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Offline pdlandgang

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Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« on: February 27, 2014, 06:35 PM »
I know the topic has come up before here (don't want to re-hash it) but saw this commerical last night.  Have never seen it before.


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Offline copcarcollector

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2014, 06:42 PM »
Pathetic.  >:( [censored]

How much did it cost Saw Stop to make this BS ad?

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2014, 07:49 PM »
Wow. [sad]
 If Sawstop really wanted to make a better world for woodworkers, then they would license their technology, at a reasonable rate, to all saw makers.  Avarice is not appealing.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2014, 08:23 AM by NYC Tiny Shop »

Offline rjwz28

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2014, 08:23 PM »
So SawStop is behind this add?  I thought it was an add for a law firm.

Rob

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2014, 08:25 PM »
Wow. [sad]
I no longer want a Sawstop, because it would mean supporting this despicable company.  If they really wanted to make a better world for woodworkers, then they would license their technology at a reasonable rate to all saw makers.  Avarice is not appealing.


+1!!!  Steve Gass impresses me as nothing but a greedy ambulance-chaser, and I'll not be one supporting him. 

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2014, 08:27 PM »
No Sawstop for me.  They can kiss my_ _ _.
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Offline jacko9

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2014, 08:28 PM »
Freaking ambulance chasers! 

Jack

Offline RKA

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2014, 08:36 PM »
The same account has a number of similar ads on youtube on other unrelated topics.  Same individual too.  I wouldn't rush to judgement.
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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2014, 08:46 PM »
It wouldn't surprise me if Steve Gass was behind the ads.  May the fleas of a thousand camels infest his armpits and crotch, and may he never have sufficient fingers to scratch where it itches!!! 

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Offline pdlandgang

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2014, 09:02 PM »
The ad on TV last night was soliciting people to call the lawyers place and was a paid legal advertisement, but did seem to "endorse" a certain product.   It did catch my attention!

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2014, 09:27 PM »
Use a Festool Track Saw. Table saws are dangerous.  [big grin]
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Offline jacko9

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2014, 09:37 PM »
Use a Festool Track Saw. Table saws are dangerous.  [big grin]

This topic has been covered many times and for solid wood furniture builders that is not a viable option in my humble opinion.  [wink]

Jack

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2014, 10:19 PM »
Use a Festool Track Saw. Table saws are dangerous.  [big grin]

This topic has been covered many times and for solid wood furniture builders that is not a viable option in my humble opinion.  [wink]

Jack

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2014, 10:35 PM »
Guys, we all have our (probably very strong) opinions of this type of thing and the implications of lawsuits in our industry. This sort of thing threatens the livelihoods of people like me.

But, this is from a company, CAMG or Consumer Attorney Marketing Group, that help lawyers market their services by putting together these types of ads. There's no phone number or contact information because this is a generic template. Their YouTube channel is riddled with examples of all sorts of lawsuit ads and the like.

It's doubtful that any company other than them was behind the creation of the video.

Shane

Offline Motown

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2014, 11:46 PM »
I suspect that there a few SawStop employees on this site and probably even reading this very thread and so I respectfully say this to them: You just lost me! I've been thinking and started to plan a table saw upgrade. I narrowed it down to a Hammer and a SawStop and I am now going with the Hammer because I simply don't like spending thousands of dollars with bullsh*ters. Especially when I don't have too. If safety where your true concern you would figure out a way to go 'down market' and make more cost effective table saws for the betterment of mankind. But that isn't really your goal. Your strategy is seriously misguided because if you can't go 'down market' than you should know that your target market audience (like members of FOG) will make decisions and pay a premium based on the merits (quality, safety, value) of your product. Just like we do w/ Festool.  So go on, continue to use fear as a sales tactic, enlist ambulance chasers and devalue the merits of your own product because, SawStop, you are fired!

As a FOG member, I love coming to this site and I try to stay out of conversations that are confrontational but this reaches new levels of low. I did a quick Google search and this add does tie back to an actual firm http://www.lawyerworks.com/personal-injury/table-saw-injury-lawyer.php

As previously discussed, its well known that SawStop tried to force other manufacturers to use their patent and, to me, the SawStop plug in the middle of the video makes it obvious that they are involved. Anyone own a Hammer Table Saw and have some feedback?

Offline Motown

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2014, 12:03 AM »
It wouldn't surprise me if Steve Gass was behind the ads.  May the fleas of a thousand camels infest his armpits and crotch, and may he never have sufficient fingers to scratch where it itches!!!  

 [mad]



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Offline Upscale

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2014, 12:39 AM »
Loath me, hate me, indemnify me for saying it, but the SawStop is an extremely well built, functional machine with top notch safety features. To just dismiss it because you don't approve of their marketing method is tantamount to saying your fingers just aren't worth the money.

Fact is, the US is one of the most avaristic countries this world has ever seen. Yet, it's a wonder to see how many people whining about Gass wanting too much profit. Original licensing request by Gass was 8% I believe. Even on a $3000 tablesaw, that means a paltry licensing charge of $240. Even smokers usually pay much more than that per year on a completely wasteful, deadly product.

Gass is not breaking any laws, he's adhering to the right to charge what he wants and he has what I'd call a fairly priced product that can save many, many people from injuries that are often catastrophic.

Moderators, if you feel this message is antagonistic, then go ahead and delete it. But, take into fact that it's the truth as many including me see it.

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2014, 12:44 AM »
If safety where your true concern you would figure out a way to go 'down market' and make more cost effective table saws for the betterment of mankind. But that isn't really your goal.

US drug companies sell their products for higher rates than many other drug companies worldwide. Yet, I see very few complaining about them. They're in the business of making money wherever they can. Why aren't you complaining about companies making BILLIONS on the backs of people who need their products to survive?

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2014, 12:49 AM »
Guys, we all have our (probably very strong) opinions of this type of thing and the implications of lawsuits in our industry. This sort of thing threatens the livelihoods of people like me.

But, this is from a company, CAMG or Consumer Attorney Marketing Group, that help lawyers market their services by putting together these types of ads. There's no phone number or contact information because this is a generic template. Their YouTube channel is riddled with examples of all sorts of lawsuit ads and the like.

It's doubtful that any company other than them was behind the creation of the video.

Bravo! Despite dislike of SawStop and Gass, you have the integrity to voice what could be considered a logical, honest opinion even though it might deter a few people.

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2014, 01:15 AM »
Guys, we all have our (probably very strong) opinions of this type of thing and the implications of lawsuits in our industry. This sort of thing threatens the livelihoods of people like me.

But, this is from a company, CAMG or Consumer Attorney Marketing Group, that help lawyers market their services by putting together these types of ads. There's no phone number or contact information because this is a generic template. Their YouTube channel is riddled with examples of all sorts of lawsuit ads and the like.

It's doubtful that any company other than them was behind the creation of the video.

Shane

These types of ads are sometimes called 'slugs' - going back to the days of lead type slugs, but perhaps equally apropos in this case!

They are produced on spec and are offered to TV stations to sell to local clients. The station just drops in the phone number and other information and it looks like the ad was produced for the local attorney. I, too, have my doubst that SawStop paid to be a part of that. They were just cited as a company that has a much safer product that makes everybody else look bad by comparison.

If the attorney's who run the spots don't get any takers, they (the spots, not the attorneys) will disappear just as quickly as they appeared. Unfortunately the 'slugs' that are the attorneys seem to stay around forever...
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Offline Motown

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2014, 01:17 AM »
Upscale, you are entitled to your opinion but what is your point?  I am not complaining about US drug companies because this thread is not about US drug companies......its about SawStop. I am making an observation and ultimately a decision as a consumer where to spend my money.

If what you and others have said is true about the quality of their product isn't it easier to take the high road and grow your market share with a great product instead of enlisting a bunch of ambulance chasers to go after the revenue of your competitors? Their tactics suggest they don't think the merits of their product are enough to win. Does this type of judgement factor in to their engineering, manufacturing or customer service?

I am not saying Gass is breaking any laws, I am saying that if this is his strategy he is not smart enough to accomplish his goal.......and I'm going elsewhere.

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Offline rjwz28

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2014, 02:11 AM »
Upscale, you are entitled to your opinion but what is your point?  I am not complaining about US drug companies because this thread is not about US drug companies......its about SawStop. I am making an observation and ultimately a decision as a consumer where to spend my money.

If what you and others have said is true about the quality of their product isn't it easier to take the high road and grow your market share with a great product instead of enlisting a bunch of ambulance chasers to go after the revenue of your competitors? Their tactics suggest they don't think the merits of their product are enough to win. Does this type of judgement factor in to their engineering, manufacturing or customer service?

I am not saying Gass is breaking any laws, I am saying that if this is his strategy he is not smart enough to accomplish his goal.......and I'm going elsewhere.



Motown, this thread didn't start about Sawstop.  Look at the title.  It's about lawyers.  It became one after Sawstop haters started making comments.   And no one really knows if they are behind the add in the first place.

I own one and like Uptown, I really like mine.  If you don't want one, fine, don't buy one.  But you don't have to bash the product because you don't like the owner.  Everyone has their own preferences.  Also, I think they do take the high road as you suggest with great engineering, manufacturing and service.  I remember when I got mine, it had the best assembly plans of anything I ever bought.  It came with a book and all the parts were neatly sealed an labeled.

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Offline Upscale

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2014, 02:15 AM »
If what you and others have said is true about the quality of their product isn't it easier to take the high road and grow your market share with a great product instead of enlisting a bunch of ambulance chasers to go after the revenue of your competitors?

I guess I didn't get my point across. Even if SawStop did enlist a legal group to get their point across (and that is not a given), I don't fault Saw for any part of their actions early on or the present. A small, beginning company has to fight tremendous obstacles to succeed. Many express their extreme outrage at SawStops marketing actions. Yet, many other real crimes and actions a thousand times worse, are carried out on a regular basis by people and companies. They appear to go by the wayside. Where's the outrage by the masses. Little SawStop gets this torrent of woodworker outrage while real travesties go by the wayside. How do you explain that?

While I can't really condone some of the stuff they've done, there's far many more prevalent things in my view of the world that I believe should be addressed (and really aren't) long before some blip on radar like SawStop. Anyway, that's my opinion and how I feel about it. I apologize of that offends you.  :)

Offline Upscale

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2014, 02:24 AM »
Motown, this thread didn't start about Sawstop.  Look at the title.  It's about lawyers.  It became one after Sawstop haters started making comments.   And no one really knows if they are behind the add in the first place.

I think you have to admit though, when anything about tablesaw safety is mentioned, SawStop comes immediately to mind. It's almost impossible to do otherwise. And of course, then comes the inevitable backlash.

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2014, 02:56 AM »
That woman made me extremely angry.

People cut their fingers with knives all the time - let's dig up the poor caveman that invented it and sue the mammoth skin off his back!

I really despise people that profit from other people's pain and prey on the weak (is that the real definition of a lawyer?).

Personally I'd like to see Saw Stop suffer a serious negative backlash from this material as it's obvious their video was used in a promotional manner. I for one will NEVER touch, speak positively or recommend their tools.

SHAME, SHAME, SHAME [mad]


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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2014, 03:48 AM »
I too doubt SawStop has anything to do with this video. This is about lawyers trying to make a buck, and they simply use the SawStop device as a means. The woman said there happen 30.000 table saw related accidents per year in the US and for lawyers this means 30.000 possible jobs and 30.000 possible settlements. It is American culture that endorses this behaviour, not SawStop on its own.

I don't know about what Steve Gass does for tricks in the US, we're not privy to that information over here, but I do know that when I ever get a stationary table saw I will lean heavily towards getting the SawStop because I highly value my digits and am willing to pay a premium price for their well being. Just like I'm willing to pay a premium price for Festool products, even though I think lot's of their premium value is only perceived.

What I find amazing though is that they can twist reality into what they want. They talk about "defectively designed" if a saw doesn't have SawStop technology. So suddenly all saws that have been used before SawStop was around are defective. Pretty bold statement. What I find even more amazing is that a judge might actually go along with them.

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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2014, 04:06 AM »
I watched the commercial and some others from the same channel and they seem to follow a unified format of showing products in their spots in exactly the same place so I wouldn't go accusing Saw Stop of product placement just because its mentioned as an example of the only device that wouldn't be 'defectively designed' by their legaleze pitch for compensation.
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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2014, 07:25 AM »
As much as I hate the practice of ambulance chasing, even they may serve a purpose in this little ecosystem.  Other table saw manufacturers don't want to be the first guy to pay the licensing and see their production cost increase.  They don't think they will be able to sell product at a price disadvantage.  Just like car manufacturers, it's a calculated risk.  How much do we lose in sales or profits (or both) by adding this technology vs. how much do we lose in law suits if we don't.  If the ambulance chasers can help them see they didn't make the right decision, maybe that opens some doors and gives the consumer a choice? 

Of course it's also possible the ambulance chasers hurt the equation.  Maybe the other saw manufacturers believe it's commonly accepted that saws inherently dangerous if you don't follow appropriate safety practices, so the payout for injuries is low, but with this technology, it might be expected that the saw is as safe as a butter knife.  So any failure of the technology would be a huge liability sitting squarely on the shoulders of the company with the deepest pockets. 

As someone who is considering the purchase of a saw, I have already decided I will not purchase a saw that doesn't have the best safety features available.  My fingers are tools that I use to earn a living, besides the fact that I happen to like them.  Cost is a concern, but the cost of an injury is many multiples of the cost of the saw.  What frustrates me most is lack of choice.  While sawstop does make a very nice saw, other manufacturers have made a decision not to incorporate the technology.  If they wanted to, I'm sure they could find a way to structure an arrangement with sawstop that was mutually beneficial.  The don't want to.  So as the consumer, I'm left to vote with my wallet and I really don't feel like I have a choice. 
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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2014, 07:34 AM »
That woman made me extremely angry.

She's an actress. I found her attractive but not very convincing.

This discussion got me thinking, are there as many accidents (per user) with sliding table saws compared to others. In other words are sliding table saws safer?
Saw stop is interesting technology. They developed it, and they deserve all the revenue they get from it just as Microsoft and Apple etc. do.
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Re: Lawyer Table Saw TV Ad
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2014, 07:52 AM »
There are 2 known and documented facts, Gass is a lawyer and he's already tried to buy votes with donations to get legislation past. Yah there's no chance he's involved in this ad. LOL

John