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Offline stphnlwlsh

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MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« on: May 25, 2014, 01:03 PM »
Just got my Parf Dogs from Lee Valley and finally got my incra fence and 1080 rail square. Made an alignment block out of some scrap red oak for both the 1080 rail and the calibration of the Incra fence. Just thought I'd share. I've been really happy with the setup so far.

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Offline dutchie

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2014, 05:13 AM »
Just got my Parf Dogs from Lee Valley and finally got my incra fence and 1080 rail square. Made an alignment block out of some scrap red oak for both the 1080 rail and the calibration of the Incra fence. Just thought I'd share. I've been really happy with the setup so far.

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Looks like a smart setup to me! These are the incra tracks with the 1mm teeth right? Could you post a close up of the shop stop in action? I'm particularly curious how easy/accurate you can read the distance on the scales!

Offline Cellule

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2014, 07:41 AM »
This is the Best setup but it will be nicier with the incra flipstop  [laughing]

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2014, 10:59 AM »
This is the Best setup but it will be nicier with the incra flipstop  [laughing]

I have been trying something similar with the Incra miter 3000 HD on my DIY MFT.  I have miter channels in the table top so I can mount the miter gauge.  The problem with both Incra fences is that they cannot go -under- the Festool track without limiting the minimum thickness of the material to cut.  Having the fence going under the track is important for supporting the material when it is short.  Currently I am toying with using a Woodpecker supertrack, but I then lose the incremental stops.  The other option may be to mount another fence piece on the bottom of the Incra track, and that and only that piece extends to go below the track.

Offline stphnlwlsh

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2014, 11:14 AM »
Looks like a smart setup to me! These are the incra tracks with the 1mm teeth right? Could you post a close up of the shop stop in action? I'm particularly curious how easy/accurate you can read the distance on the scales!

I'll try to get one tonight.  It takes some getting used to because the 1mm teeth are pretty darn small.  I had to get the metric conversion kit also, but it's really easy to put together.

This is the Best setup but it will be nicier with the incra flipstop  [laughing]

I have been trying something similar with the Incra miter 3000 HD on my DIY MFT.  I have miter channels in the table top so I can mount the miter gauge.  The problem with both Incra fences is that they cannot go -under- the Festool track without limiting the minimum thickness of the material to cut.  Having the fence going under the track is important for supporting the material when it is short.  Currently I am toying with using a Woodpecker supertrack, but I then lose the incremental stops.  The other option may be to mount another fence piece on the bottom of the Incra track, and that and only that piece extends to go below the track.

True.  I kept my MFT/3 fence for this very purpose.  I haven't really needed to cut anything less than 21 cm yet, but what I would probably do is go with another shorter Incra fence on the offcut side a la Half-Inch Shy's offcut fence setup

Offline Sean KS

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2014, 12:02 PM »
Incra has a telescoping version of this fence. The arm of that telescope is only .5" tall. You'd have to add a block to the front of it but it could work pretty slick

Offline amt

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2014, 12:24 PM »
I have the telescoping fence, but I was not happy with the straightness of it.  My telescoping fence bows down a bit, which causes it to lift the whole fence when telescoped out.  Kind of disappointed in the telescoping part...  I may just try to use a 1/4" thick piece of steel attached to the bottom of the Incra flip fence.

Offline Sean KS

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2014, 01:11 PM »
I had the same issue. I checked the straightness of the extrusion and it was within close tolerence. So I added another bolt hole to reinforce the stability. Worked well. The mft surface in this case should also ensure flatness or at least help
To orientate the telescope. I do agree that there are limitations to the accuracy of the telescope no matter what

Offline tdwilli1

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2014, 09:46 AM »
What fence is this? I can't seem to find it on Incra's site.

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2014, 10:09 AM »

Offline stphnlwlsh

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2014, 06:41 PM »
http://www.incrementaltools.com/INCRA_Track_System_52_p/tracksys52.htm

Coincidence. Just had ordered myself....

If I had to do it again, I'd probably get a shorter fence. The 52" sticks off the end a bit too far for my taste.

Offline RobBob

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2014, 06:50 PM »
http://www.incrementaltools.com/INCRA_Track_System_52_p/tracksys52.htm

Coincidence. Just had ordered myself....

If I had to do it again, I'd probably get a shorter fence. The 52" sticks off the end a bit too far for my taste.

I guess you had to turn the scale around so that you could read it from the front of the mft?

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2014, 07:54 PM »
Get a second MFT/3. That's my plan....

Offline stphnlwlsh

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2014, 10:39 PM »
http://www.incrementaltools.com/INCRA_Track_System_52_p/tracksys52.htm

Coincidence. Just had ordered myself....

If I had to do it again, I'd probably get a shorter fence. The 52" sticks off the end a bit too far for my taste.

I guess you had to turn the scale around so that you could read it from the front of the mft?

Nope. Incra sells right to left reading scales.

Offline stphnlwlsh

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2014, 10:40 PM »
Get a second MFT/3. That's my plan....

That's a much better plan...   [cool]

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2014, 04:56 PM »
Plan executed.... I am digging myself deeper and deeper in da green hole......

Offline insurroundsound

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2016, 03:19 PM »
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Just got my Parf Dogs from Lee Valley and finally got my incra fence and 1080 rail square. Made an alignment block out of some scrap red oak for both the 1080 rail and the calibration of the Incra fence. Just thought I'd share. I've been really happy with the setup so far.

Sorry, but why's the alignment block needed? After using this setup for a bit, have you made any changes/improvements to it?  Still recommend?
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Offline thedevme

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2019, 08:05 PM »
Just got my Parf Dogs from Lee Valley and finally got my incra fence and 1080 rail square. Made an alignment block out of some scrap red oak for both the 1080 rail and the calibration of the Incra fence. Just thought I'd share. I've been really happy with the setup so far.

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@stphnlwlsh I know this is an old post but by any chance do you remember how thick your mft3 alignment piece was or is?

Offline cubevandude

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2019, 10:05 PM »
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Sorry, but why's the alignment block needed? After using this setup for a bit, have you made any changes/improvements to it?  Still recommend?

I believe it is to offset the rail so you aren't cutting through the dog holes.

Offline box185

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2019, 12:23 AM »

The problem with both Incra fences is that they cannot go -under- the Festool track without limiting the minimum thickness of the material to cut.  Having the fence going under the track is important for supporting the material when it is short.

I do realize this is an old thread . . .

I use the Incra Fence attached directly to the MFT/3 top, but installed a 3/16 inch aluminum flat bar under the Incra Fence that also sits proud of the front face of Incra Fence. The flat bar extends under the Festool Rail to within 5 mm of the kerf, providing support for material under the fence. The flat bar is the real fence, being aligned to bench dogs in the same way as shown in the OP's image. The Incra Fence only provides the repeatable positioning with the stop. I would like to integrate Incra positioning into an extrusion other than the Incra Fence, but I have not found a suitable solution.

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2019, 07:50 PM »

The problem with both Incra fences is that they cannot go -under- the Festool track without limiting the minimum thickness of the material to cut.  Having the fence going under the track is important for supporting the material when it is short.

I do realize this is an old thread . . .

I use the Incra Fence attached directly to the MFT/3 top, but installed a 3/16 inch aluminum flat bar under the Incra Fence that also sits proud of the front face of Incra Fence. The flat bar extends under the Festool Rail to within 5 mm of the kerf, providing support for material under the fence. The flat bar is the real fence, being aligned to bench dogs in the same way as shown in the OP's image. The Incra Fence only provides the repeatable positioning with the stop. I would like to integrate Incra positioning into an extrusion other than the Incra Fence, but I have not found a suitable solution.

@box185 Do you have a picture by any chance? Also are you using the fence festool provided or did you buy one online?
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Offline box185

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2019, 01:26 AM »
Something like this . . . these are some SketchUp drawings I made when I was planning this approach. The Incra Fence is attached to the flat bar permanently, and sits slightly behind the front face of the flat bar. The flat bar attaches to the MFT/3 as needed . . . mostly useful for support under the Festool Rail ( not shown in these images ). I did need to add a large ( >20 mm ) hole for the bench dog used to reference the Festool Guide Rail.




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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2019, 02:10 AM »
Something like this . . . these are some SketchUp drawings I made when I was planning this approach. The Incra Fence is attached to the flat bar permanently, and sits slightly behind the front face of the flat bar. The flat bar attaches to the MFT/3 as needed . . . mostly useful for support under the Festool Rail ( not shown in these images ). I did need to add a large ( >20 mm ) hole for the bench dog used to reference the Festool Guide Rail.

Thank you for sharing

Offline TealaG

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2019, 04:10 PM »
box185 - have you considered buying the incra positioner pieces separately and attaching it to a piece of wood that was cut to a size suitable for the stop, then attaching that to some 80/20?   I'm not sure what you had in mind for an extrusion, but it seems to me that the incra "rack" pieces are the key to your solution.

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2019, 05:54 PM »
I have a 52" Incra fence and multiple stops that are attached to my MFT with UHMW brackets so that it sits off the table.  I can crosscut 27-28 1/2".  I have Woodpeckers MFT square to insure that my rail is square.    291714-0     
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Offline Rhino1789

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2019, 08:52 PM »
Rst- can you share model numbers for your brackets that affix the fence to the MFT? Do you have any squareness issues with this setup? If you had to do it over again, would you do anything differently? I like the idea of having 28” crosscut capacity on the MFT. Nice work!

Offline box185

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2019, 08:06 AM »
box185 - have you considered buying the incra positioner pieces separately and attaching it to a piece of wood that was cut to a size suitable for the stop, then attaching that to some 80/20?   I'm not sure what you had in mind for an extrusion, but it seems to me that the incra "rack" pieces are the key to your solution.

Yes, indeed . . . as the project moved forward, I was looking at placing the rack pieces on the underside of a DIY MFT style work surface, but attached to another piece of aluminum flat bar for convenience. In this position, they would not need to be removed and would remain "calibrated" to the bench dogs - the calibration being significantly easier with the metric version of the gratings.

Still working on this . . .

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2019, 08:55 AM »


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Offline whatskenbuilding

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2019, 12:57 PM »
@rst  where do you get those molds for the MFT table?

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2019, 01:12 PM »
Pretty sure the answer is;    UHMW > tablesaw = MFT 3 profile.

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2019, 06:22 AM »
Micheal is mostly correct...table saw and router table.  I used a 45% router bit to create the V with shoulders.

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2019, 07:54 PM »
@rst  Thanks!

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Re: MFT/3 with Incra Fence and Shop Stop
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2019, 12:02 PM »
I have a 52" Incra fence and multiple stops that are attached to my MFT with UHMW brackets so that it sits off the table.  I can crosscut 27-28 1/2".  I have Woodpeckers MFT square to insure that my rail is square.    (Attachment Link)      
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I've bought the Shop Stop and would like to mount it similarly for maximum width so thanks for sharing your solution.