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Offline JimH2

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2019, 12:52 PM »
Thanks for informing about something I needed but did not know I needed.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2019, 01:59 PM »
Thanks for informing about something I needed but did not know I needed.

Hey Jim, glad you learned something out of this thread.

I believe thread like this are a good opportunity to increase everyone knowledge. Not because I am the one that start it, most threads are about sharing/acquiring knowledge. This particular thread purpose was to gather as much expertise as possible about the subject. I'm pretty sure all the participants and the ones that read through this thread, learned something  [big grin]
Mario

Offline mwolczko

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2019, 03:19 PM »
In your second photo, if you could rotate that wye 45° toward the path of the flex hose you would take that sharp bend out of the flex and improve flow significantly.

The hose you see there is attached to a hand-held sweep, which is stored on hooks below the ceiling. In use, the hose hangs down and the bend is much less acute.

Offline Vondawg

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2019, 06:34 PM »
I also got a lot out of this tread Mario...ordered up the magports and shortened up my flex.....thanks!
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline Gregor

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2019, 07:50 PM »
After

Reduced the flex of 4' shorter.  [smile]

I would do the following: detach the motor from the base and mount in onto the left side wall so the inlet points up and mount the collector directly to the motor part (getting rid of the elbow between the motor and the collector). Then extend the 45° tube at the top while twisting it away from the back wall so it reaches toward the left wall above the inlet, another 45° there to go down with the tubing directly into it.

Upside would be that it would save you the two lower 45° ones and the flex tube (thus removing quite some airflow reduction) and frees the floor space currently occupied by the motor (as it would move up to where the elbow between motor and collector currently is), use a smaller cart to support the bag in case you want to get rid of the now too big rolling base - downside would be that it'll be stationary, unless you hang the motor onto the cleats...
« Last Edit: May 01, 2019, 07:55 PM by Gregor »

Offline travisj

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2019, 09:27 PM »
That’s how I did mine.  I hung the motor on the wall directly connected to the filter which I hung from the ceiling and have the cyclone mounted to a drum below.  It’s not optimal to have a sharp 90 into the cyclone, but for now it will have to do.  (Sorry the shop is a disaster right now.  Stuff everywhere).


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Offline gnlman

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2019, 09:43 PM »
The only issue with doing what Gregor describes is the flanges on the housing and the motor housing won't line up and you'll require a transition piece as one flange will be horizontal and one vertical. I did a mod to same dust collector but added a super dust deputy. Made a big difference and keeps suction at a constant. That dust collector really sucks, and eliminating the elbow and adding the dust deputy seems to be a wash in regards to suction. I don't have a finished picture, but one in progress, I'll try and post it. I had a welder make me a transition piece and it worked great..one thing I should mention is I "borrowed" (with permission) the idea from a nice guy on another forum...lol
Since this picture, I added a set of wheels on the barrel, and raised the deputy(it fits perfectly into the inlet of the fan shroud) and have a hose from the bottom of the deputy into the barrel....no hose between the motor shroud and the dust deputy. If you look close you will see the transition piece between the flanges....sorry there is a bunch of crap in front of it now I'll take another picture if you are interested later tonight or tomorrow once I tidy up a bit...
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Offline travisj

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2019, 11:09 PM »
The only issue with doing what Gregor describes is the flanges on the housing and the motor housing won't line up and you'll require a transition piece as one flange will be horizontal and one vertical. I did a mod to same dust collector but added a super dust deputy. Made a big difference and keeps suction at a constant. That dust collector really sucks, and eliminating the elbow and adding the dust deputy seems to be a wash in regards to suction. I don't have a finished picture, but one in progress, I'll try and post it. I had a welder make me a transition piece and it worked great..one thing I should mention is I "borrowed" (with permission) the idea from a nice guy on another forum...lol
Since this picture, I added a set of wheels on the barrel, and raised the deputy(it fits perfectly into the inlet of the fan shroud) and have a hose from the bottom of the deputy into the barrel....no hose between the motor shroud and the dust deputy. If you look close you will see the transition piece between the flanges....sorry there is a bunch of crap in front of it now I'll take another picture if you are interested later tonight or tomorrow once I tidy up a bit...
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That’s a nice and clean looking setup.  I may have to borrow some of those ideas when I rebuild my system.


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Offline Gregor

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2019, 06:19 AM »
The only issue with doing what Gregor describes is the flanges on the housing and the motor housing won't line up and you'll require a transition piece as one flange will be horizontal and one vertical.
I came up with the idea when mounting a similar system some years back, that one didn't have this problem as the flanges on that one were symmetrical.

But: Them being (within reason) asymetrical is nothing that a power drill, a few nuts and bolts and some sealant can't fix in a few minutes.

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« Last Edit: May 04, 2019, 03:45 AM by Gregor »

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2019, 12:16 AM »
@Gregor that's a very interesting thought. I will probably operate the system as is for a while, just in case I decide to move it some where else in the shop.

@travisj & @gnlman Both, nice setup & thanks for the picture  [thumbs up]

Right now I only did a test at the drill press and suction was more then adequate. In fact I thought of putting some kind of mesh wire to prevent small part to get sucked. I will at the propeller for sure, since I notice some brand have that feature.

The only part left is the drop in the center of the shop for the table/band saws. I have to come up with something that will securely hold that part

to the drop


Okay, time for a poll:

1) Keep the shown part above to connect both power tools
2) Only put a single blast gate and a magport right after the Y
3) Your own option

« Last Edit: May 04, 2019, 12:20 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Offline travisj

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2019, 02:35 AM »
If it were me, I would go with your first option.
1.  You already have the parts and 2. The magports wouldn’t offer you any increased functionality.  It would actually add inefficiency (albeit slight).  In your first picture you only have to open the blast gate whereas with the mag port, you have to open the blast gate and attach a hose.

I think the magports are pretty cool, but in this situation I don’t see any added value by using them.



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Offline Gregor

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2019, 03:52 AM »
@Gregor that's a very interesting thought. I will probably operate the system as is for a while, just in case I decide to move it some where else in the shop.
In case you don't bold it to the wall itself but onto a carrier with cleats... it would stay somewhat mobile.
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Okay, time for a poll:

2) Only put a single blast gate and a magport right after the Y
Simply because you could pull the hose off in case you need the space below for something, like doing a glue-up of a thing that needs the height (that wouldn't be there when attaching the additional Y and gates).

You could still put another Y with additional gates at the two machines should you notice that it's more convenient to have one there.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2019, 05:27 AM »
"I thought of putting some kind of mesh wire to prevent small part to get sucked. I will at the propeller for sure, since I notice some brand have that feature."

This could also cause large shavings from a planer or jointed for example or when cleaning up around the shop from entering the DC and create a partial blockage that would build over time to stop all flow. My point is be careful of what size opening your mesh has that it's not too restrictive.
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2019, 09:39 AM »
Don't you hate it when you realized your self that you have been dishonest  :o. Dishonest with my self and my poor questions. I'm guilty to not provide to you the full picture of my intent. I will clean the shop today and will invite you to the dragon's den.

Prior to start that project, I visualized in my head a bunch of scenarios. Should I go straight to the tool by running the pipe diagonally etc etc.. I drank a lot of coffee on this, perhaps too many.

On going clean up..
Mario

Offline gnlman

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2019, 10:13 AM »
"I thought of putting some kind of mesh wire to prevent small part to get sucked. I will at the propeller for sure, since I notice some brand have that feature."

This could also cause large shavings from a planer or jointed for example or when cleaning up around the shop from entering the DC and create a partial blockage that would build over time to stop all flow. My point is be careful of what size opening your mesh has that it's not too restrictive.

That is one of the nice things about mating the dust collector to a cyclone, or buying a cyclone dust collector. Nothing goes thru the fan...or at least so far....lol
Greg

Offline rmhinden

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2019, 10:48 AM »
Do Magports come in sizes other than 4"/100mm ?

I contacted Magports, they are planning a 5" version.   

Bob

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2019, 11:41 AM »
I would install as many wyes stacked on top of each other as needed for the tools in the area. You have gone to all of this work, don’t stop now and start moving hoses around. You can also stack two wyes and go all the way down to the floor with more straight pipe and create a floor sweep with a blast gate. It is a nice way to provide more stability and get a floor sweep in the bargain.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2019, 11:44 AM »
"I thought of putting some kind of mesh wire to prevent small part to get sucked. I will at the propeller for sure, since I notice some brand have that feature."

This could also cause large shavings from a planer or jointed for example or when cleaning up around the shop from entering the DC and create a partial blockage that would build over time to stop all flow. My point is be careful of what size opening your mesh has that it's not too restrictive.

That is one of the nice things about mating the dust collector to a cyclone, or buying a cyclone dust collector. Nothing goes thru the fan...or at least so far....lol
Greg

I agree, but they put those bars in there for some reason, which thinking about it a little more maybe it has nothing to do with keeping debris out of the fan. On mine there are only two bars, one vertical and one horizontal, so there is room for big stuff to get through and do damage to the fan. So maybe they're there to reinforce the opening in the fan housing, and not to keep junk out of the fan since it should be caught as you say by the separator.
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Offline gnlman

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2019, 02:53 PM »
@Bob D.
Hmm never thought of the bars as being structural.....and I've seen where folks have snipped them off with hopes of increasing suction...I always assumed those bars were meant to catch something like a shop rag or small tool that accidentally gets sucked up. I could see where in some instances it could be keeping the inlet sound though. I would probably never snip mine off (especially now) for both of those reasons.
Thanks,
Greg

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2019, 05:27 PM »
@Bob D.  Thank you for putting a  [big grin] on my face this morning. I'm sure you won't be able to resist to the temptation of showing off your Magport setup [popcorn]

Well, not setup yet. MagPorts just arrived today. But I must say those 2.5" MagPorts are tough to separate. Same number and size magnets as the 4" version. I bet you could get by just fine with only 4 magnets on the 2.5" version. A FT hose is too small, will need an adapter collar. Haven't tried any of my other hoses yet. The 4" should be fine I suspect.
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Online Cheese

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2019, 10:33 AM »
Pertaining to this thread, I just noticed a new Flexaust product. It's a light weight, flexible PVC hose with an ultra smooth interior surface while also having ESD protection. Woodcraft just listed it in their latest catalog.

http://www.flexaust.com/product/flex-tube-pv-sd-lw/



Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2019, 10:35 PM »
Hey @Cheese that's a nice flex hose but can't find it anywhere  [sad]

I did not give up on my system yet. I made some significant change from my original design, will post pictures soon. I just need to clean the shop again  [embarassed]
Mario

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2019, 12:03 AM »
Hey @Cheese that's a nice flex hose but can't find it anywhere  [sad]

I did not give up on my system yet. I made some significant change from my original design, will post pictures soon. I just need to clean the shop again  [embarassed]

Here at Woodcraft ........  https://www.woodcraft.com/search?q=Flexaust&button=search

Seth

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Dust Collection Pipe System
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2019, 12:07 AM »
Thank you Seth  [smile]
Mario