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Offline Bugsysiegals

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Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« on: December 23, 2017, 10:32 AM »
I’m considering buying the attachement for my OF1400 to be able to use it for edge band trimming. I’m hesitant as the 1400 is heavy and dust collection with the attachment is difficult.

I have the Incra TS-LS with high rise wonderfece attachment and it seems I could stand plywood vertically against the high rise piece and run it past a router bit to trim edge banding.

Is anybody else doing this?  Does this sound like it would work well or am I better to buy the attachment for the 1400?

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Offline RobBob

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2017, 10:41 AM »
This guy uses a table saw, but it may give you some ideas.

Fast forward to about 7:20


Online tjbnwi

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2017, 10:51 AM »
Describe your edge banding. Are we talking .5mm banding or heavy solid banding/nosing?

Tom

Offline live4ever

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2017, 11:27 AM »
I've used both methods you describe, and I didn't like either one as much as I'd hoped to be honest.  My main use was for solid banding around 1/4" thick. 

The 1400 is, as you noted, heavy to use in a horizontal position.  After a few minutes of using a death grip, it became easy to overcompensate and gouge the workpiece.  The starts and ends were a little dicey. 

I made an auxiliary fence for my Incra setup.  The fence was raised off the table surface to allow the banding to run underneath.  This setup was really nice from a production standpoint, but I found the banding needed to be finessed afterwards anyways.  Slight variations in the flatness of the plywood workpieces, my auxiliary fence, etc. caused inconsistent results that required more attention than I liked with a sander or handplane.

Ultimately I went back to using a trim router (Dewalt), clamping panels together and the running the router on edge.  This gave me the best results off the router.  Equally effective has been a simple jig that allows the trim router to be used vertically, like this:
https://www.popularwoodworking.com/projects/a_jig_for_precision_trimming

Then I got the MFK700.   [embarassed]

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Offline Bugsysiegals

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 11:38 AM »
I haven’t chosen an edge banding yet but this is for 3/4” Maple veneer plywood. I’ve never edge banded before. What’s best, peel and stick, iron on, etc.?  Feel free to share a link.

I would imagine the table saw wouldn’t produce a quality finish but I have the bench dog router wing attached to mine and the Incra fence. It seems it would allow me to do the same thing as trimming with a router on its side but not certain just how well it would work.

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 11:51 AM »
If it's just iron on get this;

http://www.specialtytools.com/varikant-adjustable-trimmer.html

It will not work on heavy banding.

Varikant in action.



Tom

Offline lwoirhaye

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
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Offline rst

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2017, 02:02 PM »
youtube.com/watch?v=xVWKU_rhd_k

youtube.com/watch?v=ndZ9AHO6FXQ

Offline grbmds

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2017, 02:27 PM »
My experience with the high rise fence on the Incra table is that it's not solid enough to trim edge banding, even if it were solid wood edging. I think there is enough give in it to give you a less than smooth result. If you want to experiment with the Incra fence/table, I'd recommend using wood to make a high rise fence to attache to the Incra fence. It would be much more solid and more likely to result in a smooth cut. Just my opinion . . .
Randy

Offline RobBob

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2017, 03:22 PM »
@Bugsysiegals I think you should watch the video.  Using his method, the table saw produces a better finish than a router.  I also think you could adapt his technique to a router table.

I haven’t chosen an edge banding yet but this is for 3/4” Maple veneer plywood. I’ve never edge banded before. What’s best, peel and stick, iron on, etc.?  Feel free to share a link.

I would imagine the table saw wouldn’t produce a quality finish but I have the bench dog router wing attached to mine and the Incra fence. It seems it would allow me to do the same thing as trimming with a router on its side but not certain just how well it would work.

Offline live4ever

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2017, 05:46 PM »
I haven’t chosen an edge banding yet but this is for 3/4” Maple veneer plywood. I’ve never edge banded before. What’s best, peel and stick, iron on, etc.?  Feel free to share a link.

What will you be edge banding?  (raw plywood, prefin plywood, melamine, etc.?)

Iron-on is pretty easy to apply and stays put.  I don't edgeband millions of miles like Tom or other guys here, but for my projects I've had very good luck with the raw wood iron-on edgebanding sold at veneersupplies.com.  Good value and quality.

When possible I prefer solid wood edge banding of 1/4 to 3/8" thick.  Much more durable than stick-on or iron-on.
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Offline Bugsysiegals

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2017, 08:44 AM »
This is 1 side prefinished Maple veneer plywood. I’d not considered thicker hardwood edging ... perhaps I could contrast the Blonde Maple with a Walnut or Cherry for the shelves but I’d imagine to use thinner edge banding for the carcass(this is for some mobile shop cabinets)?

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2017, 09:05 AM »
I have not built this one but it looks like it would work well and is not too much trouble to build.

http://www.zalovideo.com/videos/edge-banding-trimmer-q4k4t4b5f6y474p5j5d474.html

https://ibuildit.ca/projects/edge-banding-trimmer/

Gerry
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Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2017, 10:32 AM »
I have the Incra Wonder Fence and high rise extension. I have not tried trimming edge banding with it but I think the results would be  iffy  at best.

If this is thin edge banding (the tape like stuff)  then a carbide blade hand trimmer actually does a very good job. Some are better than others.

I have tried the OF1400 with edge trimming set up and it is awkward, heavy , etc. Edge trimming set up on OF1010 works quite well but still a bit awkward and set up is ..... well set up. But I don't think I would bother setting up / using either for tape style edge banding.

Seth

Offline Bugsysiegals

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2017, 03:11 PM »
Thanks for all the replies!  I don’t have a block plane yet but assume going cross grain may not be a good idea?

Offline live4ever

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2017, 03:21 PM »
This is 1 side prefinished Maple veneer plywood. I’d not considered thicker hardwood edging ... perhaps I could contrast the Blonde Maple with a Walnut or Cherry for the shelves but I’d imagine to use thinner edge banding for the carcass(this is for some mobile shop cabinets)?

Since you are using prefin ply, it makes sense to use a prefinished edge band (either iron-on or stick-on), assuming you can get a decent color match.  Fastcap has pretty good stick-on edge band in a variety of colors. 

You can certainly use hardwood edging on prefin, but then run into the issue of having to finish the edge band (if you want).  Since these are shop cabinets you only have yourself to please and can balance durability/quality/aesthetics.  Hardwood edging would be more durable in the shop than thin ironed-on or stuck-on, if you can tolerate finishing it separately and the slight inconsistencies that result from doing it that way.  If they were my shop cabs I'd probably do hardwood edging, and wipe on a simple poly finish after applying the edgeband but before cabinet assembly. You could mask the prefin ply if you wanted to get really type A about it.
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

Offline Bugsysiegals

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Re: Incra Wonderfence Edge Band Trimming?
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2017, 08:26 PM »
It may be irrelevant but I have a DeVilbiss spray gun which cost about $500.  I was planning to use the prefinished side for the inside, wipe on some color, and spray it with clear.  I do like the idea of the solid wood edging for the shop and will take the advice of spraying it before assembly.

Thanks again for all the replies and advice.