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Offline Untidy Shop

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A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« on: September 07, 2016, 09:17 AM »
Festool Aust. Shared this on their Facebook Page today. It is not getting good comments regarding style and taste, mine included. I can see the skill involved though. What's your view?




« Last Edit: September 07, 2016, 09:22 AM by Untidy Shop »
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Offline Cochese

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2016, 09:24 AM »
I think one or the other would have been fantastic, but the combination is a bit too much.

Strong opinions in the woodworking world can be detrimental. There is another forum that I quit because people were way too caustic about styles of woodworking and tool brands. I might have agreed with them for the most part, but it didn't do anything to attract beginning woodworkers. The internet has made it exceedingly easy to say very damaging things, even when a name and a face are attached like Facebook.

I'd say that no matter one's opinion on something, it's always a good reminder that someone else may have spent a lot of time, money, or effort into something that you may trash. Disagree agreeably.

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2016, 09:34 AM »
Some details of what I don't like:
* The irregular lines of the grain conflict with the cut lines of the flooring.  One of the delights of live edge pieces is that the edge of the grain takes your eyes where the grain wants to go.  This design teases you with that idea, but then cuts the grain off, and worse, bashes the grain of multiple boards into each other.
* Same conflict with the straight lines of the treads against the board grain running down the stairs, but not as egregious. In fact, following the grain down the stairs is an interesting eye puzzle.  The centering of the plank grain on the treads is off a little, but that's just a detail.
* The post style is out of sync with the grain of the floor - controlled and finely detailed post versus wild nature plank.
* There is a color clash between the "normal" woodwork (yellowish) and the planks (reddish).

That said, someone who is really good with tools and wood had a lot of fun.  I've certainly had my share of ideas that did not come off quite as I expected.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2016, 09:45 AM by HarveyWildes »

Offline NL-mikkla

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2016, 09:44 AM »
It's skilled work allright, not my style but that doesnt matter, it's skilled work.


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Offline Big G

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2016, 09:53 AM »
It is called "trompe l'oeil", very popular in southern France and across Southern Europe.
We use this guy for creating the impossible when the real McCoy is not possible, check him out, truly amazing to watch.

http://www.atelier-nadai.com/epages/d81ea464-1173-11e3-8135-000d609a287c.sf/fr_FR/?ObjectPath=/Shops/d81ea464-1173-11e3-8135-000d609a287c/Categories/Galerie/Decors_de_bois_et_de_marbres

Offline Cheese

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2016, 10:00 AM »
Sometimes less = more, I think this is that sometime.

That poor newel post looks like an alien being in this landscape.

Offline bobfog

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2016, 10:04 AM »
I don't actually mind it that much. The newel post and handrail style jarring with the rest of it actually bothers me more than the flooring/stairs themselves!

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2016, 12:08 PM »
It is called "trompe l'oeil", very popular in southern France and across Southern Europe.
We use this guy for creating the impossible when the real McCoy is not possible, check him out, truly amazing to watch.

http://www.atelier-nadai.com/epages/d81ea464-1173-11e3-8135-000d609a287c.sf/fr_FR/?ObjectPath=/Shops/d81ea464-1173-11e3-8135-000d609a287c/Categories/Galerie/Decors_de_bois_et_de_marbres

I was assuming that the floor was real wood.  I thought trompe l'oeil was faux wood grain - I saw a lot of doors in Paris done in that style the last time I was there.  I had to look really closely before I realized that they were painted rather than real wood.

Offline Wooden Skye

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2016, 12:37 PM »
I like it going up the stairs, but think the post and handrail should be wrought iron or something.  I don't care for them together.
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Offline Kev

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2016, 12:44 PM »
If it was a design forum I would bag it for a lack of cohesion between the various elements. There's obviously some skill in the execution. I tend to side with @bobfog

Offline Tinker

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2016, 12:51 PM »
I think the whole design is a study in contrasts.  There is nothing in sight that really matches up with anything else.
Everything is sort of a little "off topic".  Should that be familiar?  ::)
Tinker
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Offline teocaf

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2016, 01:48 PM »
I don't believe it's trompe l'oeil.  Hard to be sure from just one picture, but there are some visual clues that lead me to believe that someone cut slabs into veneers and set them all in.  Probably thick veneers--I don't think they would do a thin veneer because of the foot traffic.
To my eye, the easiest "fix" at this stage is to paint absolutely everything a cream white except for the stripe leading up to the stairs and up it.  Then it would actually look 'killer'.

Offline grbmds

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2016, 02:43 PM »
The feedback given is one of the reasons I generally don't post pictures furniture or other I've made on forums or anywhere, for that matter. The work seems creative to me and well done, especially the stairs. Whether the actual design appeals to me isn't the question for me. Rather, my interest is in the technique, methods, and tools used to make it (probably very basic tools). I find I don't need the satisfaction of others telling me it is good (if it is) so I really just get my satisfaction and reward from designing, milling, cutting, carving, assembly, and finishing (hate finishing) of the piece. If I can learn a new technique from someone else's work, it really doesn't matter to me whether his/her final result was something that appeals to me.
Randy

Offline Jesse Cloud

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2016, 03:25 PM »
Apart from taste, I get a little dizzy just looking at it.   [huh] [blink]

Wouldn't want to climb those stairs late at night after a couple glasses of wine. [eek]

Agree, though, that the workmanship is impressive, whether its veneer or tromp d'oeil.

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?! Update
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2016, 05:32 AM »
Well actually I like this latest work featured on the Festool Aust Facebook page. For details see -
https://www.facebook.com/festoolaustralia

And more work from GoNaturalTimbers at -
https://www.facebook.com/gonaturaltimbers/posts/977494049043053




Camphor laurel is a declared weed in Australia. Good to see it going to better use than just cut and burn't.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamomum_camphora
« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 05:47 AM by Untidy Shop »
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Offline Sparktrician

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2016, 07:43 AM »
Sometimes less = more, I think this is that sometime.

That poor newel post looks like an alien being in this landscape.

I'm with Cheesie on this one. 

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Offline roblg3

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2016, 09:12 AM »
I'm not doing that to my house. If you're paying, I'll do it to yours  [wink]
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Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?! Update
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2016, 10:36 AM »
[quote
Camphor laurel is a declared weed in Australia. Good to see it going to better use than just cut and burn't.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamomum_camphora
[/quote]

Now that is an awesome table.

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2016, 03:08 PM »
Hi!

personally I go with: De gustibus non est disputandum. (There's no accounting for taste.)

And you will never find me bashing work of others, that obviously took skills way beyond what I'm personally capable of on Facebook - why would/should I? I imagine someone is pretty happy right now with a pretty unique staircase and another someone is probably pretty happy with what he/she/they accomplished - and rightfully so!

Since we are on a discussion forum, I will say this:

In my eyes the handrail, pole, visible door and skirting don't fit the overall design/color approach. They look like foreign objects in this setting. But, from such a small picture/crop it's hard to tell how this looks and integrates into the rest of the house and of course how it looks in real life.

As long as the customer (I simply assume this was a paid job?!) is happy that is all that matters.

Original, cool work that took quite some skills and I couldn't reproduce it - so it would get the thumbs up from me, no matter of my personal taste.

Kind regards,
Oliver


Offline Lbob131

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2016, 02:32 PM »
All  that wood  on the floor would have looked better   on the table.

Offline bdiemer

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2016, 03:15 PM »
If you walked into that house and the outside was a log house, it would look stunning. In this case it doesn't appear to match it's surrounding. Maybe a moose head or bear rug would cheer things up.

Offline Holmz

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2016, 04:51 AM »
If you walked into that house and the outside was a log house, it would look stunning. In this case it doesn't appear to match it's surrounding. Maybe a moose head or bear rug would cheer things up.

Not for the moose...


I appreciate bobfogs comments. I sort of like it, and some wrought iron would have been a bit nicer.
In a way it reminded me of the tour through Maloof's house in Cucamunga (SoCal)...
It was almost too much.
I can appreciate the artist quality of a hinge done out of wood, but in a Bauhaus sense, a metal hinge makes more sense to me.

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!/Bauhaus
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2016, 08:38 AM »
Well @Holmz  you did bring up Bauhaus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauhaus_Archive
https://www.klassik-stiftung.de/en/institutions/museums/bauhaus-museum-in-weimar/



 . . .  And thank you for some reminders of my childhood Television viewing.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2016, 08:41 AM by Untidy Shop »
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“The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you. There isn't any other test. If the machine produces tranquility it's right. If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed.”
― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2016, 07:47 AM »
If you don't like Signatures, just go to Look and Layout and tick No Signatures.

“The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you. There isn't any other test. If the machine produces tranquility it's right. If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed.”
― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values

Offline Cheese

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2016, 11:36 AM »

Offline WastedP

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2016, 09:14 PM »
Based on my experience, diagonal wood siding screams "1970's".  I would automatically assume that building has popcorn ceilings.

Offline Cheese

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2016, 11:13 PM »
Based on my experience, diagonal wood siding screams "1970's".  I would automatically assume that building has popcorn ceilings.

Or a disco ball attached to that popcorn ceiling. [popcorn] [popcorn]

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« Last Edit: October 06, 2016, 11:23 PM by Cheese »

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2016, 11:18 PM »
The feedback given is one of the reasons I generally don't post pictures furniture or other I've made on forums or anywhere, for that matter. The work seems creative to me and well done, especially the stairs. Whether the actual design appeals to me isn't the question for me. Rather, my interest is in the technique, methods, and tools used to make it (probably very basic tools). I find I don't need the satisfaction of others telling me it is good (if it is) so I really just get my satisfaction and reward from designing, milling, cutting, carving, assembly, and finishing (hate finishing) of the piece. If I can learn a new technique from someone else's work, it really doesn't matter to me whether his/her final result was something that appeals to me.

You are so right.
The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.

Offline Paul G

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Re: A matter of taste/whose taste?!
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2016, 01:07 AM »
If the owner likes it who cares what I think. Now if the owner tries to sell it then the opinions of others starts to matter.
+1

Offline Untidy Shop

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« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 09:22 PM by Untidy Shop »
If you don't like Signatures, just go to Look and Layout and tick No Signatures.

“The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you. There isn't any other test. If the machine produces tranquility it's right. If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed.”
― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values