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Offline tobiaskurz

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SYSTAINER³ available from September
« on: June 27, 2019, 05:58 AM »
Festool and tanos has announced the 3rd generation of there SYSTAINER. The new one ist called SYSTAINER³.

New is:
 - it has an integrated handle at the front (wehre the T-LOC sits)
 - the possibility to lock the box with a padlock
 - form Januare 2020 there is an so called Organizer available – Transparent latch to store screws and similar hardware ...

The new SYSTAINER³ is compatible with its predecessor, the SYSTAINER T-LOC. Its also Possible to place and connect it on top of a Clasic SYSTAINER.

more info can be found: https://systainer3.com
« Last Edit: June 27, 2019, 06:04 AM by tobiaskurz »

Offline Roachmill

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2019, 06:13 AM »
Thanks for the heads-up. A front handle looks interesting!

Offline six-point socket II

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2019, 06:30 AM »
For those using Instagram, keep an eye out for " #systainia "

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Offline amcore

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New generation systainers!
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2019, 07:12 AM »
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Offline ggc

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2019, 07:33 AM »
Looks like the heights are different (except for 1) from the current system.
And the L size is a bit bigger than a Midi, I guess it's been done to fit in with the bott vehicle system.

Offline RKA

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2019, 07:36 AM »
The organizer M is interesting.  If the top seals the contents of each cubby, I’m all about it!
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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2019, 07:42 AM »
Note:  I have merged the two different threads about the new Systainers into one.

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2019, 07:42 AM »
The organizer M is interesting.  If the top seals the contents of each cubby, I’m all about it!

Looks very much like Sortimo T-BOXX. I have several of those and they are excellent.

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2019, 07:48 AM »
The organizer M is interesting.  If the top seals the contents of each cubby, I’m all about it!

Looks very much like Sortimo T-BOXX. I have several of those and they are excellent.

Yup!  I have them, but they don’t play nice with systainers.  These do!  :)
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2019, 08:00 AM »
I'm glad I haven't yet invested in small parts storage. I'll probably end up with some of those organizer M's in Sys-AZ drawers.

They're missing the mark by not making the Sys-Combi standard. Several of my tools would benefit from having a Sys-combi with drawer for expendables, accessories, etc but to convert over from my standard systainers would be absurdly cost prohibitive.
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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2019, 09:17 AM »

any idea if mini's will get a handle?
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2019, 09:47 AM »
Of course this happens shortly after I invest a lot of money in a lot of systainers.  I was just telling myself the other day they will probably make a new version soon as the patents on the current version are probably about to expire. Maybe other companies will just start making T-lok style containers on their own once the patents are dead.

Updates are fine, but seriously, if you are going to make an announcement like this,  tanos/festool needs to put out some explicit/clear information on the changes/compatibilities from the current model.   It doesn't look like from a glance they are hugely different, maybe just some added aspects.  But if form factor/interfaces/heights changed, that's going to cause heartburn for folks.  I might rather see a side by side of the improvements/changes then "action photos" of them that tell folks nothing.

It looks like they added a front handle (makes sense on short ones I guess),  rounded the corners instead of the chamfers.  The Latch is different looking. 

Down side is it looks like they down graded the label setup.  I don't see side label holders.  That sucks, as I put labels on on 3 sides. That was/is one of the really nice features.

Offline cpw

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2019, 09:51 AM »
Yes, removing the side labels is definitely a negative.  The handle swings to the front instead of the back, so I wonder what this means for attic lids and how much space the handle takes up.

I'm a big fan of the sortainer IV for small parts and just in general having mobile drawers for smaller tools rather than needing to open a stack; hopefully there is a good replacement for it.

Hopefully, the partnership means the MIDI-like M will have the equivalent of a SYS-AZ available.

Offline nvalinski

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2019, 10:23 AM »
Love the van racking slides, even if I might not use it. Also those Bott systainers with the black and green latch look incredible. One thing that I don't love is that it looks like the front handle actually gets in the way of the T-loc latch from a box underneath... seems like a bit of an oversight.

Offline wheely

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2019, 10:24 AM »
From Festool's Swedish site:
https://www.festool.se/kampanjer/microsites/mobilitet

Is there an overview table with all new designations, sizes and heights?                     
Product                                                              SYSTAINER T-LOC   SYSTAINER³   Difference
Old        New          Dimensions      New          Dimensions      Height with feet in mm      
SYS 1 TL   SYS3 M 112   396mm x 296mm                                112               112          -
-          SYS3 M 137   396mm x 296mm   SYS3 L 137   508mm x 296mm   -                 137          New
SYS 2 TL   SYS3 M 187   396mm x 296mm   SYS3 L 187   508mm x 296mm   164.5             187          22.5
SYS 3 TL   SYS3 M 237   396mm x 296mm   SYS3 L 187   508mm x 296mm   217               237          20
SYS 4 TL   SYS3 M 337   396mm x 296mm                                322               337          15
SYS 5 TL   SYS3 M 437   396mm x 296mm                                427               437          10
                     
SYS3 L is not the same size as the SYS TL Midi                     
496mm x 296mm
                     

Offline wheely

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2019, 10:29 AM »
UK Version of the New Systainer site here:
https://www.festool.co.uk/campaigns/microsites/mobility

Offline wheely

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2019, 10:34 AM »
Systainer³ M
Technical data - Systainer SYS3 M 112
Dimensions with floor stand (L x W x H)   396 x 296 x 112 mm

Systainer³ L
Technical data - Systainer SYS3 L 137
Dimensions with floor stand (L x W x H)   508 x 296 x 137 mm

Organizer M
Technical data - Organizer SYS3 ORG M 89 6xESB
Dimensions with floor stand (L x W x H)   396 x 296 x 89 mm

Organizer L
Technical data - Organizer SYS3 ORG L 89 10xESB
Dimensions with floor stand (L x W x H)   508 x 296 x 89 mm

Offline Dusty.Tools

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2019, 11:45 AM »
Of course this happens shortly after I invest a lot of money in a lot of systainers.  I was just telling myself the other day they will probably make a new version soon as the patents on the current version are probably about to expire. Maybe other companies will just start making T-lok style containers on their own once the patents are dead.

Updates are fine, but seriously, if you are going to make an announcement like this,  tanos/festool needs to put out some explicit/clear information on the changes/compatibilities from the current model.   It doesn't look like from a glance they are hugely different, maybe just some added aspects.  But if form factor/interfaces/heights changed, that's going to cause heartburn for folks.  I might rather see a side by side of the improvements/changes then "action photos" of them that tell folks nothing.

It looks like they added a front handle (makes sense on short ones I guess),  rounded the corners instead of the chamfers.  The Latch is different looking. 

Down side is it looks like they down graded the label setup.  I don't see side label holders.  That sucks, as I put labels on on 3 sides. That was/is one of the really nice features.
I’m having the same heart burn! Just finished making an expensive switch to 100% Systainer setup!

It’s called Sod’s law :)


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Offline blaszcsj

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2019, 12:09 PM »
I like the fact that they have integrated drawer slides and do not neccearily need a sys AZ drawer. You could have some simiple splines or even use 2-3 dominos to act ask pins to store in a chaos wall.
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2019, 01:58 PM »
Will they be available in the US the same time as the rest of the world?
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Offline wpz

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2019, 05:42 PM »
Unfortunately they will not be available in the US as they are only available in metric sizes  [big grin]
« Last Edit: June 27, 2019, 05:57 PM by wpz »

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2019, 09:39 PM »
Of course this happens shortly after I invest a lot of money in a lot of systainers.  I was just telling myself the other day they will probably make a new version soon as the patents on the current version are probably about to expire. Maybe other companies will just start making T-lok style containers on their own once the patents are dead.

Updates are fine, but seriously, if you are going to make an announcement like this,  tanos/festool needs to put out some explicit/clear information on the changes/compatibilities from the current model.   It doesn't look like from a glance they are hugely different, maybe just some added aspects.  But if form factor/interfaces/heights changed, that's going to cause heartburn for folks.  I might rather see a side by side of the improvements/changes then "action photos" of them that tell folks nothing.

It looks like they added a front handle (makes sense on short ones I guess),  rounded the corners instead of the chamfers.  The Latch is different looking. 

Down side is it looks like they down graded the label setup.  I don't see side label holders.  That sucks, as I put labels on on 3 sides. That was/is one of the really nice features.
I’m having the same heart burn! Just finished making an expensive switch to 100% Systainer setup!

It’s called Sod’s law :)


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Yeah, last year I had none,  now I probably have like 40-50.  I purposely didn't by some sizes so that I could keep consistent stacking.  This way when they are in cabinets on shelfs I can maximize the fit.  Now things will be all messed up.

I'm curious as to why they changed the heights, I get if they wanted to add some tween sizes from the old, but changing the heights just a little doesn't make much sense.

Like everything else, systems only work when they stay systems.

Offline mrB

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2019, 02:24 AM »
What!? They've changed the heights of the regular sys1-5 ?! [scared]

That's ridiculous!! That's more than ridiculous. That's almost the whole point. The way i use mine with drilled mft type slabs 'cleated' on top of 2 or 3 matching stacks, the way I transport them, the way I store them both at home and the workshop... They changed the heights? Ffs.

It's gonna be a sad day when my first festool arrives in a systainer that doesn't match stackable  with all my others. In fact, I'm now more likely than previously to buy a non festool and a systainer separately.... There have been a couple of purchases at least where i bought the festool over the competition partly because the systainer came in the price... (Like the little plane and an RTS)

I thought festool were all about systems? These new heights don't even double up to equal another size in the range. Seriously?

EDIT:

EDIT #2
Thank to the post below I have realise these measurements previously contained the feet (7mm) now removed as only the bottom feet factor in stacking heights.
And as others I said I also hope there is method or reason in this madness!

 New heights:
105mm
130mm
180mm
230mm
330mm
430mm

 Old heights:
Sys1 = 105mm
Sys2 = 157.5mm
Sys3 = 210mm
Sys4 = 315mm
Sys5 = 420mm
« Last Edit: June 28, 2019, 04:47 AM by mrB »
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Offline Euclid

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2019, 03:49 AM »
I'm struggling to think of a valid reason for messing with the heights of Systainers... was anyone routinely finding the sizes "just a bit to shallow"? I do "sometimes" find the Sys1 a touch to shallow - and I have long fancied a "Sys6" (for a very specific application) - but neither of those were sufficient reason for wanting the system changed!

I thought the base of the Kapex was arranged to be the same height as a Sys1 - so they could be used as out-field material supports. I don't have a Kapex (though I'd like one) - but what happens there?

Also, the business of Sys-stack combinations equalling the height of an MFT?
(It's a bit early in the morning here for pre-coffee mental arithmetic, but I can't readily see a combination that would work).
Makes a nonsense of this, from Sedge:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bys1S0iDoDD/

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2019, 03:52 AM »
Wonder how the new height will work out for things like, supporting a work piece when using a Kapex on the floor? A spacer?

Stacking Systainers to a level height of an MFT top?

Does seem a bit odd, and if it ain’t broke........................

Offline ggc

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2019, 03:58 AM »
Do the listed new heights include the 7mm for the feet? 
Either way, it looks like only the SYS1 lines up height wise between old and new, unless there's a mixture of feet heights in the new sizes.
I'd like to think there's a good reason to stray from the existing sizes and it's not just some marketing bastardy.

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2019, 04:57 AM »

Makes a nonsense of this, from Sedge:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bys1S0iDoDD/

LOL!!  Never seen this perfectly demonstrated brilliance of how, the now Outdated, t-Loc and Classic systainers worked.

I'm gonna end up like one of those weirdos we used to get round here trading T-locs for Classics [tongue]

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Offline Euclid

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2019, 05:20 AM »
I had given up looking for an Classic plus the 'extender section' to make a case for my portable steam-cleaner... the new "Sys6" (?) might "just" do the trick (it was that close...).

At least, it appears, the new will stack and lock with the old - otherwise it's a bit disappointing, and messy... can anyone see some virtue in this  that most of us seem to be missing?

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2019, 05:29 AM »
Maybe it has to do with the bott van racking. But I honestly don't know.

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Offline tobiaskurz

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Re: SYSTAINER³ available from September
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2019, 06:12 AM »
Yesterday there was an extra page about the new SYSTAINER³ on festool.de today its gone. #edit the page ist still available (https://www.festool.de/kampagnen/microsites/mobility) but no reference to it is on the home page.

It looks like that the feet stay with 7mm the same.

The only hight combination wich makes sense if found quickly is:
SYS3 M/L 137 (the new one in between the 1 and 2) + SYS3 M/L 237 (previous SYS 3) = two times SYS3 M/L 187 (previous SYS 2)

Maybe the Organizer helps to compensate the upcoming hight differences.

The practical hight combinations we all know from the Classic SYSTAINER and although the T-Loc seem to stop with the new ones.
Valid for SYS Classic and T-LOC:
1+1=3
2+2=4
1+3=4
4+1=5
« Last Edit: June 28, 2019, 06:16 AM by tobiaskurz »