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Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« on: June 26, 2019, 03:27 PM »
Looking for some options for 5mm Euro hinge mounting plate screws. Obviously there are plenty of PoziDrive. And a couple square drive. Anyone know of any torx drive? Searches have not yielded any.

Thanks,

   Seth

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2019, 04:37 PM »
Don't think there are any. And the reason why is probably this: all adjustment screws on the main brand hinges (Eurostyle, that is) are Pozi, so it makes no sense to use anything else on the 5 mm. (Just my thought process being a designer kicking in here…).
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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2019, 11:35 PM »
Don't think there are any. And the reason why is probably this: all adjustment screws on the main brand hinges (Eurostyle, that is) are Pozi, so it makes no sense to use anything else on the 5 mm. (Just my thought process being a designer kicking in here…).

Yes, that makes sense but there are some square drive, so I thought maybe there might be some torx.  I bought the square to use on something that was really hard to get the Pozi to go into.  And I was using a good Pozi drive not a Phillips driver. The square are shorter than what I would like for an upcoming job. So I just started looking for options in case the Pozi don't want to cooperate.

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2019, 11:46 PM »
Don't think there are any. And the reason why is probably this: all adjustment screws on the main brand hinges (Eurostyle, that is) are Pozi, so it makes no sense to use anything else on the 5 mm. (Just my thought process being a designer kicking in here…).

I don't know SRSemenza's reasons,  but one "sense" for it could be that torx is much more globally universal.  The "problem" with Pozi is it isn't used in other parts of the world, so in the case of the USA, it's hard to find a Pozi screw driver.  Walk into any store and the only real chance of finding a Pozi screw driver is a bit driver set that tried to fill it up with everything they can think of.   It's also kinda funny since folks here buy lots of IKEA and it's all POZI if it's not allen wrench.  I've also noticed a lot of north American electrical switches/receptacles with POZI screws, yet the tool suppliers for electricians don't sell POZI.

In the end, almost no one knows they are POZI and they just proceed with jamming a philips screw driver in there.

Note, I'm not advocating there becoming 2 types for different parts of the world.  If Pozi just got phased out globally, I'd be ok with that.  At the very least POZI screw drivers need to become more common in the USA.   

Now this is the part where SRSemenza gives they're reason and it has nothing to do with what I said  [tongue]

....oh, posted while I typed, slightly different reason, does look like he/she is a proper person who uses the correct tool.

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2019, 12:20 AM »
Don't think there are any. And the reason why is probably this: all adjustment screws on the main brand hinges (Eurostyle, that is) are Pozi, so it makes no sense to use anything else on the 5 mm. (Just my thought process being a designer kicking in here…).

I don't know SRSemenza's reasons,  but one "sense" for it could be that torx is much more globally universal.  The "problem" with Pozi is it isn't used in other parts of the world, so in the case of the USA, it's hard to find a Pozi screw driver.  Walk into any store and the only real chance of finding a Pozi screw driver is a bit driver set that tried to fill it up with everything they can think of.   It's also kinda funny since folks here buy lots of IKEA and it's all POZI if it's not allen wrench.  I've also noticed a lot of north American electrical switches/receptacles with POZI screws, yet the tool suppliers for electricians don't sell POZI.

In the end, almost no one knows they are POZI and they just proceed with jamming a philips screw driver in there.

Note, I'm not advocating there becoming 2 types for different parts of the world.  If Pozi just got phased out globally, I'd be ok with that.  At the very least POZI screw drivers need to become more common in the USA.   

Now this is the part where SRSemenza gives they're reason and it has nothing to do with what I said  [tongue]

....oh, posted while I typed, slightly different reason, does look like he/she is a proper person who uses the correct tool.


     Its' "he" and yes I was using the proper tool. The reason I am looking for something other than Pozi is to help prevent cam out more than Pozi when the screws are going in hard.  To add to the other post ...........  I now remember why I bought the square drive ................................ I had to install something inside a cabinet in 5mm Euro holes and the situation did not allow for a really good straight on fit of the driver into the screw head. The square drive screws took care of the problem. I don't think it was actually hinge plates. I think it was some sort of adjustable shelf clip that I had made custom pullouts to attach. Basically something was getting the way.

  Anyway , in general it might be good to have some Euro screws in different lengths with something other than Pozi on hand.

Seth

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2019, 04:31 AM »
@SRSemenza Seth, just wondered what sort of quantity you’re looking for?
Can you get Spax over there? There are a lot of companies over here that do international shipping.
Here’s one: https://www.westfieldfasteners.co.uk/Delivery.html

Lots of different head and drive types:
https://www.westfieldfasteners.co.uk/A2_ChpbdScrew_TXCsk_5.html
« Last Edit: June 27, 2019, 04:34 AM by Jiggy Joiner »

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2019, 07:41 AM »
Can you get Spax over there? There are a lot of companies over here that do international shipping.

@Jiggy Joiner SPAX don't do a 5mm Euro screw in Torx (or any other head format as far as I know). Seth is looking for these in a Torx head...


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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2019, 08:52 AM »
Ah ok, apologies I read the post quickly and thought Seth was after regular screws for door hinges.
Having a Torx head screw in a Euro hinge plate seems a little OTT though?
Having said that, we’re using lots of various fixings with a Torx head, from wood screws to large brick and concrete screws.
I love Torx, very unusual for them to cam out, and driver bits are lasting a lot longer too.

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2019, 10:14 AM »
Maybe This combination can work

Well maybe not. At first glance it looked like Torx. Second glance it doesn’t.

To reduce cam-out I try to keep the axis of the driver close to the axis of the screw. If the eccentric chuck isn’t enough an extension helps. The non-magnetic bit holder extensions from Milwaukee and Bosch will also hold Centrotec bits.

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2019, 10:31 AM »
Seth I haven't seen them but now use #6 x 12mm torx from Wurth for mounting hinges. If/when needed I just use the 5mm plastic insert. It may a possible solution for you. Unfortunately all pozidrive screws and drivers are not created equal. They are still way better  than Phillips though many get easily confused because of the similar look.

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2019, 11:48 AM »

 SPAX don't do a 5mm Euro screw in Torx (or any other head format as far as I know). Seth is looking for these in a Torx head...

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Thanks Gary I wasn't clear about what I am looking for.

This is more of a wish they were available maybe someone knows where to get them thing, than an actual need it now thing. I would take the square drive version in a longer length too. I think the square drive that I have are only 10mm long.




To reduce cam-out I try to keep the axis of the driver close to the axis of the screw. If the eccentric chuck isn’t enough an extension helps. The non-magnetic bit holder extensions from Milwaukee and Bosch will also hold Centrotec bits.

Yes, this was for a situation where I could not get a good line on the screw.


Seth I haven't seen them but now use #6 x 12mm torx from Wurth for mounting hinges. If/when needed I just use the 5mm plastic insert. It may a possible solution for you. Unfortunately all pozidrive screws and drivers are not created equal. They are still way better  than Phillips though many get easily confused because of the similar look.



Hmmm, maybe I will think about switching mount types.

Using a Wera Laser tip PZ.  Which holds really well. But the obstructed angle for the situation made even that difficult. So it would be good to have some additional sqaure or Torx on hand when needed.

Seth

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2019, 08:31 PM »
Yes, this was for a situation where I could not get a good line on the screw.

There is a driver bit that is designed to be used with pozidrive screws at an angle of up to 15° but I can't remember what it is called.

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2019, 10:25 PM »

Can you get Spax over there? There are a lot of companies over here that do international shipping.


SPAX are here, big box stores sell them.  I buy endless amounts of them.  But once you get below framing screws, they just do philips, no more torx.  And what size they truly are is mystery since they "Americanize" the labeling to inches, and  #6, #8 #10, etc   so who knows what they actually are. 

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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2019, 03:22 AM »

Can you get Spax over there? There are a lot of companies over here that do international shipping.


SPAX are here, big box stores sell them.  I buy endless amounts of them.  But once you get below framing screws, they just do philips, no more torx.  And what size they truly are is mystery since they "Americanize" the labeling to inches, and  #6, #8 #10, etc   so who knows what they actually are.

Fair comment, I notice a few manufacturers nowadays do not give a clear or precise description, of much of what they make.
Many screws I buy have their size in metric and imperial stamped on the boxes, which is a good idea, and should suit most.
We work in millimetres but, when I go and buy screws over the counter, I give imperial sizes, as do many others, and the counter staff seem to register this more quickly.

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2019, 11:10 AM »
https://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f5/torx-drive-euro-screws-112034/

Thanks for the link.  So I am not the only one. But it looks like no dice.

Seth

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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2019, 02:11 PM »

Can you get Spax over there? There are a lot of companies over here that do international shipping.


SPAX are here, big box stores sell them.  I buy endless amounts of them.  But once you get below framing screws, they just do philips, no more torx.  And what size they truly are is mystery since they "Americanize" the labeling to inches, and  #6, #8 #10, etc   so who knows what they actually are.

Fair comment, I notice a few manufacturers nowadays do not give a clear or precise description, of much of what they make.
Many screws I buy have their size in metric and imperial stamped on the boxes, which is a good idea, and should suit most.
We work in millimetres but, when I go and buy screws over the counter, I give imperial sizes, as do many others, and the counter staff seem to register this more quickly.

The best part is the label on the box which is truly unique and not something I've ever seen on any other product.
"Manufactured in U.S.A. or Germany"
"Using U.S. and globally sourced materials"

I've never seen any other label do a shrug on where they made them.  But further they have apparently decided the U.S. is not part of the globe?  I mean I know we tend to march to our own beat, but I definitely assume global would include the U.S..


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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2019, 01:37 AM »
@Jiggy Joiner

I was talking with me mate the other day.

 I told him I wish we has Screw Fix over here.

I know I know but I used them a lot. They had everything I needed.

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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2019, 04:52 AM »
@SRSemenza  Indeed Seth, but they seem to be in the unicorn category  ;)

@jobsworth  Yeah, good old Screwfix Ron, they have got me out of trouble many times, and cater for wide range. They supply cheap power tools, and also a fair bit of the Festool range now too. Open early and close late, very handy  [thumbs up]

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Re: Anyone know of Torx 5mm hinge screws?
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2019, 11:03 AM »
I was living there in Huntingdon in Cambridgeshire when they started with the Festool sales. Yea they bailed me out a few times as well. I liked it, walk in look at the catalog write what ya want hand the clerk the order wait a few minutes they bring it out and yer off.

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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2019, 04:25 PM »
I once had an uncle that lived in Huntingdon, some nice scenery there. So is there nothing like Screwfix over your side, I always thought it was an American idea?

We have Toolstation too, similar to Screwfix.