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Offline Brent Taylor

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Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« on: November 26, 2014, 12:01 AM »
Does anyone live near the coastline and what do you use to keep rust at bay? I have lost some of my tooling to rust, one older router and a couple of hand tools and router bits. Do you use sprays or silica packets or what. I come from the Great Lakes area and now live on the Gulf of Mexico. Thanks in advance, B

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Offline gippy

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2014, 05:14 AM »
I live in Bangkok where the humidity eats anything metal not protected. I spray everything with a light coat of camellia oil at the end of the day and wipe it off before using again. It works well for me. I tried large silica packets inside a tool cabinet but unless you are keeping things in an airtight box they only last a week or so.

Offline Kev

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2014, 07:34 AM »
Popular topic of late ....

read this:

http://www.carbatec.com.au/Protecting-Your-Assets
« Last Edit: November 26, 2014, 09:44 AM by Kev »

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2014, 07:37 AM »
Island on the Jersey shore & Boy Howdy, do I get rust. Mostly surface rust due to condensation, it is a never ending problem. I have  not come across any single solution.

For some Starrett tools I purchased corrosion prevention paper and wrap the tools when they are in storage. For my bench tools/cast iron I use Boeshield Rust Free to clean them and T-9 to keep them from rusting again, this has been working great.

I recently started hitting my router collet nuts and stainless posts with the T-9, but I'm careful with the Rust Free as it tends to discolor metal. I used it to clean my chisels and they ended up looking kinda milky. I applied the T-9, let it sit for a day or so and then remove the excess. So far the rust has not returned to the chisels.

Good luck and welcome to the battle.

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Offline RobBob

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2014, 03:39 PM »
Believe it or not, this works great for large cast iron surfaces.   Keeps oxygen from getting to the cast iron. Nothing to wipe off or reapply.  Easy to cut with scissors.  Not so good for dry erase markers.

ToolMAG 24" X 36" Dry Erase Magnetic Surface Protector
« Last Edit: November 26, 2014, 08:43 PM by RLJ-Atl »

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2014, 06:38 PM »
The article you linked to mentioned G15 Corrosion Inhibitor, which I wasn't familiar with.  How does that compare to Boeshield T-9?
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Offline Kev

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2014, 08:39 PM »
The article you linked to mentioned G15 Corrosion Inhibitor, which I wasn't familiar with.  How does that compare to Boeshield T-9?

G15 is more purpose specific ... long term rust prevention. Boeshield T-9 (to my understanding) is a multipurpose inhibitor, lube, etc.

If you want a can of useful "stuff", Boeshield T-9 would fit the bill. G15 is all about just preventing rust.

Offline dframe

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2016, 09:35 PM »
Brand newbie, first post.  Does anyone know if G15 (mentioned above) is safe for the electrical innards of tools?  I had a brief discussion with Festool support RE corrosion prevention, and they didn't have a lot to say other than avoiding moisture and perhaps a hermetically sealed containers.  I asked about Boeshield, which was concerning to the guy I was "speaking" with as to it's effects on brushes and armatures.  I sort of expected more specific recommendations from the crafty engineers at Festool.

For the time being I purchased a VCI (Vapor Corrosion Inhibitor) bag that would fit a bike, which ought to be OK for the Kapex.  I can haul the rest inside and just paint the trim to match Festool green, I guess. 

Offline Brent Taylor

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2016, 04:32 AM »
Welcome drame. In my case, most of the electrical and electronic components that are non replaceable are incapacitated,  so I haven't had any problems with the amount of over spray of rust inhibitors that I have used over the years,  and I'm talking about 40 of them. I have used electronic and electric cleaning and dressing sprays,  mostly on my Impulse guns and repair/maintenance work on my tools ( all brands of them ). When it comes to maintaining the inner workings of my tools,  I use a brush and either a vac or compressed air to remove solid ( drywall dust, wood dust and the like) and liquid ( rain, urine and mud ) and if there is any grease that is in need of replacing I doe so with the recommended product.  Hope it helps answer your questions.
I also have found a way to help with the rust problems,  I moved an hour inland,  seems to work great on the tools.  Still get a bit of the rain,  but less of the salt, of course with a tropical storm coming in this weekend we will see.

Offline Roseland

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2016, 07:22 AM »
I live about 300 metres from the sea in Cornwall, UK.  Regular stainless steel, such as 314, on door furniture corrodes over time with the airborne salt.

On my tools I use Camellia Oil, from Axminster:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/camellia-oil-pump-spray-bottle-510018

It seems to work well enough.

Andrew
« Last Edit: August 26, 2016, 08:58 AM by Roseland »
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Offline bdiemer

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2016, 08:21 AM »
Camellia oil is the real deal and it works great. For my hand planes only I've switched to jojoba oil , because it is actually a wax and puts a nice glide on their bottoms. Thanks for the post. it reminds me I need more camellia. Speaking only for hand tools only.                          Barry

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2016, 08:58 AM »
Does anyone know if G15 (mentioned above) is safe for the electrical innards of tools?

Nothing is safe for the electric innards. Avoid any contamination at all costs. Use rust prevention only on metal parts outside the casing, as well as lubricants.

Offline leakyroof

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2016, 01:03 AM »
I live about 300 metres from the sea in Cornwall, UK.  Regular stainless steel, such as 314, on door furniture corrodes over time with the airborne salt.

On my tools I use Camellia Oil, from Axminster:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/camellia-oil-pump-spray-bottle-510018

It seems to work well enough.

Andrew
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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2016, 02:09 AM »
I live about 300 metres from the sea in Cornwall, UK.  Regular stainless steel, such as 314, on door furniture corrodes over time with the airborne salt.

The 302, 303 & 304 grades of stainless are all members of the general 18/8 stainless steel family. They are all suitable for outdoor exposure and will function extremely well in most cases, until they are introduced to salt exposure. In an oceanside environment, only a 316/316L stainless, or equivalent, will be suitable for exposure to the elements. 316 is considered to be a marine grade stainless because it contains less iron and more nickel than the 18/8 variants. However, it is the molybdenum blended in that really makes a difference. The nice thing is that there is only a 10-20% premium for 316 fasteners vs 304 fasteners for a 3-4 times improvement in corrosion/rust resistance.

Offline Roseland

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2016, 02:45 AM »
I agree entirely about the stainless steel grades.

But buying door furniture - letterboxes, door pulls etc - in 316 is pretty much impossible.

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Offline dodong

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2016, 03:22 AM »
living on the Philippine coast with its high humidity has its own peculiarities rustwise.

i put vci tabs inside of my systainers and change them 6 monthly.
tools that get only used sporadically get stored inside a vci bag on top of that.

seems to keep the rust at bay.

(before the vci tabs it was a nightmare - domino and of1400 guides would flashrust overnight... - now a light oiling every once so often and no more issues)

Offline leakyroof

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2016, 01:01 PM »
I agree entirely about the stainless steel grades.

But buying door furniture - letterboxes, door pulls etc - in 316 is pretty much impossible.

Andrew
. Also totally true. Unless you're spec'ing something custom from a Sheetmetal Fabricator, T 316 isn't on a showroom floor...
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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2017, 09:01 PM »
A bump to ask three questions:

I am soon to take possession of a Bench Dog cast iron router table top. I have always relied on Johnson's Paste Wax which is still available. With so much surface, however, I expect I will need an anti-rust product.


What's best for cleaning off the shipping grease applied to cast iron table tops?

Anyone using Frog Lube paste instead of Boeshield-T-9

Anyone using paste wax over a anti-rust product to improve surface slide?

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Offline kevinculle

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2017, 09:19 PM »
There is a fairly wide variety of 316 SS cabinet hardware made for the marine market...not cheap but it is out there.

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2017, 09:52 PM »
Clark- have you looked at the covers zerust sells they have one for a table saw and other rust preventative products.

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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2017, 10:49 PM »
I've tried Frog on my duty weapons but stopped using it. Try balistol. Nasty odor to it but I cleaned my Sawstop after I had it in storage in a metal shipping container for three months after we bought our new home. I use that and Boeshield near the sea coast in New Hampshire. I also use Jajoba oil on all of my handplanes and chisels.
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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2017, 05:51 AM »
I use Butchers Wax Boston Polish which has worked well for me for over 15 years.
I also am careful to remove any accumulation of swarf or sawdust from CI surfaces
at the end of each day in the shop in the belief that these will attract moisture and
hence support the formation of rust. All my CI tool surfaces look like new even after
10 years. I am near the coast and it can be very humid here for days at a time,
especially in the Winter. I treat my tools with Butchers Wax twice a year, it only takes
a few minutes for each tool.

http://www.bwccompany.com/bostonpolish.html

In the photos below you can see part of the top of my Unisaw. I bought this saw new
in December 2010. The first photo was taken in 2015 and the second just a couple
weeks ago. The last photo is from 2014. In each the CI top looks the same.

I have not had a problem with hand-held tools like planes or saws with rust, but I also
keep the humidity down in my shop by running the heat pump year round for an hour
each day. This is enough in the Winter to keep the temp above 35 all day and in the
Summer to keep the temps in the 70s as well as dehumidify. I don't keep a hygrometer
in the shop all the time but when I did park one out there for a time it stayed below 50%
which I think went a long way toward removing the chances of rust developing on my tools.

So possibly a small dehumidifier might be of help with controlling rust as well as making the
shop a more comfortable place for you to work in.

At work we use LPS-3. There are similar products available which work just as well.
LPS-3 puts a waxy protective film on surfaces its applied to.
http://www.lpslabs.com/product-details/612
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Re: Does anyone live near the coastline, rust issues ?
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2017, 12:52 AM »
I would use T9
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