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I am looking for the best value for the dollar. I am open to the idea of buying new because I'd get a warranty and the potential of buying a problem child is zero. What is the difference between a classic and a t-loc systainer?

I am not certain that the Systainer is the difference.

Classic is the older four latch type. T-Loc is the current one latch type. The Classic uses two front latches for the lid. There are two more latches on the rear sides that are used for connecting when stacked along with the tow on the front. T-Loc  one rotating latch does all the latching functions.

 The old and new are compatible though in that a new one can latch on top of an old but not the other way around.

Classic Systainers.






Seth


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Member Projects / Re: Bigger MFT cart
« Last post by scary on Today at 03:14 AM »
Where dud you source the extrusions?
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Member Projects / Re: Bigger MFT cart
« Last post by grobkuschelig on Today at 02:30 AM »
Very nice work!

And what a massive table! [emoji41]
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General Friendly Chat / Re: South Dakota v. Wayfair Inc.
« Last post by DeformedTree on Today at 01:56 AM »

Why would current online software include sales tax process?  Currently online does not collect sales tax.  So why would it already be in the software? 

 States, counties, cities would not hesitate to sue and incarcerate some criminal who did not collect and pay the sales tax on online sales.  I'm guessing authorities will see this as a new way to get government money by going after the crooks who do not follow the new sales tax procedure.

 Last year I bought my Honda mower online for $100+ cheaper than local dealers.  And no sales tax.

Because places online do charge sales tax, Amazon had to start years ago due to physical presence laws. Charging sales tax for stuff online is not new, it's just going to get more unified now as it's not going to be hit or miss as to if a places charges sales tax or not.  Plus if you make software you have to plan for what is coming, and no one making that software would think anything other than "it's just a matter of time, we need to be ready for that day".

States haven't been going after those who didn't pay sales tax, that has been part of the issue.  If your state has sales tax, you need to pay the sales tax. Problem was places were not collecting it which puts you the buyer in the responsibility of paying it to the state yourself which is a PITA and thus no one does it which as was mentioned by someone else makes every day folks criminals.

Unless you live in a state without sales tax, when you buy stuff online you have always been required to pay that sales tax at the end of the year on your state tax filings.  Have you paid your sales tax?  Virtually no one does, even though it's the law.  Now with this in place, people won't have the burden to do it themselves, they can go on with live like they do with everything else you buy.

I didn't say it wasn't easier to go online and check prices on stuff, what I said was not everything online is cheaper.  People have got sucked into the idea that everything online is cheaper thus they just don't check.  Amazon is a classic case of that.  They commonly have stuff being sold at a higher price than other websites and physical local stores.  People just don't pay attention because they become so automated to buying stuff online.  I've bought a lot of stuff for my house rebuild over the years, some stuff gets bought online, and it's never because it's cheaper, it's because I can't get it locally.  If I can get it locally it will be much cheaper.   If you live in a rural/remote area, yes, online prices can get better and better.  But for the majority of the population that lives in or very close to a metropolitan area with lots of stores, online is usually lucky to be a draw on end price.  Now move into a more urban core like Manhattan, things can switch back again to online since retail space is so expensive, online becomes cheaper again for more things.   9.5% of sales of goods being online is a good indicator of the limits of online. 

Plus shipping cost money, this is where Pets.com failed.  Shipping big bags of dogfood isn't cheap.  If something is big or heavy and not expensive, the economics of selling it online don't work.  This is why the core of things sold online has always been and will continue to be stuff that is small/light and or expensive for that size/weight.   Thus books, electronics, camera gear, clothing have been the bulk of the online market from the start.

Just like people have to be reminded there is no such thing as a sale (pure marketing invention), there is no such thing as free shipping (you pay for it even if there isn't a line item for it), and unless you live in a sales tax free state there has never been "no sales tax".
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I am looking for the best value for the dollar. I am open to the idea of buying new because I'd get a warranty and the potential of buying a problem child is zero. What is the difference between a classic and a t-loc systainer?
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Festool How To... / Re: prolonging sanding pad lives
« Last post by Alex on Today at 01:15 AM »
It's a type of foam they use for the pads that is not chemically stable over the long run. Pretty disappointing. Last month my first pad for the RO150 of 10 years old fell apart. I have some cheap sanders that are already 25 years old but those pads are still good.
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General Friendly Chat / Re: Back in game
« Last post by six-point socket II on Today at 01:06 AM »
Great to have you back Phil!

Kind regards,
Oliver
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I wish Festool greatly expanded their 12v line.  Jigsaw, impact driver and planer to name a few of the tools which would complement the CXS and TXS rather well. 
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General Friendly Chat / Re: South Dakota v. Wayfair Inc.
« Last post by RussellS on Today at 12:29 AM »
I would think pretty much any platform someone would use for handling their sales would handle all the sales tax stuff automatically.

Far as stuff being cheaper, that varies a lot. Plenty of stuff is more expensive online.

Why would current online software include sales tax process?  Currently online does not collect sales tax.  So why would it already be in the software?  Do you think the software makers put it in for free ahead of time just in case sales tax was charged?  That is not how the world works.  The new software that will be developed for the thousands of different taxing authorities, will have this feature.  For a mere ten thousand dollars for starters.  Then require a mere three thousand dollars each year for updates.  All to keep the online seller out of prison for not paying sales tax to the various taxing authorities.  States, counties, cities would not hesitate to sue and incarcerate some criminal who did not collect and pay the sales tax on online sales.  I'm guessing authorities will see this as a new way to get government money by going after the crooks who do not follow the new sales tax procedure.

I always find stuff online cheaper.  I can compare hundreds of retailers in minutes.  Locally I can compare two in a few hours.  I have to spend hours to find the price of Festool tools sold by my two local sellers.  Online I can find the prices in minutes from fifty sellers.  Now with Festool everything has the same price.  Last year I bought my Honda mower online for $100+ cheaper than local dealers.  And no sales tax.
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I double checked. The label on the systainer does say 574267. The tool # is 491967. The date of mfg. is 7/06. The label on the tool say Tooltechnic Systems. The systainer contains an edge guide with a micro adjustment dial.


The difference might be that it has a Classic systainer instead of a T-Loc.  Any references to that number for the OF1400 that I can find are quite a few years old. Pretty sure there have been no changes to the router. There could be differences in the included collets, edge guide etc.

I take it you are looking at buying a used one?

Seth
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