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Offline Svar

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Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« on: October 28, 2018, 08:31 PM »
It starts at 9:40 of the video.



Don't see it on WP website.
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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2018, 08:59 PM »
They hinted about this on Instagram a few weeks ago too...

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2018, 09:02 PM »
Posted on YouTube today. She says coming out later this year.

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2018, 02:57 PM »
Thanks for posting this!

I am really excited about the WoodPecker router sled setup.  I had picked up the MFT shelf unit from WoodPecker to convert it into a router sled setup but I might wait now.

April is correct; slabbing is addicting.  A buddy of mine picked up a chain saw mill and I had a paper birch log that I wanted to make into lumber.  Now I am hooked.  Hmmm, almost like festool. ::)

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2018, 05:57 PM »
I do not remember any pre-announcements like this for Woodpecker tools. We could start guessing what the price will be.

I will start the bidding at $300.00 with the possibility to go up if longer rails are an option.

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2018, 06:15 PM »
I think I'll take the "over" on that bet. I think I read that the rails will be expandable.

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2018, 06:18 PM »
From their Facebook page.....

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2018, 06:51 PM »
Frankly, I don't see any need for custom extrusions (other than extorting more money from you  [big grin]).
There is an entire industry of t-slot rails and friction bearings out there. WP is not inventing or improving on anything as far as linear motion is concerned.
They could have limited the jig to router carriage and slides and outsource/standardize the rest. Particularly if this is yet another One Time Tool.
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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2018, 07:39 PM »
Frankly, I don't see any need for custom extrusions (other than extorting more money from you  [big grin]).
There is an entire industry of t-slot rails and friction bearings out there. WP is not inventing or improving on anything as far as linear motion is concerned.
They could have limited the jig to router carriage and slides and outsource/standardize the rest. Particularly if this is yet another One Time Tool.

As with many of the OTTs that are simply based around their extrusions, it'll be a $400+ tool that you can make yourself for around $100-150 if you are so inclined.  Some people will just want to get to slabbin', while others will accept the challenge.
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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2018, 07:50 PM »
Frankly, I don't see any need for custom extrusions (other than extorting more money from you  [big grin]).
There is an entire industry of t-slot rails and friction bearings out there. WP is not inventing or improving on anything as far as linear motion is concerned.
They could have limited the jig to router carriage and slides and outsource/standardize the rest. Particularly if this is yet another One Time Tool.
As with many of the OTTs that are simply based around their extrusions, it'll be a $400+ tool that you can make yourself for around $100-150 if you are so inclined.  Some people will just want to get to slabbin', while others will accept the challenge.
I was thinking they could still sell a full set with some length of 80/20 or Bosch Rexroth or other rail that's been around for some 30 years. If it's entirely OTT, then good luck customizing it (up/down size) few years from now.
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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2018, 08:21 AM »
You can always make your own flattening sled.  Mine is based on one made by Nick Offerman as seen in Fine Woodworking.
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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2018, 09:38 AM »
Definitely a cool jig that looks very well designed. More info will be coming next week, as well as the option to order from us. These will (at least initially) be made-to-order with a lead time. However, they are not a OneTIME Tool. Stay tuned...

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2018, 09:54 AM »
8020 extrusions work for me, tracks are 8' long 1530 series.
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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2018, 04:37 PM »
Yea no matter what you can bet its going to be drastically overpriced if its Woodpeckers.
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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2018, 10:48 PM »
it'll be a $400+ tool that you can make yourself for around $100-150 if you are so inclined.
Yea no matter what you can bet its going to be drastically overpriced if its Woodpeckers.
Well, it's been posted on the website:
https://www.woodpeck.com/woodpeckers-slab-flattening-mill.html
$700 basic kit  [scared]  But it's cool, no doubt.
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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2018, 07:50 AM »
@Shane Holland

Hey Shane can you get some measurements from Woodpecker on this thing. Specifically the height of the rails and then the height under the router carriage from the bottom of the base rail to the bottom of the router plate.
as usual they are a bit lacking in actual dimensions.

Thanks

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2018, 08:56 AM »
Hey Shane can you get some measurements from Woodpecker on this thing. Specifically the height of the rails and then the height under the router carriage from the bottom of the base rail to the bottom of the router plate.

Ron, let me see what I can find for you. @rvieceli

We will have these available for order on our website beginning tomorrow. Woodpeckers has prohibited us from listing them before then.
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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2018, 10:29 AM »
Hey Shane can you get some measurements from Woodpecker on this thing. Specifically the height of the rails and then the height under the router carriage from the bottom of the base rail to the bottom of the router plate.

@rvieceli, here are the answers from Woodpeckers...

1) The height of the V Rails are 2.55 inches high.
2) From the bottom of the base V Rail to the bottom of the router plate, the distance is 4.00 inches
3) If you are looking for the recommended maximum material thickness, that is 3.5”. In the event a customer’s workpiece spans the entire tool, then the material thickness is decreased to 3-7/16 inches.

ETA, partial list of routers that have been verified to be compatible with the router plate.

Porter Cable 7518
Porter Cable 7519
Porter Cable 7539
Porter Cable 890
Festool OF 1400
Festool OF 2200
Triton TRA001
Triton MOF001
Bosch 1617EVS (Fixed base only)
Bosch MRC23EVSK
Milwaukee 5625
Milwaukee 5616
DeWALT 618B3
DeWALT 621
DeWALT 625
Makita RF1101

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2018, 01:14 PM »
Thanks Shane

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2018, 03:31 PM »
it'll be a $400+ tool that you can make yourself for around $100-150 if you are so inclined.
Yea no matter what you can bet its going to be drastically overpriced if its Woodpeckers.
Well, it's been posted on the website:
https://www.woodpeck.com/woodpeckers-slab-flattening-mill.html
$700 basic kit  [scared]  But it's cool, no doubt.

Ouch! When I first saw the Wilkerson video I was impressed by how smooth and effortlessly it moved and was intrigued but not for that price.

For my last couple slabs I cobbled together a size-adjustable jig from (2) each 8' and 4' 1515 80/20 extrusions and some scrap wood. Have been planning to upgrade (un-cobble??) it and add a router plate similar to the WP jig that hangs at the bottom of the cross-extrusions.  I started to rethink it when I saw their jig but given the cost ($900 for the larger model, increasing to $1,000) I'll stick to that plan.

The 80/20 is about $5/LF (32 LF = $160) and a router plate is perhaps $100. I can think of a couple ways to use pins to ride in the slots to reduce friction and the rest of the hardware can be whacked out of some AL shapes. Might be worth putting time into ginning up a set of plans.

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2018, 03:47 PM »
I hear ya.  My cobbled together jig does just fine so far, but I am in the design stage of something better, akin to what many are suggesting via some lengths of 8020 and linear rails & bearings.  I'd venture to say I can do it for probably 1/3 the cost of the WP jig and I feel will be a superior design.

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2018, 03:54 PM »
When I first saw the Wilkerson video I was impressed by how smooth and effortlessly it moved
The key is to have a sliding carriage with router attached to it rather than router itself sliding on its base along the bridge.
In the past I used t-slot extrusion for flattening, but it has always been something thrown together in the last minute, not a well thought jig.

A plate that accepts a hand planner or a belt sander instead of a router would be interesting too. Some of those, such as Festool models, have mounting holes and/or brackets.
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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2018, 05:08 PM »
When I first saw the Wilkerson video I was impressed by how smooth and effortlessly it moved
The key is to have a sliding carriage with router attached to it rather than router itself sliding on its base along the bridge.

Makes sense, I hadn't really thought about it. My jig is the typical router-sliding-on-plywood setup. Thanks.

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2018, 07:09 PM »
When I first saw the Wilkerson video I was impressed by how smooth and effortlessly it moved
The key is to have a sliding carriage with router attached to it rather than router itself sliding on its base along the bridge.

Makes sense, I hadn't really thought about it. My jig is the typical router-sliding-on-plywood setup. Thanks.

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2018, 06:58 AM »
When I first saw the Wilkerson video I was impressed by how smooth and effortlessly it moved
The key is to have a sliding carriage with router attached to it rather than router itself sliding on its base along the bridge.

Makes sense, I hadn't really thought about it. My jig is the typical router-sliding-on-plywood setup. Thanks.

RMW

I used phenolic-covered plywood to make my sled to all but eliminate friction between router and sled.

I'm still @ the scrap plywood stage. My MO is to get along with half measures until I reach my breaking point and then over-engineer to ridiculous proportions...  [doh]

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2018, 07:09 AM »
Richard the Woodpecker offering seems attractive. But the use of only UHMW tape on the sliding surfaces is a less than elegant solution to the friction problems. It works but I I have never been impressed with the longevity of the tape.

In addition the set size of the extrusions make the set not particularly adjustable. If you notice in the Malecki video, he's got the rails sitting on strips of what appears to be MDF to get the height he needs. For a thinner piece you'd need to put a riser under the workpiece. The closer to the bottom of the carriage you can get makes it easier to cut without over extending the bit.

I like the 80/20 linear bearings for the slides, but they are pricey and you'd need eight, four for the router carriage and four for the cross beam carriage.

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2018, 08:24 AM »
For anyone who *is* interested in the Woodpeckers Slab Flattening Mill, you can now order it from us. There's an introductory $100 off both units.

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2018, 03:20 PM »
Richard the Woodpecker offering seems attractive. But the use of only UHMW tape on the sliding surfaces is a less than elegant solution to the friction problems. It works but I I have never been impressed with the longevity of the tape.

In addition the set size of the extrusions make the set not particularly adjustable. If you notice in the Malecki video, he's got the rails sitting on strips of what appears to be MDF to get the height he needs. For a thinner piece you'd need to put a riser under the workpiece. The closer to the bottom of the carriage you can get makes it easier to cut without over extending the bit.

I like the 80/20 linear bearings for the slides, but they are pricey and you'd need eight, four for the router carriage and four for the cross beam carriage.

Ron

Agree it's a great looking setup, and for a frequent user/pro probably worth the cost versus DIY. Its modularity is great. If I needed it often the cost wouldn't be the main driver.

I wasn't thinking of using the 80/20 linear bearings though, they are costly and would be clunky in a circumstance where you need to break it down for storage.

I'm on my 4th slab in the past couple of years and have 3-4 more waiting for inspiration to strike. The most recent one was about 30" by 65" w/ >1/2" to remove and it really exposed the shortcomings to my jig. That may be sufficient to get me to come up with a better DIY system using extrusions I already have.

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2018, 03:26 PM »
I like the 80/20 linear bearings for the slides, but they are pricey and you'd need eight...
Agree, but they are very easy to make. Get aluminum angle, block of UHMW plastic and have at it. For this application no need to wrap them around the extrusion from 3 sides like 80/20 bearings.

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Re: Woodpeckers slab flattening jig
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2018, 03:49 PM »
There was an article in Fine Woodworking by Nick Offerman about flattening slabs. He built a really nice setup to do it with a router.
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