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« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2012, 06:56 PM »

I think the EF-S 10-22mm is the lens to get. Here's a link to a review on it. Check out the first picture in the review. He keeps the camera in the same position so you can see the difference between 10mm, 14mm, 17mm, and I think 22mm. Just mouse over the number under the image. The difference between 10mm and 17mm is pretty substantial.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-S-10-22mm-f-3.5-4.5-USM-Lens-Review.aspx




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Umm yeah da looks like a sexy lens!   Might get that one then! 
What about this one though! That is also 10mm  does da still get multiplied  1.6x cus its not a Canon but fits on a Canon?!
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sigma-10-20mm-f4-5-6-EX-HSM/dp/B0007U00X0/ref=sr_1_12?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1342823994&sr=1-12

I prefere the cost of the Sigma lol 


Canon ?!?! Price £683.51

OR

Sigma ?!?! Price £368.50
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« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2012, 07:26 PM »

I think the EF-S 10-22mm is the lens to get. Here's a link to a review on it. Check out the first picture in the review. He keeps the camera in the same position so you can see the difference between 10mm, 14mm, 17mm, and I think 22mm. Just mouse over the number under the image. The difference between 10mm and 17mm is pretty substantial.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-S-10-22mm-f-3.5-4.5-USM-Lens-Review.aspx




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Umm yeah da looks like a sexy lens!   Might get that one then! 
What about this one though! That is also 10mm  does da still get multiplied  1.6x cus its not a Canon but fits on a Canon?!
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sigma-10-20mm-f4-5-6-EX-HSM/dp/B0007U00X0/ref=sr_1_12?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1342823994&sr=1-12

I prefere the cost of the Sigma lol 


Canon ?!?! Price £683.51

OR

Sigma ?!?! Price £368.50

Yes you will get the same lens factor.
The canon is more because it goes to 22mm  and is a faster lense.
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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2012, 08:00 PM »

I think the EF-S 10-22mm is the lens to get. Here's a link to a review on it. Check out the first picture in the review. He keeps the camera in the same position so you can see the difference between 10mm, 14mm, 17mm, and I think 22mm. Just mouse over the number under the image. The difference between 10mm and 17mm is pretty substantial.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-S-10-22mm-f-3.5-4.5-USM-Lens-Review.aspx




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Umm yeah da looks like a sexy lens!   Might get that one then! 
What about this one though! That is also 10mm  does da still get multiplied  1.6x cus its not a Canon but fits on a Canon?!
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sigma-10-20mm-f4-5-6-EX-HSM/dp/B0007U00X0/ref=sr_1_12?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1342823994&sr=1-12

I prefere the cost of the Sigma lol 


Canon ?!?! Price £683.51

OR

Sigma ?!?! Price £368.50

Yes you will get the same lens factor.
The canon is more because it goes to 22mm  and is a faster lense.


It's also more because it's a Canon  Smile
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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2012, 09:00 PM »

I think the EF-S 10-22mm is the lens to get. Here's a link to a review on it. Check out the first picture in the review. He keeps the camera in the same position so you can see the difference between 10mm, 14mm, 17mm, and I think 22mm. Just mouse over the number under the image. The difference between 10mm and 17mm is pretty substantial.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-S-10-22mm-f-3.5-4.5-USM-Lens-Review.aspx




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Umm yeah da looks like a sexy lens!   Might get that one then! 
What about this one though! That is also 10mm  does da still get multiplied  1.6x cus its not a Canon but fits on a Canon?!
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sigma-10-20mm-f4-5-6-EX-HSM/dp/B0007U00X0/ref=sr_1_12?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1342823994&sr=1-12

I prefere the cost of the Sigma lol 


Canon ?!?! Price £683.51

OR

Sigma ?!?! Price £368.50

Yes you will get the same lens factor.
The canon is more because it goes to 22mm  and is a faster lense.


It's also more because it's a Canon  Smile

Yes! I forgot to mention that. Wink
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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2012, 09:35 PM »

I haven't had any hands on with Sigma lenses. I've ofter heard about focus related issues with their lenses; failure to focus properly or the lens continues to hunt for focus. If your not used to the focusing speed and accuracy Canon lenses provide this might not seem as annoying. 

Tamron has a 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5 lens that might be another alternative. It looks like it's around £360.

Here's a link to the conclusion page of a review dpreview did on it.

http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/tamron_10-24_3p5-5p6_n15/4


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« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2012, 03:46 AM »

JMB, any and all lenses that you can attach to your camera will be 'multiplied by 1.6x' regardless of the manufacturer. It is an industry standard to always publish lens width in 35mm film frame equivalent measure since there are a multitude of different sensor sizes on the market and every sensor need it correction multiplier that is supposedly know to the user of a camera i.e. 1.6x for you, 2x for micro four-thirds users, 1x for us full frame shooters, etc.

For a (mostly) distortionless wide angle images your best bet is to go with the Canon EF-S 10-22mm lens. It's focusing speed and accuracy is superb and it's guaranteed to work on all Canon APS-C cameras in the future as well. The little distortions you will have with wide angle lenses can trivially be corrected in Adobe Lightroom, Adobe Photoshop and DxO Optics Pro with their integrated lens distortion correction databases. The distortions will be mostly invisible unless you're looking for them or you have shot geometric straight lines like a piece of furniture or a building with straight walls.

Stay away from fisheye lenses since they will always distort images heavily and even with correction in software you will either have some distortion left or you will need to crop so heavily that you will lose the angle of view benefit from the fisheye lens and could get better results with a normal ultra-wide lens that keeps lines straight from the start. If 16mm isn't enough then you will need to look at full frame cameras with ~14mm ultra-ultrawide lenses or do Panorama Stiching from multiple overlapping shots after the fact.

I got bitten with some old Sigma lenses I have for my film Canon EOS1000F/N that refuse to work on any of my Canon digital bodies (10D, 5D mark II) because Sigma & the lot have reverse engineered the Canon lens control firmware and not licensed it from Canon so aperture control does not work on my current cameras at all on those old lenses.

Sigma makes optically good quality lenses for sure and their price is lower than Canon branded ones, but I would go to a camera shop with your camera body and try the lens out physically i.e.
- go through the different shooting modes (Auto, Av, Tv, M) to make sure that their lens software version supports your camera model and does not result in lock-ups with Err99 like my 10D does
- try focusing close and far alternating between them to get a grasp of the focusing speed and find out does the focus 'search' back and forth or does it work like the Canon ultrasonic (USM) does i.e. it just whirs for a half second and stops spot on. To my understanding both Sigma and Tamron at least have developed their equivalent to USM focusing for some models of their lenses.
- if possible try focusing on dark areas to see how well the lens is able to operate in normal lighting conditions (lot less light than in a shop with fluorescent lighting) though this also measures how sensitive the cameras focusing points are. Usually the centre focusing point is a so called cross-type one and more sensitive than the rest so you will get best results with the centre point focus activated.

My neighbor bought a camera from Simply Electronics for a great price - haven't used them myself and have considered their website a bit dodgy looking, but he got his Nikon underwater point-n-shoot in a couple of weeks without hassles so I guess they are good. Anyone alse got experiences with them?
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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2012, 05:02 AM »

Thank you all for the advice much appreciated

I did think off just getting the cheaper brands mentioned but I know me!   I got the Green blood and going second best is not my thing! 

So Reiska I think you convinced me ill get the EF-S 10-22 I think!   Good Idea to find a shop I can try the lenses!  Now where is a local store which would stock these kinda lenses!

GOOGLE!! lol

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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2012, 07:13 AM »

Oh, and while you're at it have a good look at one of the Canon external hotshoe flashes and a good diffuser for it.

A proper flash that you can bounce off the ceiling/walls and soften with a diffuser will make a world of difference in inside shots and is a must as a fill light when shooting outside in bright daylight to light up the shadows.

For your camera size I would probably look at the new Canon EX320 flash and skip the EX580II that I have - it's large and heavy even on a 5Dm2 much more on a 650D which is half the size. You might get a good deal on the older EX430 if you don't value the video light that is in the 320 unit (though I probably would want to have the continously illuminating video led available in the 320 since your camera is at least 50% ment for video as well as traditional stills.)
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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2012, 07:48 AM »

   I got the Green blood and going second best is not my thing! 



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In that case why didn't you  get Nikon? Smile
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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2012, 08:39 AM »

   I got the Green blood and going second best is not my thing! 



JMB

In that case why didn't you  get Nikon? Smile
Don't go there!,  Don't even think about it! Laughing
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« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2012, 02:40 PM »

   I got the Green blood and going second best is not my thing! 



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In that case why didn't you  get Nikon? Smile

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« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2012, 02:54 PM »

Here are some pictures I have taken with the EF-S 10-22 lens on my Canon Digital Rebel XT. I have to make sure I do not get my feet in the pictures.

Looks good Chris.
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« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2012, 04:22 PM »

WELL!

I went shopping 2 day only did half a days work!     Every shop I went into didn't have any more  Canon EF-s 10-22 lenses in stock they all said they had no idea when they would get more most likely 4 weeks or so or could be next week.   They all said its due to the disaster in Japan and so their is a back log of orders so not many lenses make it to the UK.    One store was shocked I managed to get hold of a Canon 650D as they are rare at the moment hard to get hold of apparently!  A customer said lucky u! Then asked how does it perform I said sound lol! Dead professional!

One shop also sold the Sigma but unlucky (lucky? maybe) for me a custumer who just walked past me as I entered the shop had bought the last sigma!  

Sooo  I found a shop which also didnt have a Canon EF-s  but sold Tamrons  they only had one left of them also!    I checked it out tried it on my camera seems to take picture fine!  I thought the pictures are good enough for me!   Lucky me! The lad working in the shop I knew from Collage doing my apprentice!   He said he would give me staff this count!  So I ended up getting the Tamron


If a shop had the Canon lens in store I would of bought it but at least I have saved my self about £400.

Here are two pictures again using the Standard lens which comes with the Camera  and the Tamron

Standard lens

Tamron Wide lens 10 - 24
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« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2012, 07:48 PM »

Just for fun I downloaded the image and corrected it for lens distortion and removed the key stoning, and the golden cast...not sure it's better. But the wide angle does give you plenty of room to play with the image.
It's a nice room.
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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2012, 04:26 AM »

The distortion correction looks good!  removing the gold i agree not sure it's better if you gone in between the two that might of been alrite.    It's the computer room never gets used unless some one uses the I-mac. 

How did you correct the distortion did you bring in the two top corners and then squared it up again?

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« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2012, 04:50 AM »

Reiska,

I spoke to couple dealers about incompatibility issues  using sigma or tamron lenses you mentioned.

They said they have been in the trade many years and never heard of this problem with legitimate lenses they have sold.  They have heard it has happend to people who have bought of the Internet and ended up with copies-fakes imported thinking they where buying the real thing.  

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« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2012, 05:28 AM »

I bought my old film EOS camera & lenses from the London Camera Exchange shop way before there were any online shops in existance some time in the early nineties (1994 might be close to thruth) Big Grin

But I'm glad you found a lens that works for you and looks easily correctable.
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« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2012, 08:39 AM »

I bought my old film EOS camera & lenses from the London Camera Exchange shop way before there were any online shops in existance some time in the early nineties (1994 might be close to thruth) Big Grin

But I'm glad you found a lens that works for you and looks easily correctable.

See how this lens goes.  It's a new world to me never worked with wide lenses before.   Your help and advice has been helpfull thank you.

Thank you to others who have afford advice.



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« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2012, 08:40 AM »


How did you correct the distortion did you bring in the two top corners and then squared it up again?



There are two ways, I used (PS 5) the keystone tool in the lens filter/correction tool box, usually I use the transform tool.
Here is a link Scott Hargis video that explains how to do this if you have light room 2 or 3 and/or PS 4 or 5.
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