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Offline AndrewG

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #150 on: March 17, 2019, 10:49 PM »
Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to attach a measurement scale to the 80/20? I’m thinking of using it as a MFT fence?

Many thanks,
Andy

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Offline rst

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #151 on: March 18, 2019, 08:24 AM »
I use industrial stick on tapes, I have 16'ers one on both sides of my saw used for prepping storefront aluminum, and 8'ers on either side of my Makita slider at home.  I made my extensions with 8020 extrusions and my scale is attached to their triangular extrusion.
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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #152 on: March 18, 2019, 10:23 AM »
Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to attach a measurement scale to the 80/20? I’m thinking of using it as a MFT fence?

Starrett makes self adhesive tapes available in imperial and metric.

Also available in L to R and R to L measurement.

http://us.test.starrett.com/category/jobsite--shop-tools/measure-stix/310105#currentPage=1&displayMode=grid&itemsPerPage=12&sortBy=wp/asc







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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #153 on: March 18, 2019, 11:08 AM »
Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to attach a measurement scale to the 80/20? I’m thinking of using it as a MFT fence?

Starrett makes self adhesive tapes available in imperial and metric.

Also available in L to R and R to L measurement.

http://us.test.starrett.com/category/jobsite--shop-tools/measure-stix/310105#currentPage=1&displayMode=grid&itemsPerPage=12&sortBy=wp/asc

Starrett’s are too wide. Kreg’s do fit perfectly but they are costly.


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Offline tallgrass

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #154 on: March 19, 2019, 03:37 AM »
Costly? More expensive than cutting mistakes. More expensive than the time lost looking for an economical alternative. I am not saying money means nothing, however unless one's time is worth very little, I would argue save you time , get what you need and move forward. 2cents
 

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #155 on: March 19, 2019, 09:15 AM »
L.V. have 8 different auto adhesive tapes

L to R, R to L, Imperial, Metric, 1/2", 3/4"

From 14$ to 17$ each

P.S. I suggest that you use nail varnish on each ends to prevent peeling.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2019, 09:21 AM by Mario Turcot »
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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #156 on: March 19, 2019, 10:54 AM »
Regarding cutting aluminum, I've spent considerable time cutting 6061 with my Kapex and table saw for my own work tables. I bought blades designed for cutting aluminum from Forrest for both. Though many will remind us that it's not very hard, aluminum is "sticky" in a machining sort of way, and I've found that a product called Tap Magic Aluminum is ideal for smoothing both the cutting action and the result. You still need to proceed carefully and make certain you secure the material.
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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #157 on: March 19, 2019, 11:34 AM »
Regarding cutting aluminum, I've spent considerable time cutting 6061 with my Kapex and table saw for my own work tables. I bought blades designed for cutting aluminum from Forrest for both. Though many will remind us that it's not very hard, aluminum is "sticky" in a machining sort of way, and I've found that a product called Tap Magic Aluminum is ideal for smoothing both the cutting action and the result.

I used to use Tap Magic but it gets a bit messy, I now use this Milwaukee soap/wax for the last 4-5 years on the band saw and the 14" chop saw. I just rub it on the blade every couple of cuts.


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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #158 on: March 19, 2019, 12:23 PM »
Costly? More expensive than cutting mistakes. More expensive than the time lost looking for an economical alternative. I am not saying money means nothing, however unless one's time is worth very little, I would argue save you time , get what you need and move forward. 2cents
Fair point we are on the Festool forum discussing 80/20. $15 for an adhesive tape is a rounding error :)


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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #159 on: May 05, 2019, 09:28 PM »
Finally had time (& weather) this weekend to pull off a major usability improvement in the tiny shop. This has been brewing for a while and I got energized last month by @Cheese thread on routing access slots into the 80/20 extrusion for Festool clamps.

What this lead to was adding a worktop along the entire rear wall (~11-1/2') of the shop so I had room for most of my benchtop tools while leaving room underneath for storage. I've been so focused on making everything portable on casters that I lost sight of how friggin' great it is to have large fixed work areas.

Setting the stage - a badly overcrowded 10' by 12' shop:



The new work surface, which is vastly improved using the 1515 extrusion:



Total of 3 ~48" sections, laminated 2X 18mm ply for rigidity, only 2 legs @ the joints with everything else anchored to the walls.



The beauty of this is the height is 40" w/ a total top thickness of 2" leaving me ~38" underneath. Years ago I standardized all my carts/cabinets @ 37" so now any of the old stuff can just roll underneath for storage:



Clamps slide in the Cheese-inspired routed slots:



Already had some French cleat tool holders I use on the MFT cart:







A side benefit to the new work surface, which I wasn't really focused on, is using all the stuff designed to attach to 80/20 & French cleats:







Totally excited to think I'll be able to use the bench tools without having to move something first.

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Offline neilc

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #160 on: May 05, 2019, 10:14 PM »

That looks great.  Like the french cleats and how you use on the wall as well as the front of the bench!

I see you have a Swag table on your portaband.  I have one as well.  Thinking about making two bench top tables for the sides for holding stock that is longer or when I want to cut an accurate angle.

I just made this table using a Dewalt battery operated portaband, a Swag table and a MIG welder with a battery powered hand grinder.

Amazing what you can do with patience and a few tools.  Excited to see what's next coming out of your shop!  Thanks for sharing!

neil
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #161 on: May 05, 2019, 10:43 PM »
Very nice Richard.

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #162 on: May 05, 2019, 10:56 PM »
Richard I’m impressed and I don’t impress easily.  [smile]

Great job and I’m humbled with your tenacity to turn an area that’s the size of a postage stamp into a full fledged shop. Kudos to you.   [big grin] [big grin]

Every day I P&M about how small my 30’ x 20’ shop is and then you post this and by all means your shop is a totally functional facility which includes welding facilities.

I need to just give thanks for what I have and to reinvent the space. Thanks for the post. I’ll endeavor to do better in the future.

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #163 on: May 06, 2019, 08:21 AM »

That looks great.  Like the french cleats and how you use on the wall as well as the front of the bench!

I see you have a Swag table on your portaband.  I have one as well.  Thinking about making two bench top tables for the sides for holding stock that is longer or when I want to cut an accurate angle.

I just made this table using a Dewalt battery operated portaband, a Swag table and a MIG welder with a battery powered hand grinder.

Amazing what you can do with patience and a few tools.  Excited to see what's next coming out of your shop!  Thanks for sharing!

neil

@neilc I like the herringbone pattern, assume you are adding a glass top? I have a couple more slabs squirreled away & once I finish the current one for a niece I plan to tackle a particularly beautiful maple crotch for our home. Tables have been the shop specialty for the past several years but I'm burning out on live edges since they have become the YT rage. I really want to explore some more artistic metalwork and push myself to beyond my utility trailer building level of skill.

The legs for this one, which I'm only middelin' happy with the design of, are underneath the welding table waiting for patina and the top to be finished:





Yep the FC TS55 thingie has saved the saw from being tugged off the cart by the retractor on the hose/cord countless times. Next up is a simple/small FC router table attachment for the DW palm routers.

Like @Cheese I am fortunate to have the space and tools I that do, no complaints however I am sometimes wistful when I recall the former ~800 SF-ish shop I left behind in PA. Trade off required to live @ the shore.

I've been seriously impressed by what the current crowd of welding/makers can do with a 4.5" grinder, a couple files & a buzz box. It's given me a severe inferiority complex considering the riches I have available to work with.

Buried under the welding cart is a cold chop saw that does most cutting but the portaband makes short work of smaller or more intricate metalwork. I upgraded to DeWalt 20V/60V last year and added the small bandsaw but the tool that's gotten the most work is the 4.5" grinder. Cordless is the only way to go IMHO.

Adding the welding tools really sidetracked me for about a year, reorganizing to make room to actually be able to work. Now it's time to get back to using the space/tools to actually make cool stuff. Spring is the best time around here for so many reasons, not least that I can move projects outdoors when the rain-gods permit.

Thanks all.

RMW
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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #164 on: May 06, 2019, 08:24 AM »
Richard I’m impressed and I don’t impress easily.  [smile]

Great job and I’m humbled with your tenacity to turn an area that’s the size of a postage stamp into a full fledged shop. Kudos to you.   [big grin] [big grin]

Every day I P&M about how small my 30’ x 20’ shop is and then you post this and by all means your shop is a totally functional facility which includes welding facilities.

I need to just give thanks for what I have and to reinvent the space. Thanks for the post. I’ll endeavor to do better in the future.

Aw shucks & geeze... & thank you.

Been following the LED's thread, thank you for making that knowledge available. I didn't realize heat was the issue it is until you posted your work. That'll probably keep a lot of us from making costly mistakes.

RMW
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Offline neilc

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #165 on: May 06, 2019, 08:29 AM »
Richard -  the table is for a TV.  No glass. Just open top.
I think of it as the table you’ll never have to dust!

I like the foot detail on your welded base. 

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #166 on: May 06, 2019, 08:33 AM »
Richard -  the table is for a TV.  No glass. Just open top.
I think of it as the table you’ll never have to dust!

I like the foot detail on your welded base.

Even better Neil, I'm not a fan of glass tops since every time I pass one I'm tempted to clean it...

Thanks,

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Offline rvieceli

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #167 on: May 06, 2019, 09:14 AM »
Richard I follow a few welders on Instagram. These two are among the stand outs.

This guy can make a weld disappear. @blend_fabrication

This one if you like to see the welds in all their glory. @focusonthearc

Take a look.

Ron

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #168 on: May 06, 2019, 10:11 AM »
I like the X legs!

Your new work surface is inspiring me to build an 80/20 frame around my newly relocated washer/dryer. That way I can salvage some lost space. (Giving part of my shop to my wife)

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #169 on: May 06, 2019, 11:00 AM »

I just made this table using a Dewalt battery operated portaband, a Swag table and a MIG welder with a battery powered hand grinder.


Nice job on the table neil...I like the herringbone in-fill.   [big grin]  I concur with using the RA grinder. I use a Milwaukee M18 for everything. 95% of the time it wears either a PFERD flap disc, a .040" cut-off wheel or a diamond wheel for smoothing concrete & stone. I've sold all of my corded RA grinders.

I need to check out the Swag table. My Milwaukee band saw is in a Milwaukee table but that is an old school style that was designed for cutting pipe.


Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #171 on: May 06, 2019, 07:50 PM »
@Cheese I have been thinking about this saw:

https://www.trick-tools.com/Femi_782XL_Benchtop_Mitering_Bandsaw_F_782XL_000_00_0_000_2209?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4bGOuauH4gIVgobACh0YuASzEAQYASABEgLjBPD_BwE

Ron

I have the cheap WEN version cluttering up my office if anyone wants to take it off my hands cheap. Thought it'd replace the chop saw and portaband. Nope.

RMW
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Offline rvieceli

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #172 on: May 06, 2019, 09:22 PM »
Obviously what would be really nice is this HEM 260 BSA but I don’t have the room or a spare $9000 laying around.

https://www.redlinestands.com/catalog/shop-equipment-c-327/general-shop-equipment-c-327_335/benchtop-bandsaw-c-327_335_360/femi-hem-saw-260bsa-double-miter-bandsaw-p-2712

The HEM 782 gets pretty good reviews for what it is. This one is probably a bit more robust but it’s 2.5 times the cost.

https://www.trick-tools.com/Femi_NG120XL_Benchtop_Mitering_Bandsaw_F_008485_001_00_2211

Ron

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #173 on: May 07, 2019, 09:53 AM »
@Cheese I have been thinking about this saw:

https://www.trick-tools.com/Femi_782XL_Benchtop_Mitering_Bandsaw_F_782XL_000_00_0_000_2209?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4bGOuauH4gIVgobACh0YuASzEAQYASABEgLjBPD_BwE


That's interesting Ron...never heard of Femi before. All of their tools, even the inexpensive ones, appear to be made in Italy.  [smile]  I like the blade guides but I really like how the throat size is adjustable for a better cut. The old Milwaukee/Portaband models don't have that feature.

Femi also offers M42 bandsaw blades. [thumbs up] [thumbs up]  That's probably the reason they state you can cut stainless with it.

One thing to note though if you are interested in purchasing the 782XL, the 2-speed model will NOT cut stainless as the blade speed is too high. You need to purchase the variable speed model.

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #174 on: May 12, 2019, 08:27 PM »
Yahoo! Houston, we have ignition.

Just to round out the shop usability update, I had a chance yesterday work in the new layout and... it works.

I actually used the bandsaw, disk sander & drill press along with the welding table without needing to move anything outside the 4 walls.  In my world, this counts as success. I can reposition the bench tools as needed/if needed depending on type/length of materials:



I think I'll move the CNC (now at the LH corner of the new worktop) over to the right into the dead corner area above to the welding table which should make the bench tools even more usable without moving anything. 

Welding table in use:





Steel storage - I got a wee bit over enthusiastic when I bought the welder, happens when I visit Joseph Fazzio's. 500# or more of steel that's been standing in the corner now has a home:







And everything's back in its place at the end of the day:



I did have a disappointment when I thought I'd finally have a place to use the Z-vise. What's wrong with this picture?



For the first time in I don't know how long there is nothing in the shop that doesn't have its own at least semi-permanent place. Feels good, and just in time for spring/summer shop season. We even got the flowers, 'maters & peppas planted, our Mom's day tradition.



Happy M-Day to any moms out there.

RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #175 on: May 12, 2019, 08:59 PM »
Richard - I can't believe I'm seeing what I'm seeing!
You have sent some serious time thinking this through. The homs shop equivalent of the TINY HOUSE movement.

Thank you for sharing this inspiration.

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Offline rvieceli

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #176 on: May 12, 2019, 09:16 PM »
Looks good Richard. On the vise, is it just handle hitting the work bench? Can you get rid of the handle and substitute something that you could use a ratchet and a socket on?

Ron

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #177 on: May 12, 2019, 10:31 PM »
Nice stuff Richard...although I do think the Milwaukee chop deserves a better position than being just 2" above high tide.  [poke] [poke]

Offline Bob D.

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #178 on: May 13, 2019, 04:47 AM »
Fazzio's is a great place isn't it Rich. Been going there for 30+ years, back when it was just a hole in the wall and nothing but surplus and nuts-n-bolts.
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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #179 on: May 13, 2019, 06:46 AM »
Does Fazzio's have 80/20?
I've frequently bought Aluminum there, but haven't seen any in the front section.

How do you guys buy steel when you go there?  Do you have to call first and get a quote?  I like their Al section where you can just go and pick out what you want.