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Offline live4ever

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Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« on: April 26, 2015, 03:48 PM »
I have a well-equipped hobbyist shop with a lot of Festool and stationary tools.  However, I'll be hitting the road to do a large kitchen at my parents' home.  I'm doing the custom cabs (inset beaded face frames) from boxes to finish. I'll have all my Festool there, incl TS, Kapex, Of1400, Domino.  I'll also have a portable planer and makeshift router table.  I'm wondering whether I really need a jobsite tablesaw?  At home I've got my cabinet saw which I could see using a lot, but for custom kitchen cabs with a lot of trim detail will I be able to get by without one?  Thanks gang!
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Offline mastercabman

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2015, 04:20 PM »
I do a lot of kitchens
From specs homes to very big and high end homes
New construction/remodeling
I deal with factory cabs to semi custom to custom cabinets
For factory cabinets you really need a jobsite table saw
For custom I don't use my table saw a whole lot but it does happen
It's good to have just in case
Sometime designers/contractors makes mistakes and you need to be able to improvise
You may just need to rip 1x material or cut cabinets parts to fit a wall
You never know what you come across
So having a table saw is always nice to have
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline Brent Taylor

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2015, 05:08 PM »
I have  been using a site saw for 40 plus years,  a track saw is nice, but for some cuts a table saw is faster and safer. It doesn't have to be big or fancy,  just needs to have a sharp blade and a decent fence.  A good sled goes a long way to get good crosscuts and mitres.

Offline Locks14

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2015, 05:16 PM »
It is a good idea to have one for those times when you need to rip thin stock. I'd highly recommend the Dewalt DW 745, it has a superb fence and plenty of power for such tasks. A perfect compliment to a track saw and rails.

Offline John Beauchamp

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2015, 06:02 PM »
If you have a fairly complete shop at home with a cabinet saw, why don't you build at home and then just install them. How far is it to the job site?  I have built complete kitchens and hauled them several hundred miles to install. I never do anything on site that I can reasonably do in my shop.   
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Offline AndyG

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2015, 10:42 PM »
i think you ll be glad you did. i have the small dewalt that hangs on my paulk work bench...great combo....the dewalt has the power you need...the fence system  is excellent and Rons table design expands its capability .Looking again at your plan to build...i would not hesitate.

Offline live4ever

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2015, 11:00 PM »
Thanks guys, I'll look at picking up a DW745 probably.  I was looking at the new Dewalts (7480, 7490), but I don't think I need the additional features or rip capacity of the new saws.  The 7490 was attractive because it can take a dado (and I thought I might as well be able to if I'm investing in a second tablesaw), but it's $500 vs. $300 for a 745. 

Regarding building at home (about 1.5h away - don't want too much back and forth though), I'll be doing the doors/drawer fronts and drawer boxes at home, but will build carcasses and do all finishing there.  Face frames I haven't decided yet where I'll do.
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Offline waho6o9

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2015, 10:21 AM »
You're wise to be prepared and the dado set is a good thought as well.

Go for it.

Offline fshanno

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2015, 01:36 AM »
If you are not averse to applied mitered bead strips instead of jack miters you might want to look at the Cabinotch system for face frame cabinetry.  The prices are reasonable and you have good control of case size.  It's flat packed.  It's not RTA but it assembles almost as fast as RTA and you don't need clamps.  Just glue and a rubber mallet.  It's made in the USA with domestic ply and it's not that much more than cases we would make from retail priced plywood and retail S4S faceframe material.  You have a choice on face frame species and you can get prefinished ply. 

You could get those cases installed quick.  Countertops and backsplash and all the other stuff could be happening while you're making the doors and drawers. 

You'd need a jobsite saw of course, to rip the bead strips after you route the beads. 
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Offline live4ever

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2015, 02:42 AM »
If you are not averse to applied mitered bead strips instead of jack miters you might want to look at the Cabinotch system for face frame cabinetry.  The prices are reasonable and you have good control of case size.  It's flat packed.  It's not RTA but it assembles almost as fast as RTA and you don't need clamps.  Just glue and a rubber mallet.  It's made in the USA with domestic ply and it's not that much more than cases we would make from retail priced plywood and retail S4S faceframe material.  You have a choice on face frame species and you can get prefinished ply. 

You could get those cases installed quick.  Countertops and backsplash and all the other stuff could be happening while you're making the doors and drawers. 

You'd need a jobsite saw of course, to rip the bead strips after you route the beads.

Cabinotch system is interesting, thanks for that - might be useful in the future.  I'm married to going with jack miters this time around. 

Ended up deciding on the DW 7490x.  I want the saw to have dado capability so I'll have to pony up the extra for it.  Don't need the stand it comes with as I'll be mating it with a Paulk workbench - hopefully can sell it and recoup a few bucks.
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Offline fshanno

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2015, 11:16 AM »
Ended up deciding on the DW 7490x.  I want the saw to have dado capability so I'll have to pony up the extra for it.  Don't need the stand it comes with as I'll be mating it with a Paulk workbench - hopefully can sell it and recoup a few bucks.

I got the low end DW for $180 at Home Depot for Christmas.  No dado, lower RPM's but it's worked out fine.  Just used it yesterday to rip thing strips for door jams in walls where 1/4" paneling was replaced with drywall. 7' long strips at 7/16 x 9/16.

I'd have to agree that jack miters are the way to go.  Your makeshift router table can't be too makeshift, you'll need a T-track in it anyway. 
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Offline Locks14

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2015, 11:18 AM »
Ended up deciding on the DW 7490x.  I want the saw to have dado capability so I'll have to pony up the extra for it.  Don't need the stand it comes with as I'll be mating it with a Paulk workbench - hopefully can sell it and recoup a few bucks.

I got the low end DW for $180 at Home Depot for Christmas.  No dado, lower RPM's but it's worked out fine.  Just used it yesterday to rip thing strips for door jams in walls where 1/4" paneling was replaced with drywall. 7' long strips at 7/16 x 9/16.

I'd have to agree that jack miters are the way to go.  Your makeshift router table can't be too makeshift, you'll need a T-track in it anyway.

When you guys moan about Festool being expensive in NA, just to make you feel better, the DW745 i.e. the low end saw you got for $180 is about £379 (cheapest price non-ebay) in the UK. So that's about $580 we pay for something you can get for $180.  [eek]
« Last Edit: April 30, 2015, 11:21 AM by Locks14 »

Offline cblanton42

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2015, 04:46 AM »
Something is off in the interpretation of numbers or maybe different saws. The DW 745 costs $299 at HD which is a new lowest ever price,  $180 won't even buy a Ryobi....   

Offline roblg3

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2015, 11:49 PM »
You need a knife sharp enough to create an edge on a wood harder than the wood you are cutting.anything beyond that is convenience.
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Offline crazydave789

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2015, 12:05 AM »
we don't do kitchens like you guys over there here its all MFC and MDF even for high end work but the tool that never let me down is my old dw710. I got it for doing bedrooms as it worked well with dust extraction and was easy to get upstairs, I ended up getting rid of a very heavy beckum kg500 because  it never got used and kept putting my back out. I found the 710 light reliable, easy to use and more accurate compared to the flip saws. there are several table top saws out there but none with as big a table to work with.

the blade doesn't bevel was the only problem with it and all of its type but I rarely needed it and could usually get by with the odd rental when really necessary. I'd like a dw27112 to upgrade it but can't justify it untill the 710 blows up.

that said I am looking at a track saw and making an mft type setup as I've been asked to do some kitchens later in the year so will use my free time and the money to go back into tools as we're moving house and I have a few remodelling ideas.

Offline fshanno

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2015, 01:19 AM »
Something is off in the interpretation of numbers or maybe different saws. The DW 745 costs $299 at HD which is a new lowest ever price,  $180 won't even buy a Ryobi....   

Date   1/30/2015
Amount   $193.77
Transaction Type   DEBIT
Transaction Description   WITHDRAWAL POS 0130 1213 757613 910 EASTEX FREEWAY BEAUMONT TX

I noticed the sale right here on the FOG.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/dewalt-dw745-$225-at-home-depot/

And at this link ToolGuyd

In late Jan. they still had a couple in the box at my Home Depot and the price went down to $180.  And that's when I bought it.

Don't know where Home Depot got that 16" rip capacity to the right.  You can set it up for at least a 24" rip.
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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2015, 01:28 AM »
this is another reason why the ts55 cannot overtake the need of a contractor/stationary table saw. pls post some your build progress  :)
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Offline roblg3

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2015, 10:06 AM »
#TEE I'd like to understand your comment.  I still use a tablesaw because it's faster for me on some things.  But the tracksaw actually does more than any contractor or regular stationary table saw can.  If I could have only 1 it would be no doubt be ANY tracksaw over even a high end sliding table saw.  Portability wins.  Space saving wins.  Affordability wins.  Ability to do more wins.  I'm not sure what a table saw can do that a track saw can't.  Maybe you can tell me?  I'm seriously interested in hearing your reply, I like to learn!
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Offline crazydave789

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2015, 05:53 PM »
I agree that you can get by with what you have you just do it differently, you could even use a router/jigsaw/planer combo.

a table saw is good for repetition though.

Offline roblg3

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2015, 12:32 AM »
I thought of something a tablesaw can do that a tracksaw can not.  resawing boards up to ~3" tall.  I'm still thinking though...anyone have thoughts on what a tablesaw can do that a track saw can't?
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Offline waho6o9

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2015, 12:49 AM »
Dados

Offline jacko9

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2015, 12:55 AM »
Custom Coves

Offline roblg3

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2015, 06:36 AM »
I assume you mean using a stacked dado blade.  Dados can be done with a track saw, it takes longer since blades can't be stacked, but it's doable. 

Can you explain what you mean by custom coves?  Im guessing you mean dragging material unguided by the fence at an angle to the blade spinning?

Don't get me wrong, I'mm not anti table saw, I have on and use it often.  The OP is asking if he "NEEDS" a jobsite table saw.  If portability is the REAL issue, I think I'd rather have a Track than table saw for in the field.
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Offline sroxberg

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2015, 06:45 AM »
Why not buy a used Contractors saw off of Craigslist and then sell it on Craigslist when you are done. You might end up with a better saw and fence for less money, and after you resell it the end cost may be less than a rental.

That is what I would consider.

Offline fshanno

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2015, 08:53 AM »

Can you explain what you mean by custom coves?  Im guessing you mean dragging material unguided by the fence at an angle to the blade spinning?


Here's a coving jig that Rockler sells.



Not an application for a plunging track saw.

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Offline JimH2

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2015, 10:31 AM »
I assume you mean using a stacked dado blade.  Dados can be done with a track saw, it takes longer since blades can't be stacked, but it's doable. 

Can you explain what you mean by custom coves?  Im guessing you mean dragging material unguided by the fence at an angle to the blade spinning?

Don't get me wrong, I'mm not anti table saw, I have on and use it often.  The OP is asking if he "NEEDS" a jobsite table saw.  If portability is the REAL issue, I think I'd rather have a Track than table saw for in the field.

Mafell has a track saw that can do dados, but it is pricey.

Offline pugilato

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2015, 10:55 AM »
I'll be doing the doors/drawer fronts and drawer boxes at home, but will build carcasses and do all finishing there.  Face frames I haven't decided yet where I'll do.

The only reason I would take a table saw to the job site to build a kitchen would be to cut the drawer boxes and dados for them. If you're going to build them at home, no sense taking the table saw to the job site.

Offline jacko9

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2015, 12:39 PM »

Can you explain what you mean by custom coves?  Im guessing you mean dragging material unguided by the fence at an angle to the blade spinning?


Here's a coving jig that Rockler sells.

(Attachment Link)

Not an application for a plunging track saw.

That's what I meant about custom coves. I just use pieces of plywood and clamps but get the same results (I like the Rockler set).  I've had to make my own moulding to match Honduras Mahogany and the table saw was invaluable for this application.

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2015, 07:46 PM »
A track saw making multiple passes can accomplish dados.  I do agree that the coving set up is not in the track saw skill set.  I guess not even a router table could handle large coves...so there is at least 2 things a table saw can do that a track saw cant.  Maybe someone can add others?  Keep em coming guys!  I've never had the need to do coves like that, but I now know I can!  Thanks
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Offline jacko9

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Re: Do I need a jobsite tablesaw?
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2015, 08:55 PM »
A track saw making multiple passes can accomplish dados.  I do agree that the coving set up is not in the track saw skill set.  I guess not even a router table could handle large coves...so there is at least 2 things a table saw can do that a track saw cant.  Maybe someone can add others?  Keep em coming guys!  I've never had the need to do coves like that, but I now know I can!  Thanks

While you can rip thin rails on a track saw, doing so on a table saw is so much faster and doing multiple widths is even more so.  Crosscutting is also much quicker with homemade cutoff sled on a table saw.  I have to admit that cutting full sheets of plywood must be easier with a track saw but, I do that with a 8' long straight strip of 3/4" plywood and some clamps while using my worm drive trim saw.

Jack