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Offline antss

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2017, 12:22 AM »
This has me thinking about the recent discussion about the cord change on the CT vacuums to a smaller gauge.   @Rick Christopherson  was commissioned to do a test to see if there was any adverse affect on power delivery with the smaller cord.   

He found that there really wasn't with the smaller gauge cable.

So, if a CT and a tool plugged into it drawing max current isn't affected by its new smaller gauge cord - which is larger than the 16ga "big" cord supplied with the more powerful tools - why then is a TS55 not able to run adequately with the "smaller" 18ga cords from the sanders ect....

@TylerC@Festool USA  - do you think you could query the engineers for an answer to this question ?   
Namely why the vacuums are ok with smaller gauge cords , but the hand tools aren't .

Offline tallgrass

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2017, 12:45 AM »
my problem is that it is a case " no pun intended."  there are so many choices in systainers that the right one can be chosen. the need to choose a fiendishly small case so as to make the stowing of the cable more difficult is frustrating.

Offline luke duke

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Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2017, 11:58 AM »
This may not make the cord easier to fit in a systainer, but it will make it easier to uncoil.


Offline dupe

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2017, 02:44 PM »
I remembered having this saved on my (ahem) Pinterest Systainer board. Here is the orginal post from 2010 via @ChrisMeggersee

I re-uploaded the picture from the board

Maybe he could repost how the hooks are secured to the lid, I assume you could always epoxy a flat bottom hook or screw into small blocks of wood.

Another tip for carvex owners is attaching a small strip magnet to the lid for holding tshank blade.


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Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2017, 02:57 PM »
I remembered having this saved on my (ahem) Pinterest Systainer board. Here is the orginal post from 2010 via @ChrisMeggersee

I re-uploaded the picture from the board

Maybe he could repost how the hooks are secured to the lid, I assume you could always epoxy a flat bottom hook or screw into small blocks of wood.

Another tip for carvex owners is attaching a small strip magnet to the lid for holding tshank blade.

There are four holes in the Classic lid at the rib intersections where the hooks are located. Things can be screwed into the holes.

There are similar holes in the T-Loc lid but in different locations more towards the outer edge of the lid.

Seth

Offline Coen

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2017, 11:06 AM »
This has me thinking about the recent discussion about the cord change on the CT vacuums to a smaller gauge.   @Rick Christopherson  was commissioned to do a test to see if there was any adverse affect on power delivery with the smaller cord.   

He found that there really wasn't with the smaller gauge cable.

So, if a CT and a tool plugged into it drawing max current isn't affected by its new smaller gauge cord - which is larger than the 16ga "big" cord supplied with the more powerful tools - why then is a TS55 not able to run adequately with the "smaller" 18ga cords from the sanders ect....

@TylerC@Festool USA  - do you think you could query the engineers for an answer to this question ?   
Namely why the vacuums are ok with smaller gauge cords , but the hand tools aren't .

Eh, the CT was changed from 12ga to 14ga? And the US Plug it cords are 16ga and 18ga?

So for metric, that's 3.3 mm^2, 2.1 mm^2 and 0.8 mm^2

So the CT still has a much thicker cord.

The obvious solution is of course to switch to 230V; that cuts currents in half, and reduces the need for thicker wires everywhere. We only have 1 size Plug-It cord here. Normal house-wiring is 2.5mm^2 (about 13ga); that's good for 20A, or 4.6 kW. In my country we usually have 16A circuit breakers (mains is fused 1 phase 35A or 3 phase 25A), but that's still 3.7 kW. The CT's have, I think, 1.5mm^2 (15-16 ga), but I'm not really sure. It's a lot heavier than the Plug-it cords for sure.

And 16A is still enough to run both CT (1200W), OF 2200 (2200W) and have plenty left over to light the garage, in case you only have one circuit there (like by default everyone has here).

No split phases here either. Either 1 phase 230V, or three phases 230V, meaning 400V between the phases.

I suggest you also adopt mm^2 for cable cross section at the same time you adopt 230V  [tongue]

Back to the root of your question; for the calculation of the CT cord they probably had to take into account that people don't unroll the cord, while for the plug-it cords that isn't applicable. Heat buildup in rolled-up cords becomes a problem at some point, so my guess is that played into the thicker CT cord.

Offline antss

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2017, 06:47 PM »
This has me thinking about the recent discussion about the cord change on the CT vacuums to a smaller gauge.   @Rick Christopherson  was commissioned to do a test to see if there was any adverse affect on power delivery with the smaller cord.   

He found that there really wasn't with the smaller gauge cable.

So, if a CT and a tool plugged into it drawing max current isn't affected by its new smaller gauge cord - which is larger than the 16ga "big" cord supplied with the more powerful tools - why then is a TS55 not able to run adequately with the "smaller" 18ga cords from the sanders ect....

@TylerC@Festool USA  - do you think you could query the engineers for an answer to this question ?   
Namely why the vacuums are ok with smaller gauge cords , but the hand tools aren't .


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@TylerC@Festool USA  - do you think you could query the engineers for an answer to this question ?   
Namely why the vacuums are ok with smaller gauge cords , but the hand tools aren't .

You can save Seth and Peter having to scold me if you'd provide some info, as I think I've been more than patient waiting a month for an answer.

Offline Coen

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2017, 11:20 PM »
What smaller gauge? 14g is bigger than both 16g and 18g, or am I missing something here?

Offline yetihunter

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2017, 01:01 AM »
This may not make the cord easier to fit in a systainer, but it will make it easier to uncoil.



The last method he showed is "correct" method to wrap a cord.
Alas, I failed at this method, aggravating recording engineers
and musicians for a good decade.

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2017, 09:20 AM »
This may not make the cord easier to fit in a systainer, but it will make it easier to uncoil.


The last method he showed is "correct" method to wrap a cord.
Alas, I failed at this method, aggravating recording engineers
and musicians for a good decade.


I used to work in a television studio. Same method,    we called over / under because of the way you can do it by flipping your hand to get the right "twist" / layering effect.


Seth

Offline acer66

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2017, 11:45 AM »
Nope.

Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2017, 12:11 PM »
I find some systainers are harder to fit the cords than others.  For this reason typically only bring a few plug it cords when working outside the shop (usually about 3 cords) and in the shop I never store the cords in the systainer. 

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2017, 12:55 PM »
I keep one on my boom arm 14ga and one hanging on the wall 18 ga. But normally use the one on the boom arm very seldom use the one hanging on the wall. The rest are in the systainers and not taken out much except when I getting a tool

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2017, 06:56 AM »
I don't keep any cords in the tool Systainers. I have one hanging with the vac hose from the mounting set in my shop (CT33). I keep one cord with the site CT Mini. And one in a storage box in my truck just in case. I work alone so never need more than one cord at a time.

Seth

How does it work?

The Domino Plug-it I have do not fit in my TS55. I have not tried to plug the domino with the TS55 Plug-it since I bought the TS55 yesterday but this is the first thing I will do today in the shop.
Mario

Offline Runhard

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2017, 08:54 AM »
I don't keep any cords in the tool Systainers. I have one hanging with the vac hose from the mounting set in my shop (CT33). I keep one cord with the site CT Mini. And one in a storage box in my truck just in case. I work alone so never need more than one cord at a time.

Seth

How does it work?

The Domino Plug-it I have do not fit in my TS55. I have not tried to plug the domino with the TS55 Plug-it since I bought the TS55 yesterday but this is the first thing I will do today in the shop.

@Mario Turcot
As you will discover, the heavier gauge cord for your TS55 will fit your domino. The heavier gauge cord will fit all the Festool’s, but the lighter gauge does not work on the more powerful tools like the tracksaws.
Daniel

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2017, 09:16 AM »
Thanks for the reply. so if I want to use a sleeve with my CT hose I'm better to use the TS55 plug-it right?
Mario

Offline Runhard

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Re: Do you hate putting the cord back in the Systainer?
« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2017, 09:19 AM »
Thanks for the reply. so if I want to use a sleeve with my CT hose I'm better to use the TS55 plug-it right?

Yes, that’s what I would do.
Daniel