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Offline AndrewG

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MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« on: March 12, 2019, 05:23 PM »
I’ve been wanting an MFT for some time now and finally decided I’d go with the MFT/3 with the fence etc. Here in Australia I’ve been following how much used tables go for and they’re usually about $900 to $1000 (new ones cost $1400). So I’ve been waiting for a second hand one to come up and thought with the money saved I’d buy some dogs etc.

Over the last few days I’ve now had a change of mind, or the idea of making my own MFT has come into the equation again. I do pretty much all my work out of my workshop so portability isn’t a concern. I’m still undecided and was hoping if some questions could be answered I might be able to make a decision.

I figure for $1000 AUD, I’d be able to buy a parf dog system mark 2, plus quite a few accessories such as dogs, squares etc.
Now my only concern going down this path and not the Festool MFT/3, is that I’d want a fence for repeat cuts. I don’t see myself using the angle gauge. I’ve searched quite a bit and I’ve seen incra and woodpeckers aluminium fences. I was hoping people could post pictures and maybe a link of their fence and where they got it from? And whether they’d go down the same path again. I’d want a scale and flag stop at an absolute minimum.

I was also looking at benchdogs in the UK, https://benchdogs.co.uk/collections/frontpage/products/copy-of-fence-dogs-1250mm-fence

This seemed like a really attractive option as it’s low profile and can be attached using dogs. They also sell a kit in a systainer with dogs and a fence that comes in multiple 350mm lengths. Has anyone used these? I can’t seem to see anyone on FOG that has posted pictures or used them?

And one last thing, how do you attach the guide rail to the table? I suppose rail dogs would be an option along with just butting up the rail against the dogs with rail clips and away you go? Any other options?

I appreciate the input.

Thank you,
Andy




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Offline tom mills

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2019, 06:44 PM »
Hi Andrew i bought a 4 foot fence rail from benchdogs uk ,to secure this to your bench just use the slotted bench dogs into 20mm holes,the slotted bench dogs comes with knobs and tee nuts to fit into the fence rail,get the flag stops from them too its all good quality stuff. regards from Liverpool Tom

Offline cubevandude

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2019, 06:53 PM »
If you are trying to keep costs down a very simple way to attach your fence would be to use a bolt with the bolt head in the bottom of your fence through a hole (or slot) in the table and tighten with a through knob from the bottom.

You could make a fence from this: https://www.woodcraft.com/products/incra-t-track-plus-48-length
or any fence with a t-slot in the bottom.

And use Snap-Lock Knobs: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=60934&cat=1,43455,61994&ap=1
You would put the nut in the knob instead of the bolt.

Something like on this Kreg Router table.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2019, 10:32 AM by cubevandude »

Offline tom mills

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2019, 07:06 PM »
Hi Andrew also check out a company based here in the uk called ooznest.co.uk, they supply aluminium extrusions of different sizes and any length you want ( I bought 20 x 40 size for my fence rail ) they also sell flag stops and slotted dogs with knobs and t nuts Tom

Offline RKA

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2019, 10:05 PM »
Andy, I think Benchdogs just uses standard 2040 extrusions.  Can you get those locally?  The only difference is you would have to do without the laser engraved scales and apply a stick on scale.  That might save you a lot on shipping.  I would prefer a continuous rail vs shorter sections. 

As far as joining the saw guide rail to the dogs, the UJK clips should do the job.  Benchdogs sells those too.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2019, 11:00 PM by RKA »
-Raj

Offline AndrewG

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2019, 10:18 PM »
Thanks for the replies so far.

I was looking at these incra fences https://www.timbecon.com.au/site-shop-accessories/t-track-mitre-track/aluminium-fence-tracks

Has anyone set up an MFT top with these? I’d love to see some pics how you did it. These are local to me so I will save quite a bit on postage.

Cheers

Offline Lincoln

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2019, 10:51 PM »
That's what I have as a fence on my MFT - I'll post some pics later tonight.

Offline AndrewG

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2019, 11:20 PM »
That's what I have as a fence on my MFT - I'll post some pics later tonight.

Thanks mate. Just interested how you attach it etc and what you think of it in use.

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2019, 04:41 AM »
Has anyone set up an MFT top with these? I’d love to see some pics how you did it.

I use those of my MFT/3 and on my KAPEX station.

Because they have the metric incremental tracks on the rear, a metric Shop Stop provides easy, millimetre accurate, repeatable stops.

I used Qwas Incra Mini Rail dogs to attach them to the MFT/3 and KAPEX station which makes them easily removable when required. You can also position them wherever is most convenient on the 96mm grid layout.

Plenty of photos below...  [wink]




Offline GarryMartin

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2019, 04:46 AM »
Apologies - the forum software doesn't seem to like me adding all the photos in to one post so having to split them...  [sad]





Offline AndrewG

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2019, 05:58 AM »
You’re the man Garry! Thanks for that. Do you find the incra better than the standard Festool fence?

I see a lot of people change out the standard fence and go for aftermarket ones. Has anyone tried the bench dogs uk fence?

Keep the posts coming I appreciate it

Offline WoodworkTech

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2019, 07:11 AM »
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2019, 07:29 AM »
Is it possible to attach this Incra fence using the Festool MFT/3 fence clamp?

Take a look at this previous thread...

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/mft3-with-incra-fence-and-shop-stop/

Offline jobsworth

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2019, 11:13 AM »
good to see ya posting again Garry. Been a while. I guess you were to busy flying that helicopter  [big grin]

Offline sprior

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2019, 11:18 AM »
If you have a 3D printer (or know someone who does), here is the 3D printable MFT fence clamping system I came up with on Thingiverse.

The original thread about it is here.

Offline Lincoln

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2019, 07:11 AM »
I used the Incra 'L' brackets to attach the fence. It's also pushed up against a couple of dogs.

Offline Lincoln

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2019, 07:12 AM »
Another pic.

Offline Lincoln

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2019, 07:16 AM »
The fence is rock solid. You could use bolts through those L brackets to make removal easier, but mine stays there full time, so I didn't worry about that.

Offline tdwilli1

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2019, 09:31 AM »
How did you get that flip stop to work? were you able to somehow reverse the locking plates?

Offline Lincoln

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2019, 04:47 PM »
No, it fits on the fence as is - but, because it's designed for the higher fence, when the stop flips down it hits the table top before it hits the fence - you can't use it as a stop for narrow pieces. (It usually goes with my Incra mitre gauge, on my router table)

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2019, 06:41 PM »
How did you get that flip stop to work? were you able to somehow reverse the locking plates?

He's turned the "flip" around. The racks are on different sides on the Incra Track and Flip fence. Here's the original...


Offline AndrewG

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2019, 06:14 PM »
I’ve decided to make my own MFT table. I went and had a look at a MFT/3 the other day and it was smaller than I would have liked.

Looks like Axminster has the PGS mark 2 in stock so I’m looking to order soon.

At the moment I’m thinking of getting:

- PGS mark 2
- 2 x UJK squares (really like the look of these)
- 2 x wedge camp clamps (comes with 6 smaller parf dogs)
- Super parf dogs x 2
- Dust port for UJK
- Chamfer tool for UJK (don’t have a chamfer router bit)
- Rail clips
- the depth bit collar for the drill bit

I’m also looking at adding the trade blitz centrotec locking bit holder and the depth bit holder. Any thoughts on these?

Anything else you can recommend? I’ve looked at the non Festool centrotec bits and there’s nothing that really catches my eye. I’ve got all the drill bits I need, and they don’t sell Robertson bits. Anything I’ve missed?

Also, is there really a need for a fence? Using a few dogs as a fence and clamping a stop block for repeat cuts seems to achieve the same thing as a fence with a flip stop? The only thing I can think of is that if you added a scale to a fence it may be quicker to make cuts?

Cheers

Offline infer

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Re: MFT/3 v Make your own plus fence
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2019, 01:09 AM »
I made a slightly larger workbench with the PGS V1 a few months ago. 140cm x 80cm. A fence with a flag stop is very nice to have on hand for repeatable cuts.
I would recommend you either go big with an Incra track and shop stop or a cheap veritas extrusion with the veritas flip stop. It makes the mft style bench much more capable and fast. I also recommend something to hold the dogs secure from bellow the top for better accuracy on cuts.