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Offline carlb40

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New 45 minute charger
« on: August 11, 2016, 02:13 PM »
Just had a couple of pages on FB show off the new 45 min Airstream  charger - coming soon.  Also some new 18v airstream batteries.
Couldn't see the Ah rating of the batteries.
One thing i don't like is the fact the attachment for the  bumper protectors and often used by me belt clips has been omitted.  [mad]

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Offline Doug S

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2016, 03:25 PM »
There is a video of new charger and batteries on festool.com

Looks like t18 will finally get a proper fixed belt clip.

Doug

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« Last Edit: August 11, 2016, 03:35 PM by Kev »

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2016, 05:27 PM »
Looking forward to it.  Had the experience for the first time last week of batteries not charging after they'd been in use on the TSC55 -- had to wait for them to cool off and the red light to switch to green on the charging station.  Of course --  I was working out in the sun in 90degree+ temps.
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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2016, 12:36 AM »
Are the batteries and charger out sourced?   If so, maybe we can get them sooner? :)

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2016, 04:50 AM »
I've got 5x 18v and 2x 15v batteries so I won't be buying the airstream until som of the lose their charging capacity, but it is a great improvement for those that demand cordless for heavy use full day, also you will get by with fewer batteries...
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Offline Gregor

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2016, 07:30 AM »
While it makes sense to actively cool the battery while charging (so you can push more energy into it per timeframe) I see the following downside of the airstream charger:

To (and I admit that this is speculation) never ever use it where you work.

Festool dust collection is great (but not 100%) so the charger will effectively turn the airstream batteries into fine-dust collectors.

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2016, 01:55 PM »
While it makes sense to actively cool the battery while charging (so you can push more energy into it per timeframe) I see the following downside of the airstream charger:

To (and I admit that this is speculation) never ever use it where you work.

Festool dust collection is great (but not 100%) so the charger will effectively turn the airstream batteries into fine-dust collectors.

In theory so could any charger with a fan built into it. However i have never had that sort of issue. But then my batteries are either charged at home, or in a room away from the dust making tools :)
 
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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2016, 02:41 PM »
Hi!

While it makes sense to actively cool the battery while charging (so you can push more energy into it per timeframe) I see the following downside of the airstream charger:

To (and I admit that this is speculation) never ever use it where you work.

Festool dust collection is great (but not 100%) so the charger will effectively turn the airstream batteries into fine-dust collectors.

While I personally try to avoid charging batteries in the same room that I work/ make dust in, I'd hope that this aspect was taken into account somewhere during the designing/engineering process. After all, we're talking about tools for professionals that do site work and I guess it's not always guaranteed/possible that a charger can be placed in a dust free environment.

That said, I'm pretty sure that Bosch's 36V chargers are air cooled by a fan during charging - not sure if the air flows through their battery packs (probably not) - but I never heard/saw complaints about chargers that died from dust.

Then again, you could clean battery packs and charger every now and then with some compressed air - as you probably already do with the tools themselves.

Maybe we hear from Festool about it? It's an interesting question nonetheless for sure.

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Oliver
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Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2016, 03:07 PM »
Hi
As soon as the UK microsite is ready I will post more detailed information. A video will be available shortly from the UK as well.
Rg
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Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2016, 03:24 PM »
There is a video of new charger and batteries on festool.com

Looks like t18 will finally get a proper fixed belt clip.

Doug

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2016, 03:37 PM »
deng took festool like 100 years to finally integrate the battery life indicator on the battery like normal peoples lol. yes its on the tool but i often have batteries laying around and have no clue how charged it is. thats one sexy look new 18v tho [tongue]
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Offline six-point socket II

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2016, 03:55 PM »
Hi
As soon as the UK microsite is ready I will post more detailed information. A video will be available shortly from the UK as well.
Rg
Phil

Hi!

Thank you Phil!

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I found the German press release about the AIRSTREAM system: https://www.festool.de/Presse/Presse-Portal/Documents/Pressemitteilungen/AIRSTREAM_0916_DE_ohne%20Sperrfrist.pdf

It states that the air flows through an encapsulated cooling channel that runs between the battery pack's cells (I hope I translated that correctly)

So dust shouldn't be a problem, just as I thought, Festool did take this into account.  [thumbs up]

Kind regards,
Oliver
Kind regards,
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Offline Mike B

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2016, 08:51 AM »
Gah! and all this a month after I go all-in on half a dozen 5.2's and an extra charger... typical.

Any information on compatibility? Will standard batteries still charge in the Airstream charger but slower? Or will the new batteries work in the old charger (at slower charge rate)?

Hate to have to drag an extra charger about...

Offline six-point socket II

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2016, 09:13 AM »
Hi!

The new chargers are compatible with the "old" 12, 15 and 18V battery packs per Festool's press statement.

Kind regards,
Oliver
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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2016, 09:15 AM »
The new chargers are compatible with the "old" 12, 15 and 18V battery packs per Festool's press statement.

Compatible and able to charge faster might be two different things though.
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Offline six-point socket II

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2016, 09:22 AM »
Absolutely. It's my understanding that if you want to charge "old" battery packs faster you go for the new TCL-6 charger. If you use the new Airstream charger ASC 8 with "old" battery packs it will be just compatible. Like I said, just my understanding from the press statement. It's still possible that also the ASC-8 will charge "old" battery packs faster.

But at least we don't need to worry about compatibility, and that is what was asked :)

Kind regards,
Oliver
« Last Edit: August 15, 2016, 10:06 AM by six-point socket II »
Kind regards,
Oliver

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Offline Mike B

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2016, 10:05 AM »
Good to hear, thanks!

Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2016, 01:25 PM »
Hi
As soon as the UK microsite is ready I will post more detailed information. A video will be available shortly from the UK as well.
Rg
Phil

Hi!

Thank you Phil!

--

I found the German press release about the AIRSTREAM system: https://www.festool.de/Presse/Presse-Portal/Documents/Pressemitteilungen/AIRSTREAM_0916_DE_ohne%20Sperrfrist.pdf

It states that the air flows through an encapsulated cooling channel that runs between the battery pack's cells (I hope I translated that correctly)

So dust shouldn't be a problem, just as I thought, Festool did take this into account.  [thumbs up]

Kind regards,
Oliver

.....correct. The air runs through a channel
Dv
Phil
Hello from Germany..... [wink]
« Last Edit: August 16, 2016, 03:04 AM by Phil Beckley »

Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2016, 01:34 PM »
Gah! and all this a month after I go all-in on half a dozen 5.2's and an extra charger... typical.

Any information on compatibility? Will standard batteries still charge in the Airstream charger but slower? Or will the new batteries work in the old charger (at slower charge rate)?

Hate to have to drag an extra charger about...

.....Li ion will charge on the AS charger at 8ah.
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Phil

CORRECTION
The 5.2 will charge at 8A the 4.2 and 3 will be charged at 3A
rg
Phil
« Last Edit: August 16, 2016, 03:04 AM by Phil Beckley »

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2016, 04:32 PM »
Hi
As soon as the UK microsite is ready I will post more detailed information. A video will be available shortly from the UK as well.
Rg
Phil

Hi!

Thank you Phil!

--

I found the German press release about the AIRSTREAM system: https://www.festool.de/Presse/Presse-Portal/Documents/Pressemitteilungen/AIRSTREAM_0916_DE_ohne%20Sperrfrist.pdf

It states that the air flows through an encapsulated cooling channel that runs between the battery pack's cells (I hope I translated that correctly)

So dust shouldn't be a problem, just as I thought, Festool did take this into account.  [thumbs up]

Kind regards,
Oliver

.....correct. The air runs through a channel
Dv
Phil
Hello from Germany..... [wink]

Enjoy your stay, Phil!

I guess you've been to Germany numerous times - and I also guess you've done your fair share of sight seeing in the surrounding area of the Festool HQ? If you have some spare time & like fast cars (namely: Porsche) - the 40km distance from Wendlingen to the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart is well worth the drive - as is the Mercedes-Benz Museum (that lies exactly on the route) And you'll get a 25% discount if you show your ticket from Mercedes at Porsche (or vice versa, it's a currently running promotion)

But you've probably been there, I guess - not a real insider tip by any means ;)

Kind regards,
Oliver

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Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2016, 03:05 AM »
Hi
Please see below my correction

CORRECTION
The 5.2 will charge at 8A the 4.2 and 3 will be charged at 3A
rg
Phil

Offline Bash

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2016, 07:12 AM »
What are the dimensions of the new chargers and batteries?
Will they fit the current systainer inserts?

Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2016, 02:25 AM »

Well..I have heard rumors that Festool will soon launch new screwdrivers whit the new batteries, Perhaps it is rather given to launch new cordless drills now when they have release new batteries? Their current Driver's are at the stone age compared to all other brands, so they need to be updated and refreshed!
Anyway I look forward to new toys.. and i really hope they come out whit a brushless Cxs soon! i love that drill but mine is almost worn out, and i will not buy a new one untill festool relese a new model thats for sure!

....nothing planned in this area to update the 'stoneage' drivers  [wink]
rg
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Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2016, 02:28 AM »
What are the dimensions of the new chargers and batteries?
Will they fit the current systainer inserts?

.....overall size is as follows
240lx80hx100w
As they are longer than the TCL 3 they will not fit the current insert. Machines supplied with the AS charger will have a re designed insert
rg
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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2016, 08:22 AM »

Well..I have heard rumors that Festool will soon launch new screwdrivers whit the new batteries, Perhaps it is rather given to launch new cordless drills now when they have release new batteries? Their current Driver's are at the stone age compared to all other brands, so they need to be updated and refreshed!
Anyway I look forward to new toys.. and i really hope they come out whit a brushless Cxs soon! i love that drill but mine is almost worn out, and i will not buy a new one untill festool relese a new model thats for sure!

"stone age drill/drivers".  Ha! I would not agree with that. I have not used a drill i prefer than either my T18 or CXS in their respective class. And I've used a lot of drill/drivers.

 I do think an option for the drills to come with the smaller 2.6ah batteries would make sense. The 18v drills are a lot comfier in use with these batteries.
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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2016, 09:30 AM »
What needs to be updated or refreshed? They put holes in stuff and drive screws.  [huh]

Just because other brands have a new flavor-of-the-month all the time with new models, they don't change the functionality.
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Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2016, 09:42 AM »
well stoneage drill was litte overdo so i apologize for that  [smile]

....made me smile  [smile]
rg
Phil
Can we try and keep this thread focused on the charger please  [wink]...but still no current plans on the drill drivers ....

Offline amcore

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Re: New 45 minute charger
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2016, 09:48 AM »
now i have remove my toughts.. but the quotes are still there!
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