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Offline es07Eric

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CMS in the morning!
« on: June 02, 2014, 08:17 AM »
Early day of image processing and decided to take a breather in the shop…

Most photographers hate lens flare, but I sure do welcome it (when it adds value).  What say you?!  Enjoy!

Cheers,
Eric

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Offline Reiska

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2014, 10:06 AM »
Well, I think its still over exposed and a bit overboard. The light just overpowers the subject.
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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2014, 10:44 AM »
Well, that's just the point.  When you do this type of exposure on purpose, it's meant to invoke a mood, an ethereal feeling perhaps.  It's not the type of picture that you might see in the technical manual.  Rather you might see it in an advertisement to convey the thought:  Ahh, another beautiful morning, there's just nothing better that to walk into a nice dust free shop filled with great tools and just start making awesome stuff!

Very well done

Offline bkharman

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2014, 11:59 AM »
I like it Eric. I don't love it.

I am one who also likes lens flare but in this case I think the subject is completely gone. If you wanted to show the CMS and Festool logo, you got half of it. ;)

It is a "heavenly" pic for sure, but I don't see any subject in there. (Maybe that is the point).

Cheers. Bryan.

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2014, 12:07 PM »
Well, I think its still over exposed and a bit overboard. The light just overpowers the subject.

Reiska,

Which part do you feel is overboard?  The flare or the exposure?  As for the exposure by definition, yes, the overall image is "over exposed" but believe it or not, the subject, in this case, the lens flare and "Festool" decal on the sliding table is under exposed by -1 EV; this was done to exaggerate and emphasize the blown out background.

Imagine how "flat" the image would have looked if I metered for an overall exposure and shot what the meter told me was the correct exposure.  If I did what the camera told me to do, there would be no easy way to tell if the image were shot in the morning or high noon; as the light taken in would be compensated by another aspect of exposure.

When I first started out, I had a very strict policy to always shoot a "correct" exposure, now, I often live outside the exposure triangle.  I also, almost always shoot realtime with the histogram and push that histogram to the very far right.

What is a properly exposed photograph anyway?  - and this is the question we have to ask ourselves when we capture images the way we do.  

If this very same composition were captured (assuming the camera's position was fixed) by 10 different photographers, you would have 20 different outcomes (ok, maybe not 20 but at least 10).

Thank you for your input, feedback, and reply.  It's greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
Eric

Well, that's just the point.  When you do this type of exposure on purpose, it's meant to invoke a mood, an ethereal feeling perhaps.  It's not the type of picture that you might see in the technical manual.  Rather you might see it in an advertisement to convey the thought:  Ahh, another beautiful morning, there's just nothing better that to walk into a nice dust free shop filled with great tools and just start making awesome stuff!

Very well done

teocaf,

Your reply pretty much sums up what I was trying to achieve.  Short of putting a clock in the image, how else is there a way to convey a beautiful morning?!  I quickly wanted to turn off the computer after the quick edit of the above image and go out and run some board through the table…  but then again, I have deadlines!

Thank you for your reply and validation of my composition!

Don't mind Reiska, he shoots landscape  [tongue]

Cheers,
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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2014, 12:17 PM »
I like it Eric. I don't love it.

I am one who also likes lens flare but in this case I think the subject is completely gone. If you wanted to show the CMS and Festool logo, you got half of it. ;)

It is a "heavenly" pic for sure, but I don't see any subject in there. (Maybe that is the point).

Cheers. Bryan.

PS - sorry I didn't reach out while in Reston, it was a very hectic week...  Next time!

Thanks Bryan, no worries on the visit, maybe we can connect next time you're in the area!

There comes a point where the line between an amateur photographer and professional begin to blur.  Here's another example of an image commissioned by a local paper to capture the hustle of D.C.'s Eastern Market; it too lives outside of the exposure triangle but manipulated on a different side:

I have shown this image to friends of mine that have an almost zero understanding of photography (maybe other than a camera phone) that have come back and said: "that's an easy shot" and after explaining them how many exposures I had to take to finally be satisfied with one I would provide, they couldn't believe it!

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Offline bkharman

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2014, 12:58 PM »
I like it Eric. I don't love it.

I am one who also likes lens flare but in this case I think the subject is completely gone. If you wanted to show the CMS and Festool logo, you got half of it. ;)

It is a "heavenly" pic for sure, but I don't see any subject in there. (Maybe that is the point).

Cheers. Bryan.

PS - sorry I didn't reach out while in Reston, it was a very hectic week...  Next time!

Thanks Bryan, no worries on the visit, maybe we can connect next time you're in the area!

There comes a point where the line between an amateur photographer and professional begin to blur.  Here's another example of an image commissioned by a local paper to capture the hustle of D.C.'s Eastern Market; it too lives outside of the exposure triangle but manipulated on a different side:

I have shown this image to friends of mine that have an almost zero understanding of photography (maybe other than a camera phone) that have come back and said: "that's an easy shot" and after explaining them how many exposures I had to take to finally be satisfied with one I would provide, they couldn't believe it!

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That I like a lot!!  I am a sucker for drifting and moving photos...  I have taken a few in my heyday, mostly on long open aperture with low light to get blurs and such.

Thanks for sharing your photos with us.

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2014, 01:08 PM »
I agree with Bkharmon, I like it but it is definitely not on my favorites list. I do think you accomplished what you set out to do.
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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2014, 01:23 PM »
and after explaining them how many exposures I had to take to finally be satisfied with one I would provide, they couldn't believe it!


Many people don't get it when you tell them that for every photo that gets published, perhaps a thousand were shot and rejected, either by the photographer or by the client. 

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2014, 01:49 PM »
Suppress information at the expense of obtaining emotions is normal in life, but increasingly rare in contemporary photography.
For me it's a great morning, even though I myself tonight.

Greetings.


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Offline Kev

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2014, 02:22 PM »
It's an image that makes me want to look away ... though I did catch the focused Festool logo in the initial glance, so that aspect works!

Certainly creates a reaction if that's the objective.

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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2014, 04:06 PM »
Well what I tried to convey in technical terms could be said in plain English as the subject (CMS) is washed away by the sun and it just isn't pleasurable to look at (too bright to look at on my ipad).  I do indeed shoot landscapes mostly and my family so don't mind my hobbyist views.

I did like the street photography sample you posted - ND filter to get long exposures at daytime I presume?
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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2014, 10:58 PM »
I agree with Bkharmon, I like it but it is definitely not on my favorites list. I do think you accomplished what you set out to do.

Thank you!  Happy you still like it and even happier you have a favorites list!  Yes, the goal was to say: "good morning" more than anything!

Suppress information at the expense of obtaining emotions is normal in life, but increasingly rare in contemporary photography.
For me it's a great morning, even though I myself tonight.

Greetings.


 [wink]

Photography styles are always a moving target, you're either creating a new trend, following one, or being passed up for paid gigs!  What is today's "contemporary", you can easily find out by looking at the "filters" on almost all camera phone apps!  Take Instagram for example, 90ish% of the filters are of the "film-esque" style that add grain and push color to the left of magenta!  Yes, it is rare these days, and photographers that shoot from feel are becoming few and far between; most shoot by the book or based on what they've seen somewhere else.

I really like the term "contemporary photography" I might have to borrow that!

and after explaining them how many exposures I had to take to finally be satisfied with one I would provide, they couldn't believe it!


Many people don't get it when you tell them that for every photo that gets published, perhaps a thousand were shot and rejected, either by the photographer or by the client.  



Yes, you are absolutely right!  I just got one of my bodies back from CPS (Canon Professional Services) and it came back with a shutter count of 200K+ actuations, and it was on a 3-ish year old body!  I submit countless images for my photojournalism work and sometimes am disappointed in the amount of effort I put in just for one or two used images!  !

It's an image that makes me want to look away ... though I did catch the focused Festool logo in the initial glance, so that aspect works!

Certainly creates a reaction if that's the objective.

That bad huh?! J/K

In general, photography should evoke emotion, unless it's an instruction manual.  Then again, those send me into fits of frustration mainly the ones that come with German tools!  

Well what I tried to convey in technical terms could be said in plain English as the subject (CMS) is washed away by the sun and it just isn't pleasurable to look at (too bright to look at on my ipad).  I do indeed shoot landscapes mostly and my family so don't mind my hobbyist views.

I did like the street photography sample you posted - ND filter to get long exposures at daytime I presume?

Reiska,

I apologize if I offended you in anyway, my responses are never intended to do that.  The comment about the landscape photography was quickly followed by a "smiley".  The reason for my remark was there doesn't seem to be a lot of creative freedom in landscape…  it either works or it doesn't.  Just in one image here, while the consensus is that it "doesn't work" a general feeling was evoked; whether it was done so by my reply or explanation or someone else's, minds were moved.  I gave my whack at landscape and just couldn't bring myself around to doing it, it was just too flat for my style.  Then again, I'm also not Peter Lik, but that's another story right there…
 
A hobbyist view is extremely important to me as there is very little insight or judgement of the mechanics of an exposure; they simply look at the image and either approve or disapprove.  





I am at a point in my career where little offends me when less than desirable comments are made, I'm extremely comfortable with my results.  This doesn't mean that I still can't learn from others comments, as I learn something from both each and every exposure as well as the comments that follow.  Now, if we were to rewind 3-5 years, and someone told me that my image was over exposed, I'd be curled up in the fetal position in the far corner of a dark room listing my equipment for sale on Craigslist!  LOL!

Thank  you to all that have replied, please don't hesitate to speak your mind, especially in open areas of the forum and most importantly the PHOTOGRAPHY section!   [big grin]

Now, since the general consensus was that this image is too hot (photography slang for over exposed) allow me to redeem myself with this image:

Don't tell me it's too dark!!!   [thanks]

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2014, 11:00 PM »
No that one is perfect in more ways than one.
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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2014, 11:11 PM »
No that one is perfect in more ways than one.

Too funny Don!  Thanks! [thumbs up]
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CMS in the morning!
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2014, 12:26 AM »


Now, since the general consensus was that this image is too hot (photography slang for over exposed) allow me to redeem myself with this image:

Don't tell me it's too dark!!!   [thanks]

(Attachment Link)

I fixed it for you Eric!  ;). No offense here I hope. I am just kidding with the fix, but I am a developer and am running a new version of my phones OS that has some decent image adjusting. I use Aperture and Lightroom but for a phone app it is pretty decent.



Just let me know if you want me to take the adjusted photo down, just a spot of fun.

Cheers. Bryan.

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2014, 07:14 AM »

Now, since the general consensus was that this image is too hot (photography slang for over exposed) allow me to redeem myself with this image:

Don't tell me it's too dark!!!   [thanks]



Now you're cooking, Eric!!!  That evokes mental images of Rachel McLish for me.  Not a bad thing by any estimate. 

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2014, 12:03 PM »
I find that second image both provocative and tasteful at the same time. How did you manage that?
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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2014, 01:08 PM »
Emotional response, I would rather wake up to the girl than the CMS.

Eric, you take great photos.  I won a photo contest when I was younger, but have absolutely no clue about photography.
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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2014, 06:46 PM »
Well, from a purely practical perspective, I never wear big jangly earrings when I'm exercising [blink]

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2014, 08:13 PM »
Well, from a purely practical perspective, I never wear big jangly earrings when I'm exercising [blink]

Kev, you obviously spent WAY too much time looking at that picture to notice that. Are you bored?

 [poke]

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2014, 08:19 PM »
Well, from a purely practical perspective, I never wear big jangly earrings when I'm exercising [blink]


Got to ask, do you wear them when you're "drag racing"? 

 [poke]     [popcorn]

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Re: CMS in the morning!
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2014, 08:27 AM »


Now, since the general consensus was that this image is too hot (photography slang for over exposed) allow me to redeem myself with this image:

Don't tell me it's too dark!!!   [thanks]

(Attachment Link)

I fixed it for you Eric!  ;). No offense here I hope. I am just kidding with the fix, but I am a developer and am running a new version of my phones OS that has some decent image adjusting. I use Aperture and Lightroom but for a phone app it is pretty decent.



Just let me know if you want me to take the adjusted photo down, just a spot of fun.

Cheers. Bryan.

(Quite the looker, this one is!)

No worries Bryan, I'm all for fun and games!  We too use Lightroom, and used Aperture in our infancy; we have the entire Adobe Master collection and use it almost everyday.

What kind of developer are you?  I contract as a programmer in my off-off time when I'm not shooting.  My whole house is controlled by Apple (Audio/Video, HVAC, lighting, etc.)


Now, since the general consensus was that this image is too hot (photography slang for over exposed) allow me to redeem myself with this image:

Don't tell me it's too dark!!!   [thanks]



Now you're cooking, Eric!!!  That evokes mental images of Rachel McLish for me.  Not a bad thing by any estimate. 

 [big grin]

Thanks Willy, and yes, I can most certainly make the connection to Rachel McLish!

I find that second image both provocative and tasteful at the same time. How did you manage that?

Wayne, that's MAGIC!   [tongue]
Emotional response, I would rather wake up to the girl than the CMS.

Eric, you take great photos.  I won a photo contest when I was younger, but have absolutely no clue about photography.

Thank you!  When I was working a "9-5", I too won a photo contest, LOL!   In my early stages of "professional" (and I use "professional" loosely when I describe my early stages) photography, I often used to say: "I was an award winning photographer" referring to my award that I won from work.  I don't dare bring that up anymore, though I am now a legitimate award winning photographer and have awards from recognized associations! 

Well, from a purely practical perspective, I never wear big jangly earrings when I'm exercising [blink]


Well, from a purely practical perspective, I never wear big jangly earrings when I'm exercising [blink]

Kev, you obviously spent WAY too much time looking at that picture to notice that. Are you bored?

 [poke]



Ha!  I didn't even notice the earrings here!  What a great eye, and I sat down behind this set for hours during the edits!

Well, from a purely practical perspective, I never wear big jangly earrings when I'm exercising [blink]


Got to ask, do you wear them when you're "drag racing"? 

 [poke]     [popcorn]



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