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Not long had the Canon EOS 650D http://www.t3.com/news/canon-eos-650d-available-now-in-the-ukNice camera BUT  My dad decided to take the dog for a walk and took the Camera they went for a very long walk pretty much all day on the way back he stopped by a pub and had a few drinks um.... he had a good few drinks! Enough to call me up and ask him to pick them up in the car! When I got him home he got out of the car and DROPPED the camera!  NOOOOOOO!!!! My dad aint bothered crap happens he says! Now I am really paranoid that the camera does not work at its best! I keep thinking the pictures and focus aren't going to be as good as they could be because he dropped it! Now I have checked it all over! The front part of the lens the metal part is slightly off round now but the glass show no signs of crack and it still feels like it runs smooth. Am I best sending the Camera off to have it checked/calibrated?!?! |
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2012, 04:34 PM » |
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I would compare images at 100% size- Try and take similar pictures to the ones you have already taken. BTW, the second picture is not in focus at all, probably using shallow DOF and no actual focus point. If the AF of the lens still operates smoothly and images look good at 100%, should be ok. Since no warranty for accidental damage, there is not much point in sending it in unless you really suspect there is a problem. Is the front ring of the lens damaged?, if so, you may not be able to screw any filters on it. If it's just the front ring, most SLR lenses can have a new one fitted easily, depending on their construction. Nice of Dad to care  Maybe you broke something of his years ago and had the same reaction  You can get special insurance coverage for cameras that covers accidental breakage as well as other perils Chris |
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2012, 04:51 PM » |
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I would compare images at 100% size- Try and take similar pictures to the ones you have already taken. BTW, the second picture is not in focus at all, probably using shallow DOF and no actual focus point. If the AF of the lens still operates smoothly and images look good at 100%, should be ok. Since no warranty for accidental damage, there is not much point in sending it in unless you really suspect there is a problem. Is the front ring of the lens damaged?, if so, you may not be able to screw any filters on it. If it's just the front ring, most SLR lenses can have a new one fitted easily, depending on their construction. Nice of Dad to care Maybe you broke something of his years ago and had the same reaction You can get special insurance coverage for cameras that covers accidental breakage as well as other perils Chris Cheers! I think it might not let me fit a filter on the front looking at the front ring it looks indented slightly ill get a filter off another lens and see if it will fit. Its my Dads Camera thats why he does not care but im the one which recommends which gadgets to buy and look after them and tell him how to us the stuff as he has NO IDEA how to use it. YEah the second picture is out of focus! I am still learning! I was trying to get the birds landing and taking off in mid air I got a few but non of them are perfectly focused I take it the camera needs to be on a tripod as I was using a 300mm lens fully zoomed in and it was hard to keep it steady and try and catch the right moment. JMB |
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2012, 05:26 PM » |
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I can't speak to your camera issue, but that is a good looking friend you have there.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2012, 05:32 PM » |
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I would compare images at 100% size- Try and take similar pictures to the ones you have already taken. BTW, the second picture is not in focus at all, probably using shallow DOF and no actual focus point. If the AF of the lens still operates smoothly and images look good at 100%, should be ok. Since no warranty for accidental damage, there is not much point in sending it in unless you really suspect there is a problem. Is the front ring of the lens damaged?, if so, you may not be able to screw any filters on it. If it's just the front ring, most SLR lenses can have a new one fitted easily, depending on their construction. Nice of Dad to care Maybe you broke something of his years ago and had the same reaction You can get special insurance coverage for cameras that covers accidental breakage as well as other perils Chris Cheers! I think it might not let me fit a filter on the front looking at the front ring it looks indented slightly ill get a filter off another lens and see if it will fit. Its my Dads Camera thats why he does not care but im the one which recommends which gadgets to buy and look after them and tell him how to us the stuff as he has NO IDEA how to use it. YEah the second picture is out of focus! I am still learning! I was trying to get the birds landing and taking off in mid air I got a few but non of them are perfectly focused I take it the camera needs to be on a tripod as I was using a 300mm lens fully zoomed in and it was hard to keep it steady and try and catch the right moment. JMB Yes, at 300 mm you need a very fast shutter speed but it can be done with practice but to get that you need to shoot pretty much wide open depending on light. Good luck |
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2012, 09:21 PM » |
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I can't speak to your camera issue, but that is a good looking friend you have there.
They are the "best" friend indeed!!!!  |
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2012, 04:07 AM » |
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I can't speak to your camera issue, but that is a good looking friend you have there.
They are the "best" friend indeed!!!! You can tell a smart dog ... I wish our labrador had a few more doggie IQ points  |
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2012, 02:51 PM » |
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I can't speak to your camera issue, but that is a good looking friend you have there.
They are the "best" friend indeed!!!! You can tell a smart dog ... I wish our labrador had a few more doggie IQ points I'm waiting for mine to get her first iq point |
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2012, 03:19 PM » |
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Try something like 1/1000s shutter speed and if light permits stop the aperture down to f5.6 or even 8 to get better depth of field. Also since you are shooting at a known distance pre locking focus helps in catching those landing moments.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 04:58 PM » |
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Try something like 1/1000s shutter speed and if light permits stop the aperture down to f5.6 or even 8 to get better depth of field. Also since you are shooting at a known distance pre locking focus helps in catching those landing moments.
thanks for the tip ill give it a try!! Ill upload the ''improved pictures''  JMB |
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2012, 04:54 PM » |
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Help! Researching and trying everything I can possibly think of but NOTHING! I bought Canon EF 20mm which says WIDE viewing angle! Same viewing as HUMAN eyes now I stuck it on the Camera but it has less viewing angle than the lense which came with the Camera AND the other 4 lenses we have. So baiscally it comes no where near Human eye vision. Is their some setting I cant find which need altering?! Its really frustrating. Got this lense which is pretty much useless at the moment. JMB |
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2012, 05:20 PM » |
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Canon EF-S 18-55 (standard lense comes with camera) Canon EF 20mm (new ''WIDE'' lense)  Now I understanrd the smaller number gives your a wider view now but when I ordered it didn't understand it fully just took Canons description as a guide to what the viewing angle was Quote: Dynamic wide angle design By offering a field of view of 94˚, the EF 20mm f/2.8 USM is able to take in the complete field of human vision, and much more. A great lens for the landscape or documentary photographer. Distortion is highly corrected, for a natural perspective when shooting architecture and interiors. You can see the first picture shows more all round than the second picture. I had the camera on a tripod and just changed lenses. JMB
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2012, 05:32 PM » |
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What are the bears on the shelf doing?
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2012, 05:42 PM » |
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What are the bears on the shelf doing?
spooning i think |
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2012, 06:01 PM » |
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.................
So anyways! Well can you tell the first one has alot more in view!
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2012, 06:05 PM » |
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Yea, kinda vertical spooning !
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2012, 06:20 PM » |
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Forget the camera. The bears make me paranoid. Can you separate them for a bit?
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2012, 06:22 PM » |
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dont know jmb. doesnt sound right
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2012, 06:24 PM » |
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JMB:
The 20mm is a beautiful lens but it's kinda wasted on the 650D which is a DX size chip. A fair amount of the "wide angle" that lens can give you is being cut off by the size of the chip. That lens is really designed for a full frame camera like the 5D.
Yes, you are getting close to human vision (35mm) at 32mm but the 18-55 ef-s lens that came with the camera can do that and more.
I think you are way better off with the lens that came with the camera. It's a good lens and it's designed to work with the smaller chip on that camera.
That's my crappy 2cents.
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Our peripheral vision allows pretty much 180 degrees so Canon's statement is somewhat misleading. You would need a fisheye lens to equal our actual field of vision.
Chris
JMB - 35 is not close to human vision. Generally it is accepted that a 50 mm on a full frame or 35 mm on a DX will give approximately the same perspective as the human eye. This is not the same as field of vision.
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2012, 06:35 PM » |
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JMB:
The 20mm is a beautiful lens but it's kinda wasted on the 650D which is a DX size chip. A fair amount of the "wide angle" that lens can give you is being cut off by the size of the chip. That lens is really designed for a full frame camera like the 5D.
Yes, you are getting close to human vision (35mm) at 32mm but the 18-55 ef-s lens that came with the camera can do that and more.
I think you are way better off with the lens that came with the camera. It's a good lens and it's designed to work with the smaller chip on that camera.
That's my crappy 2cents.
Tim
It ain't crappy! Very helpfully! Thank you! It's a lot more help full than them Plonkers getting off on teddy porn. Cheers |
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2012, 06:38 PM » |
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Oy, you started it by posting mucky pictures  |
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2012, 06:39 PM » |
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Our peripheral vision allows pretty much 180 degrees so Canon's statement is somewhat misleading. You would need a fisheye lens to equal our actual field of vision.
Chris
JMB - 35 is not close to human vision. Generally it is accepted that a 50 mm on a full frame or 35 mm on a DX will give approximately the same perspective as the human eye. This is not the same as field of vision.
Thank you! Yes it was misleading as I thought I was getting a lens I could use for taking pictures of my joinery work! I struggle to get everything in sometimes because I can't get far enough away and thought this lens would help me to achieve that from Reading what it was saying about it. Very annoying. Cheers. We'll looks like I gotta send the lens back?  Jmb |
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Yes it was misleading as I thought I was getting a lens I could use for taking pictures of my joinery work! I struggle to get everything in sometimes because I can't get far enough away and thought this lens would help me to achieve that from Reading what it was saying about it. Very annoying.
Get the Canon 10-22 ef-s and a tripod, or keep the 20mm and get the 5D. |
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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2012, 07:26 PM » |
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maybe you could use that feature that allows you to join pics together to get wider shots.
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Our peripheral vision allows pretty much 180 degrees so Canon's statement is somewhat misleading. You would need a fisheye lens to equal our actual field of vision.
Chris
JMB - 35 is not close to human vision. Generally it is accepted that a 50 mm on a full frame or 35 mm on a DX will give approximately the same perspective as the human eye. This is not the same as field of vision.
Thank you! Yes it was misleading as I thought I was getting a lens I could use for taking pictures of my joinery work! I struggle to get everything in sometimes because I can't get far enough away and thought this lens would help me to achieve that from Reading what it was saying about it. Very annoying. Cheers. We'll looks like I gotta send the lens back? Jmb If you check you will see that the 2nd lens is much better than the first in regards to barrel distortion. In the first the hinge line on the door is clearly distorted the second has it as nearly straight as I can see. If you do a blowup of something with both virticel and horizontal lines near the edge of the pic and check I think you will decide the second is a much better lens. |
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Or you can send the 20mm lens to me  How does it handle and focus? Been thinking on getting one for my 5D. Seriously though, your options for a APS-C (DX in Nikon speak, or 1,6x crop factor sensor in general speak, which means that all the millimetre figures on the lenses need to be multiplied by 1.6 (Canon) or 1.5 (Nikon) to get the equivalent 35mm film width of the lens) are limited to the 10-22mm EF-S lens which will give your camera the 35mm film equivalent field of view of 16-35mm. Only fisheye lenses give you (a highly distorted) 180 degree FOV. You can 'undistort' some fisheye lenses with software like DxO, but I would try the EF-S wide zoom first. I've got the 17-40mm zoom for my full frame camera and 99% of the time 17mm is plenty wide. |
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When I first moved into digital photography (Canon 20D back in ‘02), I mistakenly thought EF-S lenses included the zoom range multiplier. 20mm = 20mm instead of having to take 20mm x 1.6 = 32mm. It was a line of lenses dedicated to APS-C crop sensor cameras after all... Over the years I’ve talked to lots of people looking to purchase D-SLRs, and this is still something quite a few of them find confusing. Then you start talking APS-H at 1.3 and Nikon’s APS-C at 1.5 and eyes just glaze over. Now with Four Thirds in the mix it's even more confusing. The 20mm is a beautiful lens but it's kinda wasted on the 650D which is a DX size chip.
I wouldn’t worry about EF lenses being "wasted" on an APS-C camera. In fact, I would say there are several advantages to using EF lenses with APS-C cameras. Heck, the first lens I bought for my 20D was an EF 24-105mm f/4 L. I currently use a 7D (still APS-C) and I don't own a single EF-S lens. Get the Canon 10-22 ef-s and a tripod, or keep the 20mm and get the 5D.
The EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 is one EF-S lens I wouldn’t mind having. At the adjusted 16mm there just isn’t anything else this wide, in Canon’s line at least. The EF 8-15mm f/4 L Fisheye gets you a wider field of view, but as mentioned above you have to use software to remove the distortion. Unfortunately you have to crop some of the image during the process, so you won’t gain much if any width. Now if you don't mind fisheye, the 8-15mm would be great pick. Here's a link to an interesting article on it. Check out the graphic illustrating where the image lands on the various image sensors. Canon Learning Center |
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« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2012, 05:58 PM » |
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Cheers for the info! But im getting a little confused lol!
All I wanted from the Camera was a wide as possible view so when I cant stand far enough back because of room size etc I can still get everything I want in the picture but WITH minimal distortion. As I found out this is not possible with this lens I have correct?! Which lens should I buy to achieve what I want or is the camera just not up to the job?!
Is the lens I got with the camera the only option I have?! unless I go out and spend thousands?! I can get a lens which will do the job and its below 1k I might consider it above 1k I think it would have to be a no no
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I think the EF-S 10-22mm is the lens to get. Here's a link to a review on it. Check out the first picture in the review. He keeps the camera in the same position so you can see the difference between 10mm, 14mm, 17mm, and I think 22mm. Just mouse over the number under the image. The difference between 10mm and 17mm is pretty substantial. http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-S-10-22mm-f-3.5-4.5-USM-Lens-Review.aspxSent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD |
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