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Offline Tayler_mann

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Shop/Addition build has commenced
« on: May 21, 2016, 06:35 PM »
This weekend marks the first step of the shop and addition my fiancé and I are doing this summer. It started out as just a detached garage and now has became so much more than that. I swear that's the tune whenever a significant other gets involved. I have built several homes before and have a good idea and have a good deal of friends who are either commercial or residential contractors so I am doing the entire build except the foundation work. We will frame it, side it, rood it, drywall, most of the electrical, and all of the finish work on the build.

We are attaching a 900 sqft shop with a 200-300 sqft mudroom and a second floor above the garage attached inside the house with another 900 sqft. The upstairs is going to be our master suite and living room. Now enough about the living space lets get down to the most important part of the build...the shop.

The shop will have 6 ft footing all the way around with a 5" slab rebar 12" on center. The floor will not have a drain and will consist of 9 10' X 10' slabs. The front three will slant out the door for any drainage that might be needed. The back 6 pads will be perfectly flat and level for ease of butting tables, saws and machinery alto eah other with a common height of 900 mm. The slab will have radiant heat and that will be how the shop is heated. It will have 9' ceilings with 2 12' wide doors. Located in the center of the slabs there will be a power box of 4 or 5 220 v circuits and 2 20 A 110 circuits all connected to a 400 amp panel [big grin]. Unfortunately there is not way to get 3 phase in my shop without a converter :'(. The shop will be lit with LED fixtures and they will be a mixture of cool and warm to get a nice natural tone of light. Also all electrical circuits on th build will be 20 amp.

The first step was this weekend to take out half of the drive way and the concrete stairs. I brought my bobcat home from the sign shop and rented a jack hammer for it and broke it all up. Than a friend of mine brought his side dump trailer and we filled it and dumped it. It's extremely satisfying to be starting this build and cannot wait for more to happen.

I will update as the build progresses.


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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2016, 06:40 PM »
CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Can't wait to see the progress.

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2016, 06:54 PM »
sweet dude !    Good luck and have fun !!   [popcorn] [thumbs up]

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2016, 07:23 PM »
Congratulations!  This will be a fun thread to watch!   [popcorn]

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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2016, 06:37 AM »
Gonna be a great summer.  It's awesome to have the power situation figured out from the get go.
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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2016, 09:56 AM »
Tayler-Mann:
we all envy you for the opportunity to build your own customized shop space!
Perhaps you might want to reconsider your ceiling height and go to 10 ft.
When you get done hanging everything that goes on the ceiling you end up with considerably less than 9 ft. And raising the ceiling later would not be an option.
It will be interesting to learn from your your LED lighting experience. Are you choosing "Big ' brand fixtures or something else?

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2016, 11:30 AM »
CONGRATULATIONS

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2016, 11:36 AM »
Tayler-Mann:
we all envy you for the opportunity to build your own customized shop space!
Perhaps you might want to reconsider your ceiling height and go to 10 ft.
When you get done hanging everything that goes on the ceiling you end up with considerably less than 9 ft. And raising the ceiling later would not be an option.
It will be interesting to learn from your your LED lighting experience. Are you choosing "Big ' brand fixtures or something else?

I have to keep the ceilings at 9 ft unfortunately. I did not want a pole in the middle of my shop and I also didn't want to lift a 5000 lb I beam wrapped LVL so the floor trusses have to be 20" to span 30'. I never do bare minimums so I am doing a 24" floor truss to ensure there is no sponginess on the second floor. With all of that said we are at 11', the second floor is than another 9' with scissor rafters adding another 8-10". By the time the roof pitch is added it we come out to 26-28 ft tall with the original house hanging at a mere 18'. Aesthetically it would not look to gooder.

For the lights I am not sure at the time what brands. I buy wholesale prices at our local electrical supply store and get fantastic pricing. It's kind of up to pricing to help me decide what I get.

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2016, 09:04 AM »
So the last few weeks have been a busy one. We had the excavator come and sit out the foundation. Than the footings and foundation walls where set and poured. This week I coated the walls and footing with tar and than wrapped the entire foundation with 1" foam for insulating the heated slab. Today the excavator is back filling and getting it ready for the concrete contractor to grade and prepare for the slab. We should be framing in a few weeks.


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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2016, 04:43 PM »
The floor will consist of 9 10' X 10' slabs. Located in the center of the slabs there will be a power box of 4 or 5 220 v circuits and 2 20 A 110 circuits all connected to a 400 amp panel.

Why so many 220 outlets in each 10'x10' square?  I'd think two 220 outlets and four 110 outlets in each square would be a better choice.  220 is only used for stationary tools in the US.  Once you set the machine in place and plug into the 220 outlet, you are done.  It never moves again.  And with 220 there are maybe half dozen or so machines in the shop.  Set them up around the shop near a 220 outlet.  Done.  But with 110, they are portable and there are lots of them.  So you could in theory have five or six tools all in use at the same time at the same spot.  Would need four outlets.

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2016, 05:46 PM »
The floor will consist of 9 10' X 10' slabs. Located in the center of the slabs there will be a power box of 4 or 5 220 v circuits and 2 20 A 110 circuits all connected to a 400 amp panel.

Why so many 220 outlets in each 10'x10' square?  I'd think two 220 outlets and four 110 outlets in each square would be a better choice.  220 is only used for stationary tools in the US.  Once you set the machine in place and plug into the 220 outlet, you are done.  It never moves again.  And with 220 there are maybe half dozen or so machines in the shop.  Set them up around the shop near a 220 outlet.  Done.  But with 110, they are portable and there are lots of them.  So you could in theory have five or six tools all in use at the same time at the same spot.  Would need four outlets.

That is written confusing. There will be 4 or 5 outlets in the center of the entire shop. My plan is to have all the stationary machines in the center of the shop and benches to the outside. That way there is minimal ductwork to run for the machines. However, I won't pull the wire from the panel till I need it. Also it is more a plan ahead type deal rather than a problem later. My layout might change once I get everything but at least it's all there for future use.

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2016, 06:32 PM »
The floor will consist of 9 10' X 10' slabs. Located in the center of the slabs there will be a power box of 4 or 5 220 v circuits and 2 20 A 110 circuits all connected to a 400 amp panel.

Why so many 220 outlets in each 10'x10' square?  I'd think two 220 outlets and four 110 outlets in each square would be a better choice.  220 is only used for stationary tools in the US.  Once you set the machine in place and plug into the 220 outlet, you are done.  It never moves again.  And with 220 there are maybe half dozen or so machines in the shop.  Set them up around the shop near a 220 outlet.  Done.  But with 110, they are portable and there are lots of them.  So you could in theory have five or six tools all in use at the same time at the same spot.  Would need four outlets.

That is written confusing. There will be 4 or 5 outlets in the center of the entire shop. My plan is to have all the stationary machines in the center of the shop and benches to the outside. That way there is minimal ductwork to run for the machines. However, I won't pull the wire from the panel till I need it. Also it is more a plan ahead type deal rather than a problem later. My layout might change once I get everything but at least it's all there for future use.

OK.  You will have 4-5 or so 220 outlets in the center of the whole shop.  Where all the 220 volt machines are located, in the center.  And a couple 110 outlets in the center for fun just in case.  And lots of 110 outlets along the perimeter in the walls where all the benches are located.

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2016, 04:47 AM »
This weekend marks the first step of the shop and addition my fiancé and I are doing this summer...
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Located in the center of the slabs there will be a power box of 4 or 5 220 v circuits and 2 20 A 110 circuits all connected to a 400 amp panel [big grin]. Unfortunately there is not way to get 3 phase in my shop without a converter :'(. The shop will be lit with LED fixtures and they will be a mixture of cool and warm to get a nice natural tone of light. Also all electrical circuits on th build will be 20 amp.
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So are those going in a orange conduit with some styrofoam or other ends to pull out after for the boxes?
There are conference room floor outlets (110v) that are usually brass and ~6" in diameter...
Some conduit for 3-phase and for any phone or CAT-6 would be easier now than later...

Offline Tayler_mann

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2016, 02:08 PM »
So I took out the electrical boxes in the floor since it is in a residential garage they were a pain in the but to meet code. I'll come up with another plan I suppose. I layed the foam for the heated floor and the pex on top. Than the concrete workers came in and did a 7" slab on top. Unforunetly the next day after they poured it was 110 degrees out. They cut seams in the slab but there was 2 spots that had minor cracking. I was ensured that it wouldn't get worse and they would make it right if it did.

Today all the material for the rough framing, siding and roofing was delivered. We start framing this weekend and hope to have the first floor framed for the most part. The excitement is starting to really build.


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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2016, 02:26 PM »
Sweet project!

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2016, 06:15 PM »
Good for you!!!!. See that shed in the center of the last photo. That's my shop....

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2016, 06:52 PM »
That's tight to the house did you need to put it there for set backs to your property line?

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2016, 09:00 PM »
Nice project! That concrete wall is very nice looking, I've framed many homes and they never have as crisp/clean edges as that.  Keep the floor wet if it hasn't been too long, will cure slower and end up being whiter and harder (so I've been told) we just did it to our driveway last month and no cracks yet.
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Offline Tayler_mann

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2016, 08:17 PM »
So today we got rained out till about 11:00 and could only work till 5:30 because my fiance thought it would be good to make dinner reservations   [mad]. Anyways two of us framed for about 6 1/2 hrs give or take and got 3 walls up and braced. Not to bad of a job but I was hoping to have the floor trusses on today but oh well. It's mad how much bigger spaces seem once walls go up.

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2016, 08:50 PM »
Tayler, that is some great progress, plus you probably got bonus points for not canceling the dinner reservation.
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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2016, 09:17 PM »
So I took out the electrical boxes in the floor since it is in a residential garage they were a pain in the but to meet code. ...

That's too bad.

One thing that they do down under that is different from the states is the incoming water goes down from the top, rather than up from the slab.

Or does it differ by decade or region in the US?

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2016, 09:11 AM »
Water lines need to be deep enough to prevent freezing in areas that get frost.
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« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2016, 08:15 PM »
Where I live now, 12 inches is deep enough to avoid frost heave.  Other places in the U. S. I've lived it was 4 feet.  It varies widely, in other words. 

Offline Tayler_mann

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2016, 12:16 AM »
So yesterday we made good progress on the addition. We built the north wall with the garage doors and put the header in for the walk through door from the garage to the mid room. Than we built the 10 ft load wall for the stair well and to rest the trusses. Than we set all the trusses and sheeted the top. It was a lot of work for one day and didn't quite get it all done and had to finish the last 5 or 6 sheets.

Now I will have to leave the addition for awhile and go finish the dental practice I am working on. After that my fiancé and I are off to the Prince of Wales hotel in Canada to get married. So there won't be anymore progress till we arrive home the 16th of August.

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2017, 11:35 PM »
One year later and I have finally finished the entire addition. I never had anytime throughout the build so I dropped off the Earth for the year. The bank put us to a tight deadline and with some unfortunate circumstances we were put in I had to do everything from framing-electrical-plumbing-insulation-drywall-and all the finishes.

I figured I'd bring the thread alive and continue where I left off

So after my last post on this thread my wife and I went to the prince of wales in Watertown, Alberta Canada to get married. When we returned back home it was back to work.

We started the second floor got it sheeted and wrapped. Went pretty quickly but I didn't have any help so i had to put up 9' walls on a second floor by myself. It was a challenge but I was lucky my new wife could help level the walls and brace them. I had a hand sheeting wrapping and setting the windows though.

More to come...some progress photos.

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2017, 11:53 PM »
After we got the house wrapped we hit hard with siding. We used LP smart side with a 15 year paint and a 6 inch lap. We also made all the trim ourselves out of rough sawn  cedar. We prefinished each piece of cedar before cutting to size and glueing. We used a marine grade spar varnish from Pratt lambert called vitralite. I've been using it for years on Cedar signs and had great luck with it. I figure after year one I'll have to scrape and refinish. After that I don't think I'll have to re-coat for five years. I glued the frames together before putting them on the house and used 4 8mm mahogany dominos in each joint.

Unfortunately we didn't start siding until a week before thanksgiving and didn't give us enough time to finish before the snow came in. Most winters I would easily of finished after the first snow however we got continuously pounded with snow until we had a good 4-5' drift against our the house. We ended up getting so much snow after one of the storms our plows were not able to move the snow and had to rely on contractors around town with their front end loaders.

It was a rough winter but instead of siding I moved into the inside and figured it would be fine without siding since it was at least wrapped.

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Re: Shop/Addition build has commenced
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2017, 10:32 AM »
Will your new shop be multi level ,or is the 2nd floor planned for something else ?
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