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Offline teocaf

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #150 on: June 09, 2015, 03:16 PM »
that's right.  a fifth contained about 7 more mL, so perhaps they are converting to int'l std. metric only when it suits the bottom line...  (of course, that's assuming the price stayed the same)

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #151 on: June 09, 2015, 03:18 PM »
Chimay here (Oz) is about the same price as a medium to good bottle of wine! Haven't tried it to be honest. I take it you like it??

I do. I highly recommend it Kev.

I prefer the blue Chimay to the red, but they also make a gold which I've never had. I also like Duvel a lot.

My brother turned me on to Chimay and the red is his favorite. I've tried the blue and white labels but find myself ordering Chimay Rouge like him.

Duvel is good stuff along with many other Belgian beers, hence my post.   ;D
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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #152 on: June 09, 2015, 03:29 PM »
Not all Belgian beers are created equal.  Here's a "Belgian beer" that could use some innovation inside the can, not just the outside "wrapper"


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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric with wine.
« Reply #153 on: June 09, 2015, 04:53 PM »

And, at the risk of quoting myself, why the heck are American Bourbon's in 750 ML bottles?

Now there's a question to keep me up at night...

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The US liquor industry converted to metric in the late seventies.  At that time they went from some 11 sizes to about 5 (give or take) . The fifth (of a gallon) became 750ml. The quart became a liter, the pint became 500 ml, half pint became 250 ml, and half gallon became 1.75 liter.

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #154 on: June 09, 2015, 05:36 PM »
6 pages already on this discussion....? Geez  [scared]

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #155 on: June 09, 2015, 05:58 PM »
missing the point entirely that they're not actually alternatives, they are parallel systems with different strengths.

They actually really are alternatives. Where one system is the evolution of the other.

There is just as much strength in imperial as the horse carriage is strong against a car.  Sure, the horse carriage is romantic, but for your daily business you're really better off with the latter.

If you simply stick to measuring you will not really see a difference between metric and imperial. But once you start doing calculations with those measurements, you will understand the benefit of metric.

Umm.. you just corrected me to kind-of repeat what I was saying before you "corrected" me, minus any nuance.
I take it you don't read poetry?  [wink]

Yes the imperial system is rather romantic, but to hate it for that's a bit "soul of a Dalek," dontya think?

It has its place, unless you're a totally left-brained pedant with no sense of humour and the hots for slide rules.
As I said in my previous post, as soon as you start doing "calculations" the metric system wins hands down.

The metric system is NOT an evolution of the imperial - it's a complete rethink. Some Imperial measurements aren't even internally consistent - try calculating fabric dimensions in bolts, for example. Some measurements are metric but not S.I., for example - centilitres in wine sales, cc in automotive displacement, cm in poisoning the minds of kids. Angstrom is not S.I. but nanometre is though they're both metric with one decimal point difference.

Much depends on what one's daily business is, of course. Your eponymous horsemonger would be at home with hands, furlongs and chains whereas a fisherman wouldn't - unless he was a gambling fisherman. A physicist working in foot-pounds might well be able to get his colleague on the moon, but with ten times as much calculating and the scope for errors that all the back and forth conversions encourage.

Other than that issue I don't think we disagree on the value of the metric system but I'd rather you'd actually read and understood my original post before choosing to correct my "understanding." The irony is amusing, however. [big grin]

Now, to avoid using either the metric or Imperial system, who's for making the official distance measurement of this forum the parsec? It might need a few extra decimal places...
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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #156 on: June 09, 2015, 06:29 PM »
I'll measure in parsecs if you can give me a common symbol for twenty zeroes! [big grin]


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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #157 on: June 09, 2015, 06:32 PM »

Not all Belgian beers are created equal.  Here's a "Belgian beer" that could use some innovation inside the can, not just the outside "wrapper"

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That appears to be a 2deg dovetail bit that they made that can with.

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #158 on: June 10, 2015, 12:40 AM »
I'm tired of the Imperial vs Metric arguments.

I've decided to ignore those systems and start measuring in Cubits.  It worked just fine for Noah building his ark, so it should be good for me too! [tongue] [big grin]

Frank

P.S.  1 cubit = 45.72 cm
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Offline Kev

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #159 on: June 10, 2015, 04:53 AM »
I'm tired of the Imperial vs Metric arguments.

I've decided to ignore those systems and start measuring in Cubits.  It worked just fine for Noah building his ark, so it should be good for me too! [tongue] [big grin]

Frank

P.S.  1 cubit = 45.72 cm
 [popcorn] [popcorn]

That's 6.74907607174 x 1016 cubits to the parsec for the star travellers out there.

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #160 on: June 10, 2015, 04:57 AM »

So Frank, returning the thread back to drinking, I estimate that a Cubit would be approx. the same height as a Rehoboam Champagne Bottle which contains 4.5 litres.  [smile]

http://www.champagne.sparklingdirect.co.uk/champagne_bottle_sizes.asp

@SittingElf

Edit: I am sure that the mathematical genius who just previously posted will shortly either confirm or discredit my estimation!  [big grin]

@Kev

Well Kev?  [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
« Last Edit: June 10, 2015, 05:06 AM by Untidy Shop »
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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #161 on: June 10, 2015, 05:21 AM »

So Frank, returning the thread back to drinking, I estimate that a Cubit would be approx. the same height as a Rehoboam Champagne Bottle which contains 4.5 litres.  [smile]

http://www.champagne.sparklingdirect.co.uk/champagne_bottle_sizes.asp

@SittingElf

Edit: I am sure that the mathematical genius who just previously posted will shortly either confirm or discredit my estimation!  [big grin]

@Kev

Well Kev?  [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]

@Untidy Shop

Can't speak for Kev, but based on one of your recent posts, I imagine you are probably right, because it's obvious you were around when Noah was building his ark and trying to find a pair of Pterodactyls to add to the menage!! [big grin] [big grin]  You might have even been an apprentice on the Ark! [tongue]

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #162 on: June 10, 2015, 06:16 AM »

So Frank, returning the thread back to drinking, I estimate that a Cubit would be approx. the same height as a Rehoboam Champagne Bottle which contains 4.5 litres.  [smile]

http://www.champagne.sparklingdirect.co.uk/champagne_bottle_sizes.asp

@SittingElf

Edit: I am sure that the mathematical genius who just previously posted will shortly either confirm or discredit my estimation!  [big grin]

@Kev

Well Kev?  [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]

Ah yes ... the favourite drinking vessel of the Judea Peoples Front.

Based on the fact that a double magnum is typically only about 30% taller than a normal bottle and holds 4x, I'm going to say you're probably on the money with the height!

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #163 on: June 10, 2015, 06:17 AM »
Hmmm do you think they are using cubits while building this ark?  www.arkencounter.com

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #164 on: June 10, 2015, 06:33 AM »
Hmmm do you think they are using cubits while building this ark?  www.arkencounter.com

Based on the authentic use of trucks, forklifts and pre-package timber I'd say most certainly [wink]

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #165 on: June 10, 2015, 06:35 AM »
Hmmm do you think they are using cubits while building this ark?  www.arkencounter.com

Based on the authentic use of trucks, forklifts and pre-package timber I'd say most certainly [wink]
Of course I'd bet if Noah had all that available he would have used it too:)

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #166 on: June 10, 2015, 07:32 AM »
Hmmm do you think they are using cubits while building this ark?  www.arkencounter.com

Based on the authentic use of trucks, forklifts and pre-package timber I'd say most certainly [wink]
Of course I'd bet if Noah had all that available he would have used it too:)

Yeh ... bet he had to sharpen his axe a few times!

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #167 on: June 10, 2015, 07:55 AM »
Hmmm do you think they are using cubits while building this ark?  www.arkencounter.com

Based on the authentic use of trucks, forklifts and pre-package timber I'd say most certainly [wink]
Of course I'd bet if Noah had all that available he would have used it too:)

The answer to that lies in their FAQ, and it's hilarious.

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #168 on: June 10, 2015, 07:56 AM »


@Untidy Shop

Can't speak for Kev, but based on one of your recent posts, I imagine you are probably right, because it's obvious you were around when Noah was building his ark and trying to find a pair of Pterodactyls to add to the menage!! [big grin] [big grin]  You might have even been an apprentice on the Ark! [tongue]

Frank
Yep, me and Tinker were certainly the apprentices; he being older was final year. As I recall we had 66 boxes containing various hand tools with green handles!  [big grin]

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #169 on: June 10, 2015, 08:01 AM »
Hmmm do you think they are using cubits while building this ark?  www.arkencounter.com

Based on the authentic use of trucks, forklifts and pre-package timber I'd say most certainly [wink]
Of course I'd bet if Noah had all that available he would have used it too:)

The answer to that lies in their FAQ, and it's hilarious.

Number 7.

https://answersingenesis.org/ministry-news/ark-encounter/answers-for-the-ark-scoffers/

LoL ... you'd think with all that advanced tech they'd be a couple of other seaworthy boats then heh [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #170 on: June 10, 2015, 08:02 AM »

So Frank, returning the thread back to drinking, I estimate that a Cubit would be approx. the same height as a Rehoboam Champagne Bottle which contains 4.5 litres.  [smile]

http://www.champagne.sparklingdirect.co.uk/champagne_bottle_sizes.asp

@SittingElf

Edit: I am sure that the mathematical genius who just previously posted will shortly either confirm or discredit my estimation!  [big grin]

@Kev

Well Kev?  [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]

@Untidy Shop

Can't speak for Kev, but based on one of your recent posts, I imagine you are probably right, because it's obvious you were around when Noah was building his ark and trying to find a pair of Pterodactyls to add to the menage!! [big grin] [big grin]  You might have even been an apprentice on the Ark! [tongue]

Frank
Yep, me and Tinker were certainly the apprentices; he being older was final year. As I recall we had 66 boxes containing various hand tools with green handles!  [big grin]

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@ Untidy Shop 
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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #171 on: June 10, 2015, 09:39 AM »

So Frank, returning the thread back to drinking, I estimate that a Cubit would be approx. the same height as a Rehoboam Champagne Bottle which contains 4.5 litres.  [smile]

http://www.champagne.sparklingdirect.co.uk/champagne_bottle_sizes.asp

@SittingElf

Edit: I am sure that the mathematical genius who just previously posted will shortly either confirm or discredit my estimation!  [big grin]

@Kev

Well Kev?  [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]

@Untidy Shop

Can't speak for Kev, but based on one of your recent posts, I imagine you are probably right, because it's obvious you were around when Noah was building his ark and trying to find a pair of Pterodactyls to add to the menage!! [big grin] [big grin]  You might have even been an apprentice on the Ark! [tongue]

Frank
Yep, me and Tinker were certainly the apprentices; he being older was final year. As I recall we had 66 boxes containing various hand tools with green handles!  [big grin]

@SittingElf  @Tinker

@ Untidy Shop 
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Offline Kev

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #172 on: June 10, 2015, 10:49 AM »

So Frank, returning the thread back to drinking, I estimate that a Cubit would be approx. the same height as a Rehoboam Champagne Bottle which contains 4.5 litres.  [smile]

http://www.champagne.sparklingdirect.co.uk/champagne_bottle_sizes.asp

@SittingElf

Edit: I am sure that the mathematical genius who just previously posted will shortly either confirm or discredit my estimation!  [big grin]

@Kev

Well Kev?  [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]

@Untidy Shop

Can't speak for Kev, but based on one of your recent posts, I imagine you are probably right, because it's obvious you were around when Noah was building his ark and trying to find a pair of Pterodactyls to add to the menage!! [big grin] [big grin]  You might have even been an apprentice on the Ark! [tongue]

Frank
Yep, me and Tinker were certainly the apprentices; he being older was final year. As I recall we had 66 boxes containing various hand tools with green handles!  [big grin]

@SittingElf  @Tinker

@ Untidy Shop 
Hey, I was the architect on that job. I was way ahead of all of you.
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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #173 on: June 10, 2015, 11:11 AM »
Let's get back to a very good point, the map Shane showed us.
I think that says it all.

Offline Kev

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #174 on: June 10, 2015, 11:35 AM »
Let's get back to a very good point, the map Shane showed us.
I think that says it all.

Truth be told this topic had been done to death a dozen times ... like that guys? ... I used a dozen [wink]

It's an entertaining distraction that sometimes a few take too seriously.

Some people get set in their ways and don't like change ... the U.S. doesn't have a monopoly on that condition. Don't start me on the French [wink]

Give it fifty years ... the world will be metric, a lot of the current FOG members will have shuffled, cars will drive themselves (or whatever the care equivalent is) and the entire left/right drive thing will be moot. It's likely in a few decades that our basis for commerce will have completely evolved and I predict that JMB will have built a woodworking space state out of mahogany and be working from earth orbit.

It's also likely by then that such things as direct conversation is no longer the common mode and we communicate through interpretive devices that deal with ambiguity and preference (imagine talking to a person in China about inches and their hearing you in realtime Mandarin with measurements in millimetres) - that could be less than ten years, probably bio implants in 50 years doing far more!

Probably still no hover board though [mad]

Offline WastedP

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #175 on: June 10, 2015, 04:22 PM »
I've worked in an all-metric cabinet shop and I thought it was great.  I love working in mils, especially when dealing with hinges and slides.  But outside of the cabinet industry, I'm not sure there's a lot of pressure for other trades to adapt.  My father's a plumber, and I don't see the metric system changing his life, except for stating that a 6L toilet uses "about a gallon and a half per flush."

One thing I would note about oddball plywood sizes (1240, etc) is that some sheetgoods are oversized for trim.  Sheets of industrial particleboard and plastic laminate here are usually an inch, er, 25 mm larger than their nominal size.  So some 4x8's are 49" by 97".  I don't know how many times that 61st inch of laminate has saved my hide.

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #176 on: June 10, 2015, 04:30 PM »
Hmmm do you think they are using cubits while building this ark?  www.arkencounter.com

Based on the authentic use of trucks, forklifts and pre-package timber I'd say most certainly [wink]
Of course I'd bet if Noah had all that available he would have used it too:)

The answer to that lies in their FAQ, and it's hilarious.

Number 7.

https://answersingenesis.org/ministry-news/ark-encounter/answers-for-the-ark-scoffers/

LoL ... you'd think with all that advanced tech they'd be a couple of other seaworthy boats then heh [big grin] [big grin]
The first one was probably built by a 3D printer [emoji23]

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #177 on: June 10, 2015, 05:01 PM »
Only after a whole lot of Chimays' do I believe a pair of penguins walked all the way from Antarctica to the Middle East to board Noah's ark. Dunno how many parsecs that is exactly, but it must be quite a few.

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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #178 on: June 10, 2015, 05:05 PM »
Only after a whole lot of Chimays' do I believe a pair of penguins walked all the way from Antarctica to the Middle East to board Noah's ark. Dunno how many parsecs that is exactly, but it must be quite a few.

A nice glass of Westmalle Tripel will help with Noah's headcount (17 species of penguin according to Google) @Alex  [wink]
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Re: Isn't it about time U.S. went metric?
« Reply #179 on: June 10, 2015, 05:39 PM »

So Frank, returning the thread back to drinking, I estimate that a Cubit would be approx. the same height as a Rehoboam Champagne Bottle which contains 4.5 litres.  [smile]

http://www.champagne.sparklingdirect.co.uk/champagne_bottle_sizes.asp

@SittingElf

Edit: I am sure that the mathematical genius who just previously posted will shortly either confirm or discredit my estimation!  [big grin]

@Kev

Well Kev?  [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]

@Untidy Shop

Can't speak for Kev, but based on one of your recent posts, I imagine you are probably right, because it's obvious you were around when Noah was building his ark and trying to find a pair of Pterodactyls to add to the menage!! [big grin] [big grin]  You might have even been an apprentice on the Ark! [tongue]

Frank
Yep, me and Tinker were certainly the apprentices; he being older was final year. As I recall we had 66 boxes containing various hand tools with green handles!  [big grin]

@SittingElf  @Tinker

@ Untidy Shop 
Hey, I was the architect on that job. I was way ahead of all of you.
Tinker


Didn't know the ark was made of cement blocks!

As a matter of fact, it was.  We used epoch-se mortar to hold the blocks together.  ::)
Tinker
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