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Potentially buying a sailboat on Monday....
« on: December 13, 2015, 08:58 PM »
Catalina 22 Capri

Wish me luck (or condolences are in order for this money pit...).

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Re: Potentially buying a sailboat on Monday....
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2015, 09:02 PM »
Get ready to spend the boat bucks.  A friend of mine has a 40' Morgan and he says a C-note is a boat buck!

Enjoy, I prefer the old terra firma.  Bill

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2015, 09:17 PM »
"The hole in the water" so I heard....

But I gotta say I am hooked on sailing. And a good hobby to combine with wood working (not that I gonna get a wooden sailboat). I'm not suicidal....

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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2015, 10:00 PM »
I was sailing once. 32' footer, it was on Lake Michigan in some very bad weather. I got to learn something about the operation of the boat and sails. All in all we (wife and I) had a blast. Good thing the people we were with knew what they were doing.

The reason we went out in the bad weather is the boat was a time share, it was their night to take it out.

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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2015, 10:06 PM »
Gotta respect the weather...

I am certainly getting obsessed with weather forecasts...

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2015, 10:57 PM »
You'll love it [wink]


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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2015, 12:04 AM »
Gotta respect the weather...

I am certainly getting obsessed with weather forecasts...

I had confidence in the skipper and her mate. She was the Commodore of the sailing club and had been a captain and trainer for years. He is also a captain.

A couple of the pictures from the trip looking southwest towards downtown Chicago. The pictures were taken on August 7th around 7 PM.

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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2015, 01:45 AM »
A friend of mine has a 40' Morgan and he says a C-note is a boat buck!

We rented/leased/hired/stole a 40' Morgan for 3 weeks in the Virgin Islands with a couple of buddies many years ago. What a blast.

Decided to graduate from sailing on 30' plus boats on the great lakes to something larger on the ocean. Did that for a number of years but as Malte suggests, ya gotta respect the weather. A big storm on a 30' boat on the great lakes is nothing...repeat that nothing...compared to a very small storm on a 40' boat on the ocean. I've never seen that many green faces in my life before.  [eek]

Interestingly enough, what got me interested in sailing was when I offered to help a friend of mine restore a 23' all wooden Scandanavian sailboat with a single cylinder, 10 hp diesel engine. We sanded everything down with a couple of my nasty vibrating Milwaukee sanders (this was almost 40 years ago) and then applied multiple coats of spar varnish. Wish I had Festool sanders back then...

Malte, one last word of advice if needed...if feeling squeemish always stare at the horizon and don't go below decks!

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2015, 10:15 PM »
Here is a picture from the listing:



Contract is executed. Next is survey.

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Re: Potentially buying a sailboat on Monday....
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2015, 09:11 AM »
Nice looking boat!

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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2015, 09:34 AM »
Yeah, I love her already....

New name is going to be an interesting family contest...

How about "Heinrich der Loewe"... based on where I grew up in Germany....

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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2015, 11:06 AM »
That name should get a few heads to turn. [big grin]

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2015, 03:42 PM »
That name should get a few heads to turn. [big grin]

Especially if I do in old font style.....


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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2015, 04:02 PM »
Aren't you superstitious about changing the name?  [eek]  [tongue]

I spent years sailing the San Francisco Bay. One of my friends still has a Catalina sailboat. His is a wet ride when pushing it, since it is without a dodger. Get a drysuit or at least good foul weather gear.

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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2015, 04:05 PM »
Not really. That makes it our boat. The current name sounds like an atomic particle.... Not going to get stuck with that....

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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2015, 07:38 PM »
A big storm on a 30' boat on the great lakes is nothing...repeat that nothing...compared to a very small storm on a 40' boat on the ocean.

@Cheese
Sorry dude, but I must disagree with you on this.  While that may be true on other inland lakes, the Great Lakes, in particular, Lake Michigan, is the exception.  Storms there develop so quickly and with such ferocity that it's best to treat that body of water like it's offshore.  There are a number of reasons for this, but if you look at the evidence, you can see the results.  Particularly around Death's Door by Green Bay where if you look at a nautical chart you see many shipwrecks.  There is a well documented story from 1970 when Ted Turner showed up for the Chicago Mackinac race in his 12 meter American Eagle to do a tuneup for the America's Cup.  Before the race, the famous "Mouth of the South" declared Lake Michigan as "nothing but a mill pond".  One of the ferocious storms turned up that year taking out or hobbling many of the competitors and he had to publicly retract his statement--pretty rare for him.
In 1995 during the Chicago Mackinac Race I witnessed one of these fierce storms firsthand.  I was foredeck on a fairly fast Soverel 30 (which had won its class in a previous year).  Not too long into the race, a storm developed extremely quickly and wiped out our reefed mainsail.  I was clearing the jib off the deck while facing backwards and a wave hit me so hard in the back that it felt like a ton of bricks--luckily I was tethered in but it still knocked the breath out of me.  Not long after we had to retire and motor back to Chicago.  One of the 70 footers which was a record holder in previous years, actually got dismasted.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1995-07-17/sports/9507170175_1_small-jib-sails-intense-storm

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Congratulations on the Catalina.  I chartered one on Puget Sound to take my sister and her friends out for the day and found it very user friendly.  In racing circles too, there are so many of those out there, you can easily find friendly sailors to give you advice about them.  They're also the most fun crowd to hang out with back at the bar...

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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2015, 12:28 AM »
@teocaf
All I can go by is my life's experiences and that's the source of my post, that's not to say I'm right or to say I'm wrong, just my exposure to the reality of the moment. I've never sailed on lake Michigan but have sailed for years on lake Superior. Hey man...it's close and it's in the hood... [thumbs up]

However, having sailed for many years in the Virgin Islands, and with the same group of people that I've sailed with on Superior, I can unequivically state that when the ocean swelled up in the BVI on a 40' Morgan it was total panic The same people that were white in complexion on Superior in a 32" Endeavor, suddenly turned Festool green on the 40' Morgan. And the only thing the Morgan had going for it at the time was 2 bathrooms.   [eek]

And with 8 people aboard, 2 bathrooms were not enough. Thank God for the open ocean...

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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2015, 01:32 AM »
If you look at the orientation of Lake Michigan, you can see that if you get a strong norther, the fetch (distance over which the wind travels over the open water) is more than twice that of Lake Superior when the storm winds travel from north to south. Even though in area, Lake Superior is bigger, the layout of Lake Michigan allows for much greater waves to develop.  There are other factors as well, but all I'm saying is that Lake Michigan is notorious for massive sudden storms that rival some of those found offshore.  Which does not always make for a bad sailboat ride, as you can surf down 15 foot regular rollers in 50 knot winds.  Whereas if you get confused seas from winds half as strong but is switching direction constantly and you're falling off each wave because you can't predict the wave sets--that requires some serious dramamine.  There's also a difference if you're cruising and you're caught in the occasional storm, but have options sometimes to sit others out, versus racing where you battle the weather and the other boats and you don't have the luxury of getting out of nature's way in a multi day race.  All you can do then is make the best of it and start a contest rating each others' projectile vomit on distance, frequency, texture, color, etc...ahhh, the memories...

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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2015, 07:26 AM »
When I studied geography in school lakes the size of Lake Michigan etc or the Lake Bodensee in Germany were considered ocean like body of waters due to their size.

In fact you need a special license to sail on the Lake Bodensee due to extraordinary gust potential from the Alps at the south side of the lake that can wipe the smile of your face in a heart beat.....

I appreciate both of you sharing your past sailing experiences!

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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2015, 08:16 AM »
Survey looking good. Expect to close early January.... Already spending boat bucks on stuff...

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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2015, 11:21 AM »
@Cheese
Cheeseman, i did not mean to denigrate your experience on the water--I hope it did not come across that way.  What your stories indicate to me is that you're a sane and reasonable sportsman who is not foolish enough, like some of us, to risk life and limb to get caught in the middle of one of the Great Lakes chasing after some worthless tin cup that you have to give back the next year...

By sheer happenstance, a buddy of mine forwarded me this link yesterday for anyone who's also interested in Great Lakes lore:


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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2015, 01:31 PM »
I love the stories of storms on the high seas and lakes.  But I love good old terra firma even more.
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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2015, 02:36 PM »
@teocaf
I had no problem at all with your post. Experiences are only relative to the individual receiving the experience and everyone has an opinion, many times I have several. [eek] There are no right or wrong opinions as long as they are honestly held ones and don't have some other hidden agenda attached to them.

To be honest, I am a very poor swimmer and to swim for 100 yards would certainly tax my capabilities whether it was a life or death situation or not. So sailing for me was a large obstacle to overcome, be it on Superior or in the BVI.

Upon reflecting on my Superior adventures, the type of sailing is different because you sail from port to port rather than from island to island as in the BVI. Thus, at any given time you're closer to a large land mass when sailing on Superior as opposed to the BVI where you are literally in the middle of the ocean when you're between islands. I think that is the reason that the squalls I've experienced on Superior are less terrifying than the squalls in the BVI.

However, as you noted, Superior was able to put to rest the 728' ore boat SS Edmund Fitzgerald, so a 40' Morgan wouldn't be much of a challenge for her.

I'm with Tinker though...I like terra firma best.

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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2015, 02:49 PM »
Maybe I should have been a little more concerned than I was about the weather, we did spend most of the evening listed. Glad I didn't know any better.

It was a fun evening, I got to run some of the sails and learned a little bit about the boats.

I avoided boats for 25 years after my first time on a boat at the age of 18-------it was a thrilling experience.

Tom

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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2015, 04:03 PM »
Well I can't wait to get out on Long Island Sound next year.....

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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2015, 10:38 PM »
Maybe I should have been a little more concerned than I was about the weather, we did spend most of the evening listed. Glad I didn't know any better.
Tom

Well Tom, ignorance is bliss and that's the way it should be...if we were aware of all of the problems that we could encounter when we raised our hands in class, there'd be a lot fewer hands raised and that would diminish the experience or the continual search for the experience...that's ultimately a dead end.

Sailing on gentle seas, with good friends and some nice wine is a godsend and an experience that I will continue to pursue until my Kapex spits sparks through it's ventilation slots and at which time I'll order...another bottle of wine or the local rum if I happen to be in the BVI.

 


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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2015, 11:25 PM »
Maybe I should have been a little more concerned than I was about the weather, we did spend most of the evening listed. Glad I didn't know any better.
Tom

Well Tom, ignorance is bliss and that's the way it should be...if we were aware of all of the problems that we could encounter when we raised our hands in class, there'd be a lot fewer hands raised and that would diminish the experience or the continual search for the experience...that's ultimately a dead end.


I'm a "throw caution" to the wind type of guy, if it breaks oh well fix it. Our daughter in law worries about the 2 year old grandson around me, she knows I'm not kidding when I say to Owen (the grand miscreant)-"I've got power tools lets go make something."

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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2015, 11:56 PM »
Tom, that's cool, you're preparing the next generation for the world that will unfold around them. The torch has been passed and that's what's important.

My grandfather was an accountant and thus, it's obvious he wasn't a person that used or even endorsed using tools, however when I was maybe 9 or 10 years old, he gave me a Handy Andy tool set that started me on the path to house destruction and renewal and the bug has been with me for the last ???? years. The only item he removed from the tool chest was a chisel.

Now, here's the old FOGey part of me coming out, in our current politically correct society, in today's terms, the only item my grandfather would be allowed to turn over to me would be an EMPTY tool chest because all of the other items would be considered dangereous.  [sad] [crying] [sad] [crying] [mad]



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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2015, 12:48 AM »
Tom, that's cool, you're preparing the next generation for the world that will unfold around them. The torch has been passed and that's what's important.

My grandfather was an accountant and thus, it's obvious he wasn't a person that used or even endorsed using tools, however when I was maybe 9 or 10 years old, he gave me a Handy Andy tool set that started me on the path to house destruction and renewal and the bug has been with me for the last ???? years. The only item he removed from the tool chest was a chisel.

Now, here's the old FOGey part of me coming out, in our current politically correct society, in today's terms, the only item my grandfather would be allowed to turn over to me would be an EMPTY tool chest because all of the other items would be considered dangereous.  [sad] [crying] [sad] [crying] [mad]

I told my kids, "there's the tools, if you cut a finger off we'll discuss what went wrong, hopefully you won't do it again".

Our son at the age of 9 took apart our new Packard Bell computer. Good thing he could put it back together, I had no clue how to. Lead him on the path to his current career. For the longest time he had no interest in doing any "home" work on his own, he's now looking forward to doing some things to his new home.

Our daughters are very good at doing things on their homes, they had to learn to use tools also.

Tom

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« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2015, 04:44 AM »
Tom, that's cool, you're preparing the next generation for the world that will unfold around them. The torch has been passed and that's what's important.

My grandfather was an accountant and thus, it's obvious he wasn't a person that used or even endorsed using tools, however when I was maybe 9 or 10 years old, he gave me a Handy Andy tool set that started me on the path to house destruction and renewal and the bug has been with me for the last ???? years. The only item he removed from the tool chest was a chisel.

Now, here's the old FOGey part of me coming out, in our current politically correct society, in today's terms, the only item my grandfather would be allowed to turn over to me would be an EMPTY tool chest because all of the other items would be considered dangereous.  [sad] [crying] [sad] [crying] [mad]

I told my kids, "there's the tools, if you cut a finger off we'll discuss what went wrong, hopefully you won't do it again".

Our son at the age of 9 took apart our new Packard Bell computer. Good thing he could put it back together, I had no clue how to. Lead him on the path to his current career. For the longest time he had no interest in doing any "home" work on his own, he's now looking forward to doing some things to his new home.

Our daughters are very good at doing things on their homes, they had to learn to use tools also.

Tom
 

As I have mentioned in previous threads, I heartily approve on kids learning how to use tools at very young ages. I approve of both replies above.  Our own son grew up on my backhoes >>> almost as soon as he could walk.  Our daughter was just as interested in my work as my son, but in different ways.  Son's excavating business is thriving and now includes over a dozen employees.  Daughter is in real estate and does her own staging.  She has received several awards.  I never chased either one from any of my jobs, but I did teach.  There were strict rules that had to be followed, but they were always told the why of any rule.  Our grandson has been around tools and machinery since very early and i have seen first hand that some of what i taught my son has been passed down the line.  Maybe if more kids were taught, and experienced, the safe uses of tools and machines, there would be less delinquency. 
Tinker
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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2016, 04:48 PM »
The boat is mine.... Yeah...! Call me Captain...! Long Island Sound here I come...

Now for the new name....?

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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2016, 05:03 PM »
The boat is mine.... Yeah...! Call me Captain...! Long Island Sound here I come...

Now for the new name....?
Congratulations

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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2016, 05:22 PM »
Knotty Girl ?

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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2016, 05:29 PM »
Enjoy the sailing - and the maintenance.

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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2016, 05:47 PM »
Enjoy the sailing - and the maintenance.

Already spent a few boat bucks and I am all geared up for maintenance tasks....Always be ready and prepared...

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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2016, 05:50 PM »
The boat is mine.... Yeah...! Call me Captain...! Long Island Sound here I come...

Now for the new name....?

Congrats on the new boat!  Suggestions for the name:

Draining my Wallet
Sinking bank account
She's expensive
Can you loan me some money
Road to broke
For sale
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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2016, 05:59 PM »
Malte,
I cast my vote for "Heinrich der Loewe". In the correct font naturliche. [big grin]


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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2016, 05:28 AM »
Enjoy the sailing - and the maintenance.

Already spent a few boat bucks and I am all geared up for maintenance tasks....Always be ready and prepared...

You'll find Festool equipment invaluable for the maintenance, especially the RO150 sander - great for anti-foul removal and for topside polishing.
Enjoy your sailing - I am sailing again from March, really looking forward to it!

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« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2016, 02:19 PM »

Already spent a few boat bucks and I am all geared up for maintenance tasks....Always be ready and prepared...
You bought a suction cup, a scraper, and scuba gear?

In the San Francisco Bay, the gunk on the bottom of the boat acquires quickly. Vis is craptastic, and bottom cleaning is a lot of physical work.


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« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2016, 07:30 PM »

The boat is mine.... Yeah...! Call me Captain...! Long Island Sound here I come...

Now for the new name....?

How about...

Something more expensive than Festool

Cheers. Bryan.
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« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2016, 08:08 PM »

How about...

Something more expensive than Festool

Cheers. Bryan.

Well they are equally expensive and one addiction feeds of the other... I now see a Shinex in the future....

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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2016, 10:44 PM »


How about...

Something more expensive than Festool

Cheers. Bryan.

Well they are equally expensive and one addiction feeds of the other... I now see a Shinex in the future....

I am looking at Hammer and Felder equipment... Festool is a gateway drug indeed!!

Cheers. Bryan.
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« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2016, 12:53 PM »
Has anyone experience with a Shinex and polishing GelCoat/Fiberglass?

What kind of polishing compound to use?

Gonna bring my Capri 22 down from the winter spot to where I live on 3/18 and am planning on doing a lot maintenance stuff myself including polishing/buffing.

Alternatives to a Shinex...?

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« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2016, 02:31 PM »
Alternatives...Flex 3401 or the 21mm Rupes polisher. The former has a shorter 8mm throw but a forced rotation a la Rotex. The later doesn't but has a 21mm throw instead. My familiarity is in car polishing (not boats).  There I prefer the Rupes because it's smoother and handles a little better. I don't need the torque that the Flex provides. With the boat the Flex might be a better choice.

Congrats on the boat!
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