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Offline Kev

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #330 on: July 05, 2016, 01:57 AM »

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Wouldn't you "prefer" that Festool continued to service their loyal metric Festool customers...
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Really once they have purchased it then that is done and dusted, and the new customer is next.

As to buying FT for quality, it is generally safe, but it can be questionable for any specific tool.
I am thinking about the plunge saws and rails, and jigsaws. It is not 100% clear that they are far and away "the best", but they quality.

Then there are people wanting tools that already exist to be peddled by Festool.
So if they have a psychologist and marketing person they may be better off than just having an engineer. Basically many just want to get a festool even if something else exists abs is just as good.

What's wrong with ...

Do you think Festool will make a better one as they always claim?


It's not GREEN! ;)

@Holmz why would you take half of a sentence and try and confuse it so that it's completely out of context??

I'm trying to offer constructive input around a problem that a group of very loyal Festool NA customers are facing and attempting to get the wider audience to support a rally towards a better solution for all in NA and you offer ...

     Really once they have purchased it then that is done and dusted, and the new customer is next.

... no it's not! The entire point is we're talking about an integrated system as well as the continued availability of tools calibrated in the system that has been available to date.

I get that you really don't give a sausage about what could happen to Festool globally if there's a significant impact to their business from bad go to market decisions in NA ... but I DO CARE and although you obviously don't care about the FOGgers that are invested in Festool as well as the metric system, that are being treated as collateral damage by Festool NA with their new "master plan", I DO CARE ABOUT THEM.

I want Festool to make good and successful business decisions everywhere, that drive positive growth and create opportunity for them to introduce new and innovative tools that I can enjoy in the future. All the opinions I express here (both positive and negative) are contributed with the goal of helping shape better Festool offerings.

Your contributions always seem to be driving people away from Festool towards Mafell, Mirka, Lamello, etc and on this thread you seem to just want to offer nothing relevant to the actual issue being discussed [mad]

The last part of your "deep insight" statement ...

     Really once they have purchased it then that is done and dusted, and the new customer is next.

... show's an amazing lack of empathy. I didn't realise there were still people about that thought like that .. so I've learnt something!

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #331 on: July 05, 2016, 02:12 AM »
Easy @Kev... I am not a businessman, manager, nor marketing type, so my guessing may be off base.

I think we agree it would be nice if they cared, but I do not know if they care or not... As it is not an NGO I would suspect that they are solely looking at the bottom line.

Since it seems to be the track saw that is first in line I am guessing that they can move a lot of units if they go imperial. Otherwise why would they? It is too much work to do unless it made sense monitarily.

Whether they care or not, I am not accusing either of us of not caring. Just suggesting that if I was in sales I would probably care mostly about how much I could sell. Since I am not in sales, maybe I am selling myself short?
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Offline Kev

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #332 on: July 05, 2016, 02:51 AM »
Easy @Kev... I am not a businessman, manager, nor marketing type, so my guessing may be off base.

I think we agree it would be nice if they cared, but I do not know if they care or not... As it is not an NGO I would suspect that they are solely looking at the bottom line.

Since it seems to be the track saw that is first in line I am guessing that they can move a lot of units if they go imperial. Otherwise why would they? It is too much work to do unless it made sense monitarily.

Whether they care or not, I am not accusing either of us of not caring. Just suggesting that if I was in sales I would probably care mostly about how much I could sell. Since I am not in sales, maybe I am selling myself short?

Well @Holmz assuming your evil master plan isn't to single handedly bring about the downfall of Festool .. how do they sell the range beyond the track saw and the router and how do they dance around their other tools and accessories that have calibrations being metric?

Unlike Oz and less like Europe .. a fair percentage of Festool NA's sales are probably online. So ... a guy buys an "imperial" Festool track saw and 3 month later decides he likes the idea of the Domino. oops!

A guy walks into a retail store and really likes a track saw, so he asks to see the rest of the range ... "But why is this other stuff only metric?". oops!

... and we've done the partly invested Festool metric convert problem to death in this thread.

Festool NA either do or don't have a complete sales strategy, either way it seems they won't share it. So this change could either be a first step towards more imperial offerings or they could be making a one step panic reaction towards a market that's getting flooded with competing track saws and vastly improving routers with DC.

Something else that could be an eventuality ... take the "imperial" stumbling block out of the equation and you're still left with a high price. The track saws and routers don't benefit from variable DC, so the natural behaviour of a retailer will be not to offer a Festool dc, but to suggest a cheaper alternative. That's another oops!

Offline Holmz

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #333 on: July 05, 2016, 03:49 AM »
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Well @Holmz assuming your evil master plan isn't to single handedly bring about the downfall of Festool .. how do they sell the range beyond the track saw and the router and how do they dance around their other tools and accessories that have calibrations being metric?
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I dunno. I have no evil master plan, and I did not encourage FT to move to imperial.
So I am not sure how I could bring down Festool.
But it would appear that many tools would need relabelling.


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Festool NA either do or don't have a complete sales strategy, either way it seems they won't share it. So this change could either be a first step towards more imperial offerings or they could be making a one step panic reaction towards a market that's getting flooded with competing track saws and vastly improving routers with DC.
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I think we agree ^here^.
 
@Kev I would not want to play chess with you as you think by the effects projecting ahead in time. ;)

Is the "flooding of the market" affecting their customer base?
Or...
their potential customer base?
Are they making a run to compete on a larger market?

I dunno...

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #334 on: July 05, 2016, 05:48 AM »
Erock texted me last night and told me about this thread. And after a lot of thought over night I do agree with him. It's a sad situation that Festool USA has put themselves in. I will not be purchasing any imperial versions of any Festool power tools. As my saw, routers, etc die off I will just look for imperial scaled alternative tools. I won't go into all the reasons why, most of the reasons are already stated on this thread. I do hope however that Festool USA gains enough new customers to balance out the ones who are leaving. Not sure on that number but you can add me to that list. After investing almost 9-10 grand into their tools they can be sure not one more dollar will come from me.

Jeremiah
I love to watch FOG members fawn over new people to the FOG by saying Welcome and putting up the emoji. It's very pretentious. No one really cares. Imperial sucks. Go metric.

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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #335 on: July 05, 2016, 09:18 AM »

Based on the announcement I'd argue there is no imperial system being put in place and the system built around metric is being (partially) obscured in NA. It's a bizarre kludge to say the least.

Agreed. As near as I can determine from the Festool announcement the tools are metric with a imperial patch.


The system will no longer exist for current METRIC users. After all we all bought into a SYSTEM. Now that SYSTEM is being taken away and replaced with a IMPERIAL SYSTEM.

My understanding from the website is that Festool service dept will help with any metric conversions. Not exactly convenient, and needs some clarification as to how much support will be offered but to date Festool has been reasonably good about getting parts.
I doubt even Festool US knows if or when they will discontinue servicing and stocking metric parts.
Tim

Offline JCLP

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #336 on: July 05, 2016, 10:44 AM »
Thanks Shane for the update.
I hate it when a company forces it's Canadian users to go backwards. Imperial sizes are dead.
The top 20 Softwood/Hardwood producers in North America account for over 60% of all lumber sold in Canada and the US. In order for them to stay competitive in the gloobal market,all of their lumber is milled using metric numbers. The imperial numbers published in their specs are nominal sizes and not actual. The world outside of the US, and there is one, works with metric and will not accept imperial sizes. Example, when they publish 3/4" they actually mean 19mm. When the publish 1/4", they actually mean 6mm and so on. Nominal sizes and actual sizes are 2 different things. Plunging your track saw 1/2", plus the height of the rail, will not give you 1/2" as 1/2" plywood is actually 12mm.

Not happy about this move. But I guess American marketing professionals no better then us Canadians. I hate it when US companies tell us Canadians how to work.

Just my 2 cents worth.





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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #337 on: July 05, 2016, 11:13 AM »
Erock texted me last night and told me about this thread. And after a lot of thought over night I do agree with him. It's a sad situation that Festool USA has put themselves in. I will not be purchasing any imperial versions of any Festool power tools. As my saw, routers, etc die off I will just look for imperial scaled alternative tools. I won't go into all the reasons why, most of the reasons are already stated on this thread. I do hope however that Festool USA gains enough new customers to balance out the ones who are leaving. Not sure on that number but you can add me to that list. After investing almost 9-10 grand into their tools they can be sure not one more dollar will come from me.

Jeremiah

Is this a typo? You won't buy Festool Imperial tools but you will buy Imperial tools from other manufacturers?

Offline Kev

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #338 on: July 05, 2016, 11:28 AM »
Erock texted me last night and told me about this thread. And after a lot of thought over night I do agree with him. It's a sad situation that Festool USA has put themselves in. I will not be purchasing any imperial versions of any Festool power tools. As my saw, routers, etc die off I will just look for imperial scaled alternative tools. I won't go into all the reasons why, most of the reasons are already stated on this thread. I do hope however that Festool USA gains enough new customers to balance out the ones who are leaving. Not sure on that number but you can add me to that list. After investing almost 9-10 grand into their tools they can be sure not one more dollar will come from me.

Jeremiah

Is this a typo? You won't buy Festool Imperial tools but you will buy Imperial tools from other manufacturers?

It's either a typo or a statement of solidarity. In either case, they're not happy with the direction!

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #339 on: July 05, 2016, 11:30 AM »
Yes typo, I meant Metric. Thanks for the observation.  [eek] 8)
I love to watch FOG members fawn over new people to the FOG by saying Welcome and putting up the emoji. It's very pretentious. No one really cares. Imperial sucks. Go metric.

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #340 on: July 05, 2016, 11:42 AM »
Start shopping elsewhere.

"The imperial scale tools are now in stock and ready to ship."

At least we were informed of the change in advance.  [unsure]

Offline JCLP

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #341 on: July 05, 2016, 11:46 AM »
Interesting. Festool is now advertizing their 1400mm guide rail as a 55" Guide rail. It proves my point that Imperial is dead and the the US works with nominal sizes when it comes to lumber. In order to stay competitive and be able to sell lumber outside the US, lumber is produced to actual metric sizes but sold with nominal dimensions on the label. The rails are actually 1400mm long and close to 54 7/8".
A 1/2", plus the thickness of the guide rail ( which is metric sized ) setting on the saw,  will not give you a 1/2" plunge. The Imperial tools will be less accurate then the metric ones.

What happens when the Domino goes imperial and the stop manufacturing metric sized Dominos. Could become and expensive upgrade in the future if they choose to do this and you need to replace your cutters to fit imperial dominos.

My 2 cents.
JC



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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #342 on: July 05, 2016, 11:48 AM »
Thread summary:

"I've been using silkscreened scales on mass-produced power tools under the impression that they were capable of offering machinist-level accuracy my entire life and all those clowns have been wasting their money on mills with DRO scales because they weren't as cool as me. I'm done with Festool!"

"Hey guys, did you hear? I'm done with Festool!"

"No really, I mean it. I'm done. Festool's totally off my radar now."

"Any day now I'm going to be done with Festool and get on with my life. Just you wait."

"For serious bro, me and Festool? Splitsville."

"Why isn't anyone taking me seriously? I hope I get hit by a car so Festool will really be sorry!"

"If Festool is elected president I'm totally moving to Canada. No joke. It's going to happen."

*texts friends*

"Hey guys did you hear about that one guy who's done with Festool? Well I know him personally and he really means it. I'm done with Festool as well."




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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #343 on: July 05, 2016, 11:50 AM »
Wauw so it really happened, I don't know really what to think about this hmm. I'm metric here, I guess we have to convert everything we say on the fog to imperial now if we want to be sure it's understood...I'll foot the bill, he was inches a way from taking a leap into the nowhere . I think if I keep talking nonsense I'll have to make a fifty yard dash to escape the mob of mectricians that would beat me to within 25.4mm's of my life..
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #344 on: July 05, 2016, 12:24 PM »
I've had some inquiries about the metric versions, which WILL BE DISCONTINUED. We have stock and will continue to offer the metric versions as long as Festool has inventory.
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #345 on: July 05, 2016, 12:26 PM »
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?

@Peter_C, Festool has not indicated that the metric versions will be excluded from catalog pricing at this time. IF it happens, I suspect it will not happen for several months and by then most dealers will be sold out.
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #346 on: July 05, 2016, 12:31 PM »
Has Festool told dealers they can not re-stock metric only versions of the affected tools?

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #347 on: July 05, 2016, 12:35 PM »
Has Festool told dealers they can not re-stock metric only versions of the affected tools?

@Michael Kellough, the communication was that metric tools would basically run out at some point and no longer be offered.

Of course, only Festool knows their inventory on hand and the rate at which the tools are selling out. So, not ETA on when this will happen.

We are committed to offering metric tools for as long as possible to our customers to give them the option of metric or imperial.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #348 on: July 05, 2016, 12:36 PM »
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?

@Peter_C, Festool has not indicated that the metric versions will be excluded from catalog pricing at this time. IF it happens, I suspect it will not happen for several months and by then most dealers will be sold out.
Now that is straight up greed knowing they can sell out fairly quickly. As we all know in the past they quickly put discontinued items on sale, often for almost 1/2 price. My OF2000 router is a perfect example.

Thanks for the reply Shane. Let us know if you can sell at a discounted price please.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #349 on: July 05, 2016, 12:44 PM »
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?

@Peter_C, Festool has not indicated that the metric versions will be excluded from catalog pricing at this time. IF it happens, I suspect it will not happen for several months and by then most dealers will be sold out.
Now that is straight up greed knowing they can sell out fairly quickly. As we all know in the past they quickly put discontinued items on sale, often for almost 1/2 price. My OF2000 router is a perfect example.

Thanks for the reply Shane. Let us know if you can sell at a discounted price please.

Greed on whose part?

Scarcity increases value so I think it's admirable if dealers sell their remaining stock of metric tools at list price instead of increasing the price.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #350 on: July 05, 2016, 01:04 PM »
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?

@Peter_C, Festool has not indicated that the metric versions will be excluded from catalog pricing at this time. IF it happens, I suspect it will not happen for several months and by then most dealers will be sold out.
Now that is straight up greed knowing they can sell out fairly quickly. As we all know in the past they quickly put discontinued items on sale, often for almost 1/2 price. My OF2000 router is a perfect example.

Thanks for the reply Shane. Let us know if you can sell at a discounted price please.

Greed on whose part?

Scarcity increases value so I think it's admirable if dealers sell their remaining stock of metric tools at list price instead of increasing the price.

I believe he's making the point that ordinarily when tools are discontinued the are discounted, it's not down to the dealers but Festool's stringent pricing policy.

But because these tools aren't really being discontinued in the strictest sense, just crudely modified enough to market them as imperial, Festool are being a little greedy in a) not continuing with both metric and imperial or b) giving those an opportunity/enabling them to get the metric tools they might have had on their medium term wish list at a more accessible price whilst they're still around at.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #351 on: July 05, 2016, 04:02 PM »
I’m back from Festool HQ in Germany, and I have some updates and answers. We had several conversations about the imperial change and much of your feedback was part of those discussions.

While we’re still committed to moving to imperial – it’s the US standard used by the overwhelming majority of craftsmen here – we appreciate that we’ve spent years asking you to invest in Festool, which required an investment in metric. Therefore, we’re going to make a few adjustments.

Last week we made two adjustments to our imperial change:

1. In addition to offering to convert existing metric tools to imperial, we will also provide options to convert new imperial tools back to metric. No, we won’t be selling tools in both metric and imperial, but you’ll be able to retrofit them in either direction.
2. The Parallel Side Fence and Parallel Guide Extension will be available for purchase in your choice of imperial or metric. Essentially, this means that the imperial accessories will be offered as new products, and we won’t be discontinuing the old ones.

Here are some tool-by-tool details:

ROUTERS
OF 1010 EQ, OF 1400 EQ, OF 2200

Changes
The depth scale is a metal strip. This will now be in imperial.

But the micro-adjustment is still calibrated for metric. Doesn’t this kind of suck?
Once you’re at the point of making micro-adjustments, very few people are actually measuring out – for example – 3/10 of a mm. Philosophically, is it inconsistent for it to be in metric? Sure. Practically, does it affect how most people use the tool? No.

Converting existing metric tools to imperial
If you already have one of the affected routers and would prefer it in imperial, we’ll send you a new depth scale free of charge. (We’ll have an online form shortly.)

Converting new imperial tools to metric
The same as the above answer … but in reverse. We’ll send you the scale, and you can apply it yourself.


TRACK SAWS & PLANERS
TS 55, TS 75, TSC 55, HL 850

Changes
The depth scale is actually built into the machine. With the track saws, it is on the casing. With the planer, it’s on the scale window.

Converting existing metric tools to imperial
Affected track saws and planers can be mailed in, because the tools need to be disassembled in order to replace the scale. There is a charge of $75 (US) or $85 (CAN). This price excludes tax but includes shipping.

Converting new imperial tools to imperial
The same as the above answer … but in reverse. It will be the same process and price to convert an imperial TS 55, TS 75, TSC 55 or HL 850 to metric.


PARALLEL GUIDE ACCESSORIES
The Parallel Side Fence and Parallel Guide Extension will be available to purchase in both imperial and metric.


A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS
Q. Imperial drill bits and Imperial router bits? (from @clark_fork)
A. No. Those will stay as is for now.

Q. Why didn't Festool pursue a dual scale strategy where ever possible? (from @PaulG)
A. If by dual-scale, you mean having both imperial and metric on the same scale, that would have led to additional confusion. Having two scales on one tool might sound like a good idea, but it would be confusing, cluttered and difficult to use in practice.

Q. The Kapex UG extensions are currently sold with metric scale . Will we see a change over to imperial ? (from @Eoj)
A. Yes, this will eventually move to imperial as well. This change will likely happen within the next year.
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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #352 on: July 05, 2016, 04:05 PM »
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?

@Peter_C, Festool has not indicated that the metric versions will be excluded from catalog pricing at this time. IF it happens, I suspect it will not happen for several months and by then most dealers will be sold out.
Now that is straight up greed knowing they can sell out fairly quickly. As we all know in the past they quickly put discontinued items on sale, often for almost 1/2 price. My OF2000 router is a perfect example.

Thanks for the reply Shane. Let us know if you can sell at a discounted price please.

Greed on whose part?

Scarcity increases value so I think it's admirable if dealers sell their remaining stock of metric tools at list price instead of increasing the price.


Dealers were given the opportunity to get additional discounts from Festool, by increasing the size of their order for the remaining metric models.  That means those dealers who took Festool up on the discount offer, are in fact already getting a larger margin of profit than they did in the past.  What would have been admirable was if the dealers/Festool had then passed the savings on to their customers, although I suspect that policy would have been abused, with the discounted tools ending up on Ebay at some point.

While I like the metric system, and prefer the metric scale on my tools, I don't think Festool will have any problem selling imperial versions to the many customers who, for one reason or another, prefer imperial.   The dealer who shared the information regarding the discount program with me, declined to participate for that very reason.

Of course, it does mean that if you want the metric versions, now is the time to buy (unless you don't mind paying the $75.00 fee later). 

 
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Offline Kev

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #353 on: July 05, 2016, 04:25 PM »
@TylerC glad to see some sense is returning. Does this translate into people being able to effectively order a metric tool from Festool, or will it need to be shipped three or four times to get a metric scale on a new imperial labelled tool?

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #354 on: July 05, 2016, 04:35 PM »

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Dealers were given the opportunity to get additional discounts from Festool, by increasing the size of their order for the remaining metric models.  That means those dealers who took Festool up on the discount offer, are in fact already getting a larger margin of profit than they did in the past.  What would have been admirable was if the dealers/Festool had then passed the savings on to their customers.
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Where did you see this? I just called my local store to reserve a metric TS75. I wasn't going to purchase it this soon, but decided to go ahead before the change. As long as the quality of the tools remains better than the competition, I will still purchase Festool. However, I would prefer them to be metric.

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #355 on: July 05, 2016, 04:35 PM »
I'm not too fused about the whole Imperial / Metric issue I have bigger problems...

What I need is a scale for the TS55 for when I'm doing 45 degree cuts, when constantly cutting at 45 degree in different thickness materials I need to accurately set the depth of the blade but the standard scale doesn't work because of the angle of the blade. [scared]

When will you be making me a scale for this and will tool come with it or do I have to put a sticker on it?  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #356 on: July 05, 2016, 04:35 PM »
@TylerC glad to see some sense is returning. Does this translate into people being able to effectively order a metric tool from Festool, or will it need to be shipped three or four times to get a metric scale on a new imperial labelled tool?

(Festool to dealer >> dealer to customer >> customer to service >> service to customer)

At this point, there will be only imperial versions that can be retrofitted to metric. It's not going to be sold as two separate items. For routers, the tools don't need to be shipped to us. We'll just send you the scale for you to add yourself.

That said, the numbers could change things. If few people choose to have their tools converted to metric, we'll probably keep with the new/current plan. If there proves to be significant demand for metric tools, it's possible that we'll offer both. (This last paragraph is pure speculation on my part. Not really an official position.)
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Offline jools

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #357 on: July 05, 2016, 04:42 PM »
What's confusing about dual scale? Most in the uk have been using them since metrication was phased in from 1965- 1975. I work on sites most days with most guys working in metric, a few in imperial and the one who uses both sometimes on the same measurement ( 457mm x 17 and 5/8s ) which is bonkers. Most of my work site tapes are dual scale although I work exclusively in metric. All my shop tapes are metric only where all my machines are metric. 
It started with one little sander

Offline danbox

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #358 on: July 05, 2016, 04:45 PM »
Dear America,



Thank me later.

Offline jethreaux

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Re: Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America
« Reply #359 on: July 05, 2016, 04:52 PM »
Dear America,



Thank me later.

The simplicity hurts. Imagine how much fun that song would be with imperial units.