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Offline Bikeboy80

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Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« on: December 01, 2012, 02:16 PM »
I had the chance to get down and dirty (or lack of dirt) with my new Festool Planex and CT36 Auto Clean. I wanted to share some of the tricks I learned very quickly while removing texture from a client's ceiling.

Nasty stuff:


To start off let's take a look at the CT36:


When removing a large amount of material such as a textured ceiling I found turning the Auto Clean knob (on the left) all the way up seemed to work best to keep the dust disappearing into the dust collector. I also kept the suction knob (middle knob) at close to full power to help. The right knob is of course set to auto when using the Planex. You will also notice that I added the optional blast gate, after using it though I use the work optional very lightly. To use the blast gate for a full clean you do so by turning the Planex off, reaching down shutting the gate and turning the power know down to "AC". The collector will turn on give a few cleaning "knocks" and shut back off. Just remember to open the blast gate back up before starting to sand again. (Believe me I did it only once! [scared]) I found that doing a deep clean every 10-15 minutes seemed to greatly increase the amount sucked into the collector.

Next let's take a look at the Planex:


I found that putting the sander head on the ground to put the sections together worked best. The sections slide together and two metal levers clamp them together, then the electrical connection slides in and clips down.


At the handle the hose slides in and the "keeper" rotates up to hold the hose on. Take note of the green release button, I missed it the first time I opened it.


Just above the handle is the on/off switch with the speed control just above it. I found 5-6 worked best for the texture removal. On either side of the handle is the suction control. For regular drywall use this can really make a difference in the perceived weight of the tool, I did not notice much of a difference when sanding the rough surface. But setting it at max seemed to help with the debris collection.


Last but not least is the sander head. The front edge of the brushes can be removed for sanding right up to corners but more importantly is another green switch. This controls the source of suction either middle of the head or around the edges. For textured ceilings the edge setting will pick up the larger debris.

So now let's get down to business:



Fire the Planex up and start sanding! I found that the sander head wants to "hang" down towards you when it is held up near the ceiling. If you try to gently have it make contact the far edge of the head wants to dig in, but if you "flop" it on to the ceiling in a somewhat quick motion it has no problems.

While the sander is comfortable to use over head I don't think I would want to sand a whole ceiling holding it over my head, so I also picked up the harness:



I tried a few different variations of positioning it and you can see the way I found it to be most comfortable. Adjusting the "pocket" that the pole rests in was key, moving it as high as possible allowed freedom to move around the room. As for sanding the ceiling I found that working the sander head forward and back worked better then side to side. Side to side the front edge of the head wanted to dig in, moving the other way produced superior results. Also pulling the sander head gently away from the surface when stopping or moving to another spot seem to really let the collector suck up the dust.

One tip that I found to be a pleasant surprise:



The hose garage can be used to hold the sander upright to change abrasives! For this ceiling I used 150 grit and the texture came off very easy, in another room I had to use 80 grit. Seems like less is more though so you don't tear into the paper.

The finished product:



The ceiling came out smooth and ready for paint. (Or at least the areas that the drywall tape had not pulled earlier)

I pulled out my "drywall" systainer and got a good first coat of mud on. It already looks better!



I hope you all enjoyed this demonstration, let me know if there are any questions!

Brian





[ Edited to correct spelling of "Planex" - Shane ]
« Last Edit: December 26, 2012, 02:17 PM by SRSemenza »
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Offline Deansocial

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2012, 02:33 PM »
How long did this take to get it paint ready?

Offline RonMiller

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 02:40 PM »
Very nice and useful. Thanks!
Ron

Offline Bikeboy80

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2012, 02:58 PM »
How long did this take to get it paint ready?

I knew that I forgot something...took 3 hrs for about 350sf and went through three sheets of 150grit.
The Green Koolaid sure is sweet...

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Offline andyman

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2012, 03:40 PM »
I take it this is similar to artex in uk, do you have issues with asbestos fibres in your older textured ceilings?

Offline Frank Pellow

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2012, 03:49 PM »
Good demonstration, thanks.

I have sanded a couple of ceilings using a Rotex 150 and those jobs were tough.  I'm fortunate that I don't have to do the job very often but, if I did, I would certainly purchase a Planex and a harness for same.  Maybe the next time I need to do such a job, I will be able to rent a Planex somewhere.



[ Edited to correct spelling of "Planex" - Shane ]
« Last Edit: December 01, 2012, 04:10 PM by Shane Holland »
Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

Offline ScotF

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2012, 04:35 PM »
Great demonstration.  It looks like the ceiling came out really nice...cool to see this tool in use.  I could see this being a huge time saver if doing drywall work often.

Scot

Offline Bikeboy80

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2012, 04:40 PM »
I take it this is similar to artex in uk, do you have issues with asbestos fibres in your older textured ceilings?

Yes it was outlawed in 1978, and could appear in homes slightly new while existing stocks were used up. This home was built in the early eighties, and the rooms with the popcorn were remodeled in the late eighties and had the texture installed.
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Offline Deansocial

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2012, 04:56 PM »
I take it this is similar to artex in uk, do you have issues with asbestos fibres in your older textured ceilings?

It only in the region of 0.01%

Offline tjbnwi

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2012, 08:39 PM »
Very nice demo. 

Tom

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2012, 06:12 AM »
A very nice job. 

The old taping appears to have been very rough, especially along the horizontal to vertical seams. Did you run into any problems with catching on some of those (bubble) spots and ripping into the dry wall itself. 

When I was doing masonry, i did drywall taping in the winter for a few years until i had enough work to keep me going thru the winter without getting involved with taping.  I had a few repair jobs along the way whhere it would have been quite handy to have had the Planex to make it easier.  For the very rough jobs, we used a long handled scraper. (i called it a "Barn floor scraper" having used the same tool for cleaning dried manure & mud off of the floor of the cow barn/milking area)  Once the lumps were knocked off, we had to do the rest of the sanding with hand tools.  As I began to phase out of dry wall work, I started by refusing to do any repair work unless complete removal,  That was much quicker and cleaner than trying to make large repairs to a rough finish. 

Maybe the Planex would have kept me just a little busier for those years. [scratch chin]
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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2012, 06:58 AM »
The tape job was one of the worst I've seen, the homeowner had attempted repairs over the failing tape. I went around the room with taping knife and pealed back all of the trouble spots which ended up being about 2/3s of the room. There was only one spot that the Planex caught the end of some tape, but it just pulled an extra 1/2 inch of it off and I trimmed it before retaping.

I am a remodeling contractor and end up doing drywall repair work all the time. I have really gotten quite good at taping and finishing over the last few years even in less then ideal situations. Up to now anytime the work has involved a texture we have recommended to the client to install a second layer of drywall and leave the first intact. We also usually offer to install crown moulding around the room also in place of finishing the corners.

On this job we had offered this option but cost was a real issue, so we decided to give the Planex a shot and it surely saved time and material costs.
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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2012, 08:48 AM »
All of the drywall repairs that I got involved with were results of DIY'ers.  There are certain projects that can get very costly when attempted with no background experience.  I have done many projects that cost the client more than double what they saved by doing themselves.  The Planex looks like a real winner for remodelers.
Tinker
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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2012, 11:58 AM »
Thank you so much for the review. Can you provide more details on:
>Workflow for the edges and corners (assuming plan ex cannot get corners but does it do edges of walls/ceilings well?)
>Dust collection. Estimated % of dust collection when you had all your settings optimized. Do you feel like your client could have safely been sleeping in the room next door (sound aside).
>Emptying the bag. How many bags for the job? Was emptying the bag and taking it outside a clean dustless process?
>Efficiency and effort. Do you feel this saved you time and wear and tear on your body vs. Traditional methods?  Would that change on bigger jobs you think?

Thanks again!

Suppose I can get one myself to try but don't even want to go through the trouble if it won't do what it needs to do for me.

Offline Tim Raleigh

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2012, 02:31 PM »
Great demo and write up. Thanks.
How much dust was left on the floor?
When/if you have done this in the past how did you remove the popcorn - spraying water on the ceiling and then scraping and sanding?
Thanks again.
Tim

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2012, 04:21 PM »
Thank you so much for the review. Can you provide more details on:
>Workflow for the edges and corners (assuming plan ex cannot get corners but does it do edges of walls/ceilings well?)
>Dust collection. Estimated % of dust collection when you had all your settings optimized. Do you feel like your client could have safely been sleeping in the room next door (sound aside).
>Emptying the bag. How many bags for the job? Was emptying the bag and taking it outside a clean dustless process?
>Efficiency and effort. Do you feel this saved you time and wear and tear on your body vs. Traditional methods?  Would that change on bigger jobs you think?

Thanks again!

Suppose I can get one myself to try but don't even want to go through the trouble if it won't do what it needs to do for me.

The Planex did a decent job against the walls but I did clean up some spots with an RO90 both at the edges and corners.

I would say it collected 99% of the dust, if it was a finished room I would have still put down some type of floor covering down and used the vac afterwards. If I was completely confident that there was no asbestos present like new drywall finishing I would have no problems working without a respirator.

The bag was about 3/4 full, the CT36 must have weighed 70-80lbs. I did take it outside to empty the bag but using the plastic one included with the unit was painless and again virtually dustless. There is a door to slide over the inlet and a zip tie taped to the side of the bag to close up the top.

On this particular job I probably could have sprayed and scraped the ceiling faster, BUT once you add in the time to clean up the associated mess on the floor I'm not that sure. It surely saved time over installing a second layer of drywall and finishing. My arms were tired afterwards but I don't think anymore then either scraping or hanging a room full of drywall.

Hope that helps!
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Offline dfwHomeRepair

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2012, 08:03 PM »
I have been using the Planex for popcorn removal since I got it earlier this year.  As far as I know I wan one of the first in the Dallas area to have one.

I always cover the floor and I use 24 & 36 grit paper for the removal, much faster and with a little care will not damage the drywall.

Once the skim coat in on I follow up with a sanding in a much finer grit and finish to customer specifications.

Here is a short video on my crew at work on one of the projects.



I have the harness too but I have only tried to use it on one job and was absolutely disappointed with how it worked out.  I guess I need give it another shot and see if I can work the bugs out with the harness.

Offline Bikeboy80

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2012, 08:11 PM »
Being a new user I was so worried about ripping through the paper. It's good to know that you have had good luck with the rougher grits. I'll have to order some and try it out on the next job.
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Offline Tinker

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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2012, 05:17 AM »
I have tried a Planex at a demo.  the thing looks like it must weigh a ton.  I was very surprised at how little it does weigh (maybe a total of a couple of minutes)  I suppose it might get heavier as a day goes on.  i always found that plaster gained weight as the day wet on.  Sanding out a bad job was always heavy right from the start.  I hated those kind of jobs.

How does OSHA feel about using a planex without using dust masks?  I use my Festoy sanders in my own shop without any mask for much of my work, but I often wonder how they would react if i worked on a jobsite with no mask.
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RE: Entry 9 - Demonstration of Planex to Remove Textured Popcorn Ceiling
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2012, 06:27 PM »
No idea how OSHA would react. Luckily my business is just my father and I with no other employees so no OSHA worries for us!
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