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Offline Dan Clermont

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Price Change for Canadians
« on: January 04, 2010, 11:37 AM »
Got a call this morning from the Canadian Festool rep and they have adjusted the Canadian prices due to the dollar. The new price on the TS 55 is $632.50 plus tax.

Best to call or e-mail for prices as it could take awhile for me to get the pricing up on the website.

All orders placed from Jan 1 till today will be adjusted with a credit.

Gotta get back to work

Dan Clermont
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Offline felderbc

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2010, 12:14 PM »
Wow Dan, you are way too fast! I was just about to post that myself. Happy New Year everyone, I'm sure these new prices will help with that.
-Chris
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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2010, 12:50 PM »
That's good news.

Does it mean that the systainer prices will now match those recently announced by Lee Valley?  Maybe we have Lee Valley to thank for the fact that Festool finally woke up and noticed the larger than normal price gap.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2010, 01:14 PM by Frank Pellow »
Cheers,   
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Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2010, 12:58 PM »
So is the TS55 the only tool that gets this new price for you guys up North? Seems odd that the 55 is the only tool that is affected by the equality of the US and Canadian dollar.   [tongue]

Offline Dan Clermont

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2010, 01:11 PM »
All prices have changed and we are tweaking the site prices to match our invoicing software.

Go to Ultimate Tools to see the prices.

warning - we are still working on updating the prices so their may be some issues at this time

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Offline EcoFurniture

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2010, 05:03 PM »
Now we are talking!
Kapex now $300 less!!!!! Too bad I don't need anything right now [tongue]

Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2010, 07:08 PM »
The prices are still way higher than the american ones though!!

Offline okrauth

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2010, 07:14 PM »
I missed it by a few days.... got it from Dan at the old higher price..  [sad]
However, it is a beautiful machine, no regrets!!! [smile]

otto

Offline Kevin D.

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2010, 11:00 PM »
Now we are talking!
Kapex now $300 less!!!!! Too bad I don't need anything right now [tongue]

Where did you see it drop by that much?

I don't see the drop that much on Dan's site.  Wasn't it $1787 previously?  Now down to $1643 CDA.

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Offline bionicus

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2010, 11:53 PM »
Looks like an 8% price drop across the board. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Offline Inner10

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2010, 12:11 AM »
Glad to see things are starting to balance out a bit. [big grin]

Still festool's price fixing burns my bottom a little. [mad]

Offline Kevin D.

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2010, 12:24 AM »
Glad to see things are starting to balance out a bit. [big grin]

Still festool's price fixing burns my bottom a little. [mad]

You need the Festool Derriere Cooler Pad.  [scared]  Oh, sorry, still not available in North America perhaps. ;D

I know its crazy, but they're not the only company that does this, although a rarety in the retail tool category.  At least we know that Festool takes some of this pricing and plows it back into R&D, which is more than I can say for most other tool manufacturers.  You're paying for innovation, or at least that's what I try to tell myself when I look at the bill. :'(
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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2010, 12:45 AM »
Hey Kevin, it's good to see you posting here. [welcome] 

And, even better to know that you finally took the Festool plunge after I have been bugging you about their tools for many years.
Cheers,   
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Offline Inner10

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2010, 01:03 AM »
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I know its crazy, but they're not the only company that does this, although a rarety in the retail tool category.

Got that right!  Our whole "free market" is a joke.

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At least we know that Festool takes some of this pricing and plows it back into R&D, which is more than I can say for most other tool manufacturers.  You're paying for innovation, or at least that's what I try to tell myself when I look at the bill.

Indeed and it is worth it; thats why we're here.  After studying accounting and then electrical I decided to get another degree, in economics (part time at university)...so I've been on a bit of an economics kick. [embarassed]

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2010, 11:04 AM »
Given the track record for yearly price increases in the spring, I'd move fast if I were you guys.

Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2010, 04:14 PM »
I'm sorry to learn that the price of systainers remians higher than that charged by Lee Valley.  For example

Systainer 1:                Festool:  $73.36       Lee Valley:     $62.00

Systainer 5:                Festool:  $101.13     Lee Valley:     $84.50
 
9 Drawer Sortainer:    Festool:  $159.87     Lee Valley:   $138.00 

If I were a Canadain Festool dealer attempting to establish a little known product line in Canada and competing with a well known and respected company like Lee Valley, I would be quite upset with Festool.
Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

Offline Inner10

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2010, 04:28 PM »
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I'm sorry to learn that the price of systainers remians higher than that charged by Lee Valley. 

Absolutely,  I will be the first to admit that the sale would have otherwise gone straight to Dan.  I realize it may sound harsh but a plastic container to me is nothing but a commodity and I will purchase it on the basis of price and convenience.  Not to mention if you feel a TANOS handle you will never look at a festool again.

Offline Alex2

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2010, 04:38 PM »
I've placed an order for a Laguna LT16HD bandsaw and a Hammer A331 planer/jointer combo machine, both from canadian dealers. Final prices were pretty close if not on par with US prices (exchange rate taken in account of course). So why is Festool, also distributing european tools, not doing the same ? 5-10% over maybe, 25% not !

Cheers,

Alex

Offline Inner10

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2010, 04:43 PM »
Because they can.

"Bend over eh?  Sure eh! No problem eh!" [big grin]

Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2010, 04:53 PM »
You got to look at the logistics part of it.

I would think the more dealers they establish the more the pricing will be same in north america.

Offline Pete Pedisich

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2010, 04:57 PM »
I think Festool make what they feel is the most practical decision on a country by country basis.
They wish to succeed in the US market, and realize we are very price tag sensitive, and sell at a lower profit margin to gain a foothold in the market.
Other countries, used to higher prices on tools, have a higher 'price tag' tolerance.
My dad paid (in adjusted dollars) much higher prices for contractor grade power tools than I do now, maybe not quite Festool prices, though.
I feel bad for the Canadians, it certainly does not seem fair, but the Australians and many others have much higher prices than the US on Festool.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 05:00 PM by Pete Pedisich »

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2010, 05:29 PM »
I'm sorry to learn that the price of systainers remians higher than that charged by Lee Valley.  For example

Systainer 1:                Festool:  $73.36       Lee Valley:     $62.00

Systainer 5:                Festool:  $101.13     Lee Valley:     $84.50
 
9 Drawer Sortainer:    Festool:  $159.87     Lee Valley:   $138.00  

If I were a Canadain Festool dealer attempting to establish a little known product line in Canada and competing with a well known and respected company like Lee Valley, I would be quite upset with Festool.

Frank,

I understand your feelings about the longstanding pricing and what is felt to be a lack of equivalence even when the money exchange rates are taken into account.  But I offer this as a thought.  If I understand correctly, the prices above are for a Festool Systainer and then a Tanos Systainer being sold by Lee Valley.

Tanos and Festool are owned by the same company.  Festool buys systainers from Tanos and has them modified with the colored latches, etc.  They then either sell them as their systainers or makes them part of the tool sale.  They will mark up the product when they sell them directly to the public thru their dealers just like anyone in retail will do if they want to stay in business.  We know that the Europen companies are big on one price to all.  I'd venture a guess that Tanos sells their systainers to the European tool companies who package them with their tools for the same price as they do to Festool.  If Tanos sells directly to the customer thru their dealers then there is one less layer of markup.

The European method is different than ours because they expect each part to be accountable and profitable.  If not, well guess what.  So each subsidiary sells and the next subsidiary adds on their profit.

I guess I'm saying that this might not be the best example of inequity in pricing because there is another layer of profit involved.  Now, granted, Festool may see their sales of systainers drop and the sales of Tano stuff increase.  If you are business and have two companies, how much does it hurt you to lose sales to yourself?

Just my thoughts.

Respectfully,

Peter
« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 05:35 PM by Peter Halle »

Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2010, 08:02 PM »
Peter, I agree with a lot of what you say , but the bottom line is that:

  • In the USA, Festool has chosen to match Tanos Prices (charged by MySystainer.com among others)


    • In Canada, Festool has chosen not to match Tanos Prices (charged by Lee Valley)
« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 08:05 PM by Frank Pellow »
Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2010, 03:48 AM »
Well, be happy you at least get the Tanos systainers cheaper than Festool's. In Holland the importer adds another 15% on Tanos' prices, making them more expensive than Festool's.

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2010, 07:41 AM »
Peter, I agree with a lot of what you say , but the bottom line is that:

  • In the USA, Festool has chosen to match Tanos Prices (charged by MySystainer.com among others)


    • In Canada, Festool has chosen not to match Tanos Prices (charged by Lee Valley)
Frank,

I guess all I can say is that I wonder if that will be a temporary situation.  Spring is on the horizon and the annual price adjustments typically happen then.  Maybe there will be good news in Canada for the Festoolers.  I hope it comes out that way.

Peter

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Offline RL

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Re: Price Change for Canadians
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2010, 11:54 AM »
I received a cheque in the mail today from Lee Valley. They recently lowered their prices for a bunch of tools and in line with their price reduction guidelines sent me a refund for a tool I purchased almost two months ago! I had no idea they did this. I also noticed that as far as I could see, their US dollar and Canadian dollar prices are identical now.

How amazing is that customer service?!!!

Mind you, I cannot really call it a refund because I took the cheque and put it towards a new plane I was eyeing! So it actually cost me money! By the way, their #4 smoothing plane is now $199. That is an amazing price for a fantastic tool.

Richard.