to see a similar premium on the three new tools.

Offline poto

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2008, 08:55 PM »
Ferraris?

Offline Eli

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2008, 09:19 PM »
The new Mac Air is really tempting.  Macs, though, seem more like Bang and Olufsen than Festool.

Our two G4 powerbooks have had plenty of bangs in the last year of moving around from place to place. I'm amazed every time they get knocked on the floor and still work. Really tougher than I ever expected. The Air is solid state! No drives to break.
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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2008, 09:23 PM »
Ferraris?


How many do you have now?
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Offline Ned

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2008, 09:24 PM »
The [Mac] Air is solid state! No drives to break.

For 1800 USD, you get an Air with an 80MB hard drive.
For 3100 USD, you get an Air with a 64MB solid-state drive.



Offline Robert Robinson

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2008, 09:25 PM »
Ned, I can't believe you have been looking for fifteen years, and haven't got one yet. That is like being engaged for fifteen years, you start to think it might not happen.
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Offline bruegf

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2008, 09:33 PM »
I made the mistake of paying the premium price of an Apple product once.   Bought the 40G IPOD photo not long after it came out.   What a mistake!!   It died about 2 years later, was quirky the whole time it did work.   Wasn't worth a darn for photos.   To add insult to injury they dropped the price by $100 not longer after I bought it and then discontinued it not all that much later.

On the plus side, the case still looks like a premium piece of gear even though it's now a worthless piece of overpriced junk. 

Fred
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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2008, 09:54 PM »
IBM, now Lenovo, ThinkPad laptops.  Come to think of it, for the same reason I like Festools--they exude quality, thoughtful design in details, dependability.

And yes, I've been looking at Mac laptops for the last fifteen years, and they've been tempting.  The new Mac Air is really tempting.  Macs, though, seem more like Bang and Olufsen than Festool.

This is a poor Apple computer. It is not powerful, limited connections, limited capabilities. It was designed for someone writing on an airplane and not much else. Read the specs carefully or you will be disappointed.

Other than that, I've been using Macs since 1984 and love them. I had a Compaq PC in 1998 for 4 years before it caught fire (literally) and would never go back to PCs. I just got a new 24 inch IMac this year. My last Mac was bought in 2000 and is networked with this Imac but acts as my back up computer.

Offline Ned

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2008, 10:20 PM »
[The Mac Air] is a poor Apple computer. It is not powerful, limited connections, limited capabilities. It was designed for someone writing on an airplane and not much else. Read the specs carefully or you will be disappointed.

I'm kind of sorry I brought up computers, although it was a legitimate response to the question.  At least we haven't fallen into the Mac/Windows discussions...yet.

Rob, One of the reasons I haven't bought a portable Mac yet is that the Thinkpads just keep working.  My current one is my third.  It's been upgraded from 98 to XP, but that's the end of the road for Musette.

I have owned at least 5 Macs, but that ended at the Mac IIci.  The PCs looked like a better horse to ride, financially speaking.  They were ugly, uncomfortable brutes then, but they kept food on the table.

Now to Steve's comment:  Yup, the Air's kind of specialized, but I'm not looking to replace a desktop PC with it.  In fact, it would replace a Palm Tungsten T5 as my constant companion.  Viewed from that angle, the Air is powerful, versatile,...and bulky.   :P

Ned



Offline Steve-CO

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2008, 11:06 PM »
Top shelf booze and good wine along with cooking "stuff" from grilling to indoor cooking.  Tools continue to be the main area of finance drain.

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2008, 11:38 PM »
Gotta go with Starbucks and knives.  :D ;) ;D However, much more spent on Festools.  8) Fred
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Offline Woodenfish

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2008, 11:49 PM »
My question is - what else do you buy that costs more than most of that products competition?  And why - higher quality, owning something most can't afford, etc.

Tom.

Tom, for me it has to be water. That's right, plain ol' tap water!

My local municipality (popular voter opinion by the few who actually chose to vote for this stupid referendum) signed a contract with the Devil to supply Lake Michigan water to our village at 2-3 times the cost than that of  the town right next door. The Devil's name is Illinois American Water Company. The irony is that American Water is an integrated part of RWE AG, a utility company in Essen, Germany. My monthly water bill is so freakin high they ought to mail it to me in a systainer!



Offline SRSemenza

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2008, 12:06 AM »
Hi,

         Well I do most of the cooking in our house. And a kitchen is a lot like a shop when it comes right down to it. So Calphalon Commercial Non stick, and good Chicago Cutlery  knives are the primary tools.   

          About 20 or so years ago I was into high end stereo equipment (still have in use too)  Nakamichi, MacIntosh, Adcom, KEF, etc.

          Also my lawn mower- Grasshopper 725 G2 .

  Basically for the same reasons as Festool- quality, performance, function, longevity.


Seth

               

Offline Don T

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2008, 01:10 AM »
It's cooking tools in our house, we got into Kuhn Rikon cookware a few years ago.  They also make pressure cookers, I think we have every size they make plus the cookware set.  This is very high quality stuff just like Festool.

The other money drain is my wife has gotten into scrapbooking heavily.  It is a never ending money pit.  I think she goes to scrapbook store 5 times a week.

Don
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Offline poto

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2008, 01:30 PM »
Ferraris?


How many do you have now?

When I posted that, I was thinking of things that people (anyone) might buy that's expensive, but considered worth the expense - not things that I personally buy. Besides, I'd be too worried about dinging my Ferarri when a router bit breaks in my garage shop. Better off keeping the tools, and forgetting the Ferrari.

On the other hand, I am presently paying a large amount (read: all my money) to a contractor to re-do our kitchen and bathrooms. I know this guy's expensive, and I could probably have found someone to do the job for half the price. So why am I paying so much? 1) He doesn't advertise - strictly word-of-mouth referrals. 2) He has one crew who he employs full time, pays good wages, workman's comp, etc. 3) He does one job at a time, finishes it, and moves onto the next job - this translates into a month-long job, rather than a 6-month job. 4) Judging by our neighbors (from whom we got his name) we'll be having a lifetime relationship with him, and he really stands by his work. He was over at our neighbor's place last year, and noticed that a cabinet door was warping. Without being asked, he took all the cabinet doors and fixed them - free!

That's worth paying extra $$ for!

Offline Robert Robinson

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2008, 02:50 PM »
poto, that is worth the expense. I am always worried if I hire someone, that they might really screw it up. I can't seem to find a decent contractor.
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Offline tvgordon

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2008, 07:33 PM »
Don,
I didn't know Kuhn Rikon made cookware.  We have a few of their small kitchen tools - good stuff.

Woodenfish,
Water? Really?

Seth,
I remember when Nakamichi equipment was about the best.  Is it still made today?

Fred,
You collect knives or are you talking about good kitchen knives?

Tom.

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2008, 07:47 PM »

Offline tvgordon

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2008, 07:49 PM »
OK John,
Surefire looks like a flashlight, what's so great about it?

Tom.

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2008, 08:09 PM »
          About 20 or so years ago I was into high end stereo equipment (still have in use too)  Nakamichi, MacIntosh, Adcom, KEF, etc.
Seth
             

Could not let this one go by as it appears you have been brainwashed by Apple.  It's "McIntosh"! (I have a ton of it downstairs)  8)
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Offline John Russell

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2008, 08:21 PM »
OK John,
Surefire looks like a flashlight, what's so great about it?

Tom.


Tom: quality, durability, reliability, output, customer service. That is what I find worth paying extra for in these lights. I have a few and the collection is growing!
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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2008, 08:58 PM »
Tom, I collect real knives. ;) Switchblades, OTF, spring assist, hunting knives, old knives, etc.  :D ;) Fred
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Offline Jim Carson

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2008, 09:39 PM »
Like Fred, I collected and traded knives for some time. After some of the prices I've seen for custom folders, Festool seemed like a bargain ;D.
My other indulgence as an amateur naturalist,  Leica and Swarovski optics.
For me it was about getting the quality and performance I need for what I wanted to achieve.
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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2008, 09:46 PM »
Like Fred I collected and traded knives for some time. After some of the prices I've seen for custom folders, Festool seemed like a bargain ;D.
My other indulgence as an amateur naturalist,  Leica and Swarovski optics.

Jim, I will give you the nod on the prices of the custom folders but Leica and Swarovski optics are no walk in the park either.  ;) :D ;D 8) Fred
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Offline turbogeezer

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2008, 10:02 PM »
Interesting that Apple got mentioned. As a long-time Apple user (from 1989, and only on my 3rd computer), what I realized about Festool is that the corporate/design/marketing approach is similar to Apple in this way: It's a system. With Apple, everything's pretty much gonna work anywhere from pretty well to perfectly. They design the hardware, they design the software.

When I went looking to set up a new compact shop, I was looking at a new circ saw, but I wanted to see if I could get by without a table saw. Well, I'd need a guide rail for the saw -- there's a good one made by Veritas in Lee Valley's catalog. Oh -- and LV also has a nifty chop-saw attachment for perfect 90-deg crosscuts with a circ saw. And they also have an adjustable miter guide for same. Let's see... also need adapter plates for the saw and maybe a router to fit 'em to that guide rail.  I want to cut circles, so I'll need a circle-cutting attachment from somebody else - now, which model routers does it actually fit? I don't have room for a table saw, but I'll need a bench. And lotsa clamps.

Well, I was aware of Festool way in the back of my mind all that time. No way - too expensive! But when I added up the circ saw, guide rail, and adapter plates, I was maybe $150 away from a TS55 with a rail and a systainer. And the availability of the fits-everything CT22 addressed the dust-collection issue that I was mentally avoiding. Everything is designed to work together. The April 1 price hike helped me slippery-slope from the TS55 to a total of 6 tools - more if you count the MFS as a tool, rather than an accessory.

At this point I'm waiting on a MFT/3. Projects await. This went a bit off-topic, so I think I'll copy and post some of this to the "how did you start?" thread, as well. 

My shorter answer to the What Else do You Buy question would be:

Computers: Apple
Clothes: LL Bean, Orvis, Willis & Geiger before they folded
Photo: Nikon (plus a totally lovable compact Ricoh GR-D) 
Kitchen: Global knives / Berndes pots & pans
Personal EDC items: Leatherman, Rotring, Fenix flashlight, old-school RPN HP48 or HP11 calculator
Cordless tools: Bosch & Milwaukee
One corded - but non-green - tool: Fein MultiMaster
Radios & speakers: Tivoli Audio; Cambridge Soundworks (The model 12 can kick many species of posterior)
lots of Robertson screws & bolts from McFeelys

and a Safari Trek diesel-powered camper.

- turbogeezer in Alaska

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2008, 10:07 PM »
Turbogeezer, welcome aboard the board.  :D I love seeing users on the board from Alaska. I spent my formative years, 57-70 there though only being one year old when I arrived I don't remember too about that year. We lived in both Fairbanks and Anchorage and having now lived in 10 of our fair states and visited all 50 Alaska is still my favorite. Fred
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Offline JayStPeter

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Re: What else do you buy?
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2008, 11:36 AM »
Beer, Sunglasses and tools are where I really push the high end.  Most other stuff is well researched best-bang-for-the-buck kind of stuff.  Many brands mentioned in this thread fall into that category.  For reference, I would consider that category to be something like Milwaukee or Dewalt for tools but the true high-end is Festool.
Jay St. Peter