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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #120 on: April 02, 2019, 07:24 AM »
Totally agree with Jiggy, seems like you've drawn the short straw multiple times. My replacement stick arrived via TNT/FedEx in the same packaging and not damaged.

I mated the 2 sticks up & tested all holes and they were a precise slip fit with a little pop/click. Given you've had the same tight fit on multiple sets of sticks I'd suspect the OD of the pin/guide is the issue.

I have zero doubt that @AxminsterTools will make it right.

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Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #121 on: April 02, 2019, 08:29 AM »
Totally agree with Jiggy, seems like you've drawn the short straw multiple times. My replacement stick arrived via TNT/FedEx in the same packaging and not damaged.

I mated the 2 sticks up & tested all holes and they were a precise slip fit with a little pop/click. Given you've had the same tight fit on multiple sets of sticks I'd suspect the OD of the pin/guide is the issue.

I have zero doubt that @AxminsterTools will make it right.

RMW

This last package came TNT/FedEx but my original Parf Guide System and another order I place cam DHL. The DHL packages were pristine and the items were packaged much better. New order and after sales shipping must be different?

Offline box185

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #122 on: April 02, 2019, 09:04 AM »
New order and after sales shipping must be different?

That’s my experience as well - the two latest new orders were shipped DHL, the two Parf Stick replacement packages I received were shipped TNT/FedEx.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #123 on: April 02, 2019, 09:41 AM »
New order and after sales shipping must be different?

That’s my experience as well - the two latest new orders were shipped DHL, the two Parf Stick replacement packages I received were shipped TNT/FedEx.

If Axminister is watching here just a packaging suggestion. I don't think tubes ship well even domestically. I recently received a long extrusion that use to to be shipped in a tube but it came in a long square box. I also ordered some side moldings for my car and they were in a tube but it had a stiff cardboard angle taped to the outside. Thinking this is for stiffness and to prevent it from rolling under something like a tire [wink].   

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #124 on: April 02, 2019, 12:04 PM »
New order and after sales shipping must be different?

That’s my experience as well - the two latest new orders were shipped DHL, the two Parf Stick replacement packages I received were shipped TNT/FedEx.

Now that you mention it I had the same experience, all stock orders are DHL. Could have something to do with how they ship standard orders from their primary logistics/fulfillment center versus shipping replacements.

FWIW the DHL shipments have gotten to me in 2-3 days (US east coast) which absolutely blows my mind given the very reasonable shipping charges and sometimes awkward (long/skinny) packaging.

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #125 on: April 02, 2019, 12:33 PM »
@Mike Goetzke - @box185 – Richard/RMW
Your packaging comments back up our decision to ship the Parf Guide System in rectangular boxes from Day One. We will take this topic up when we next meet with AXMINSTER. Your comments provided additional ammunition to make improvements.
Shipping and packaging are a never ending opportunity for improving customer experience.

Thanks guys for posting
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Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #126 on: April 02, 2019, 12:37 PM »
@TSO Products

Just to be clear, the original purchased part delivered by DHL was in a rectangular box. The replacement was shipped by TNT in a round tube.

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #127 on: April 02, 2019, 01:00 PM »
The original orders are basically double packaged, 1st in their retail display tubes and second inside the shipping box.

Even so, I suspect a careless handler somewhere in the shipping chain could still mangle them without too much effort.

RMW
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Offline box185

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #128 on: April 03, 2019, 02:25 PM »
@TSO Products

Axminster shipped this package to me using DHL. It was a new order for three additional Parf Sticks. The package has clearly been stepped on - that may be why it was split open.

The sticks inside were not bent, but the condition of the package may help you insist on changes at Axminster.

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #129 on: April 03, 2019, 02:43 PM »
@TSO Products

Axminster shipped this package to me using DHL. It was a new order for three additional Parf Sticks. The package has clearly been stepped on - that may be why it was split open.

The sticks inside were not bent, but the condition of the package may help you insist on changes at Axminster.

@box185 - thank you for the picture which I will share with AXMINSTER Tools now and also use it when I discuss packaging among other topics during my upcoming AXMINSTER Tools management level meeting in Axminster, Devon, UK . I have to tell you that as a company, their top management is most receptive to feedback aimed at improving the customer experience. We all agree that prevention is more cost effective than "making good afterwards".

Hans

Offline Solly1

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #130 on: April 03, 2019, 03:35 PM »
Your packaging comments back up our decision to ship the Parf Guide System in rectangular boxes from Day One. We will take this topic up when we next meet with AXMINSTER. Your comments provided additional ammunition to make improvements.
Shipping and packaging are a never ending opportunity for improving customer experience.

Thanks guys for posting
Hans and Eric

@TSO Products - seems like the perfect opportunity to discuss instigating, what seems to be on the surface, obvious improvements to the execution ...
a) a quality check at the end of manufacture that emulates the tests we are all doing in this thread to identify discrepancies before they reach customers (e.g.a highly accurate machined rack with 17 x 6mm posts that each ruler is stacked upon, or discarded if not able to be)
b) the same checks retrospectively performed on all in stock units before they go out to customers
c) a packing and shipping protocol that maintains the integrity of the system, rules in particular, in transit

@Mike Goetzke - can't but help feel for your bad luck - one thought, is it possible the bending of your rules has "stretched" them thereby misaligning / distorting the diameter of the holes just enough to cause the issues? Pin diameter tolerances aside of course.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2019, 03:49 PM by Solly1 »

Offline box185

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #131 on: April 04, 2019, 10:00 AM »
The feedback below was sent to Axminster this morning regarding the UJK Technology Parf Ruler 104450

I ordered / received three additional Parf Sticks as a supplement to my MKII Parf Guide system.

On the first stick I looked at, neither MKII drill guilde ( short or long stub ) would go completely through any of the 6mm holes from the top side of the Parf Stick. The short stub drill guide would go INTO all of the holes from the BOTTOM SIDE, but the flat bottom surface of the drill guide would NOT sit flat on the Parf Stick.

On the second stick I looked at, the short stub drill guide would properly seat from the top side of the Parf Stick on the even numbered holes, but not the odd numbered holes.

I did not yet take the time to look at the third Parf Stick, but expectations are low.

Offline box185

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #132 on: April 04, 2019, 10:01 AM »
Since most of the holes were undersized, I was not able to look at hole alignment between different sticks.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #133 on: April 04, 2019, 10:28 AM »
Since most of the holes were undersized, I was not able to look at hole alignment between different sticks.

@box185

I was holding back to comment until I received my third set of rules, but, looks like you have the same issue I had with the CNC'd rules.

Axminister is trying to take care of me as many have said. Once I found they were sending me out a third set I couldn't stop myself from looking at the second set of rules I received that were bent that I tried to straighten. The appearance of the holes on the CNC'd rules is shinny from afar compared to the punched original rules. I looked at the holes closer with my visor-magnifiers and saw some fine crud in the holes. So I took out my HF needle file with a convex profile and very lightly scrubbed around the holes. I could now get the shoulder bolt and long drill guide to fit in the stacked rules  [big grin]. It doesn't drop right in but it fits like a glove!

This begs the question though why the short drill guide and pins seem looser. At least you would think the drill guides would be similar in size.

Bottom line, barring poor packaging and/or poor handling, If I get a straight set of rules, I may need to deburr the holes, but, should be ready to make my tables.

Mike

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #134 on: April 04, 2019, 10:46 AM »
The appearance of the holes on the CNC'd rules is shinny from afar compared to the punched original rules. I looked at the holes closer with my visor-magnifiers and saw some fine crud in the holes.

I also saw those crud flakes on the bench when I tried pressing the drill guide into the 6mm holes - a powder substance that may be related to anodizing, but I'm not certain.
So I took out my HF needle file with a convex profile and very lightly scrubbed around the holes. I could now get the shoulder bolt and long drill guide to fit in the stacked rules [big grin]. It doesn't drop right in but it fits like a glove!

I thought about doing this too - thanks for confirming that it works. I guess I should be happy that I received straight sticks.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2019, 01:53 AM by box185 »

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #135 on: April 04, 2019, 08:34 PM »
The appearance of the holes on the CNC'd rules is shinny from afar compared to the punched original rules. I looked at the holes closer with my visor-magnifiers and saw some fine crud in the holes.

I also saw those crud flakes on the bench when I tried pressing the drill guide into the 6mm holes - a powder substance that may be related to anodizing, but I'm not certain.
So I took out my HF needle file with a convex profile and very lightly scrubbed around the holes. I could now get the shoulder bolt and long drill guide to fit in the stacked rules [big grin]. It doesn't drop right in but it fits like a glove!

I thought about doing this too - thanks for confirming that it works. I guess I should be happy that I received straight sticks.

@box185

OMG yet another issue  [scared] - after reading your post I tried out my drill guides in the holes again. Like you said they do not sit flat on the rule - they actually rock quite a bit. Again I pulled my magnifying-visors out and there is material that has been rolled proud of the surface of the rule (most likely during the chamfering process). I have a chamfering tool and corrected it on one hole but these rules are thin and don't want to loose the main bored hole. Probably safer to sand them down but then you scratch the printed surface. Better yet Axminister should have used a back-deburring tool.

I think they need to consult with an engineer for a few hours to fix this design up. Just a few relatively simple corrections needed to make their customers happy and their pocketbooks fatter.

Mike 

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #136 on: April 04, 2019, 09:24 PM »
TSO has received notice that the latest shipment of Parf Guide Systems Mark 1 and Mark 2 from AXMINSTER has cleared customs and we expect to start shipping this coming week to fulfill all open orders  [smile]

Tracking numbers will be generated automatically and emailed to all our customers as the shipping labels are generated.

Thank you all for your patience and support!
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Offline gnlman

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #137 on: April 04, 2019, 09:35 PM »
Rec'd my third set of rules and same issue....threaded pin very hard to push in hole one of both rules so I could check for alignment. I did ask before the rules where shipped to me to have someone inspect them. There were finger/smudge marks on the rules unlike my second complete set I was shipped...so I was hopeful. I had to spin the longer shouldered drill guide in most of the holes as they are very tight most have loosened up... still a few stubborn ones... and there are ridges, mostly on the bottom of the rules, but upon checking again some on the top also.Now my longer shouldered drill guide has some ridges on the shoulder from spinning it to get it to set in the holes.. it still fits fairly snug though but can rock a bit in some of the holes....the holes do line up much better visually than my last set of rules, but when putting pin in 32 and 48 holes it does pull the rules out of alignment a bit...not sure if that is a big deal, nor am I sure if the slight ridges on a few of the holes on the top will cause any issues....there are more ridges on the bottom of the rules..thinking I'll take a chance and try another top...hopefully not wasting another 60 bucks turning a sheet of melamine into swiss cheese....If the folks checking the rules were just checking for alignment I can see where they would have thought these were fine...I'm starting to feel like I'm a "problem customer", but I ordered these mid November last year and the issues keeps going on. I know they will look after me, but it's getting hard to be excited about this product as time goes by and my project keeps getting delayed....but it's certainly not the end of the world...I'm just a hobby guy.
I am wondering if there are any other folks that have used this system, and have tighter holes perhaps with ridges on the rules that made a new top with good results..hence my reason for posting this before contacting axeminster again....
Greg

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #138 on: April 04, 2019, 09:38 PM »
I have found that both of my Parf sticks appear to be identical, with what appears to be machined rather than punched holes, and with the threaded pin in hole zero I can drop the longer drill guide into any hole with absolute ease, the scales on each rule also align perfectly. Fingerprints along both rules, fractionally raised painted lettering on both.

@Mike Goetzke, @box185, @gnlman

So it seems whist my previous observations holds true, I haven't avoided issues that prevent using the system ... I'll try my best to explain. Let me know if you see a better test method.

1) The rudimentary test of threaded pin in one end, double depth drill guide in any of the other holes, only seems to alerts you to any longitudinal discrepancy. With threaded pin in 0, and double depth drill guide in 10, clamped down - awl in 10 then drill guide tested in holes 5-9 reveal some lateral discrepancy on my pair of sticks. With some coaxing I can register the guide, but this results in some lateral deflection of the ruler. Your rules could marry, but this only proves they match, not that they are true.

2) There seems to be maybe 1 to 1.5mm flex possible in the middle of the rules with hole 0 and 10 pinned. Perhaps working inwards from the ends and registering pins (although only 3 provided) either side of the hole to be drilled would minimise the chance that you flex the rule while applying downward but perhaps slightly lateral pressure on the drill guide whilst drilling.

3) With a test set of a single row of 10 holes, and UJK dogs in holes 0 and 10, a third dog in any of the holes 2-9, results in a Veritas straight edge rocking to varying degrees around the middle dog pivot point, worsening at 0 as you move the central dog closer to 10. With a dog in 9 and 10 anchored, and the straight edge pulled tight to these dogs, the discrepancy at hole 0 is approx 2mm (8=1.75mm, 7=1.25mm, 6=1.1mm, 5=0.75mm, 4=0.6mm, 3=0.25mm, 2=0.1mm). At 1 and 10 it's negligible at 0. It therefore appears I have a "bow" in rule #1 from holes 2 to 10.

Same process with ruler #2, the discrepancies are in the same direction, but inaccuracy approx halved. See Point 1.

4) I understand that the edges of the rules are not to be used for any form of reference, but the "bow" explained above is also mirrored with the top or bottom edges of the rule up against the straight edge, and magnified if the rule is flipped over. It can also be exhibited by applying the straight edge to the pins inserted in the rule. Both my pins (within 0.04mm) and rules (within 0.1mm) appear to be relatively consistent widths according to my mediocre calipers for this test to hold some merit - the rule edges may bear no reference to the holes, but I would presume they are intended to be machined somewhat straight and parallel.

5) It's possible these discrepancies could be compounded, depending on which way you position your rules to do rows and columns, and magnified further over longer runs than 1000mm highlights (in my case more than doubled over 2400mm).

About to contact the local supplier in Oz (Carbatec, hopefully as helpful as Axminster) and pick up some more MDF stock to test the triangular impact of the discrepancies noted ...

Cheers
Solly
« Last Edit: April 04, 2019, 09:57 PM by Solly1 »

Offline gnlman

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« Reply #139 on: April 04, 2019, 09:59 PM »
Interesting..sounds like my second set of rules..they deflected as well with threaded pin in hole one and drill guide in hole ten.
I should have added to my last comment, that the rules I just rec'd I checked with veritas straight edge are completely straight...no rocking at all when straight edge held against both sides of both rules.
Greg
« Last Edit: April 04, 2019, 10:06 PM by gnlman »

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #140 on: April 05, 2019, 09:18 AM »
"Calling all machinists" - what methods/tools could be used to cleanup the burr on the chamfer that is proud of the ruler surface?

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #141 on: April 05, 2019, 10:03 AM »
I have found that both of my Parf sticks appear to be identical, with what appears to be machined rather than punched holes, and with the threaded pin in hole zero I can drop the longer drill guide into any hole with absolute ease, the scales on each rule also align perfectly. Fingerprints along both rules, fractionally raised painted lettering on both.

@Mike Goetzke, @box185, @gnlman

So it seems whist my previous observations holds true, I haven't avoided issues that prevent using the system ... I'll try my best to explain. Let me know if you see a better test method.

1) The rudimentary test of threaded pin in one end, double depth drill guide in any of the other holes, only seems to alerts you to any longitudinal discrepancy. With threaded pin in 0, and double depth drill guide in 10, clamped down - awl in 10 then drill guide tested in holes 5-9 reveal some lateral discrepancy on my pair of sticks. With some coaxing I can register the guide, but this results in some lateral deflection of the ruler. Your rules could marry, but this only proves they match, not that they are true.

2) There seems to be maybe 1 to 1.5mm flex possible in the middle of the rules with hole 0 and 10 pinned. Perhaps working inwards from the ends and registering pins (although only 3 provided) either side of the hole to be drilled would minimise the chance that you flex the rule while applying downward but perhaps slightly lateral pressure on the drill guide whilst drilling.

3) With a test set of a single row of 10 holes, and UJK dogs in holes 0 and 10, a third dog in any of the holes 2-9, results in a Veritas straight edge rocking to varying degrees around the middle dog pivot point, worsening at 0 as you move the central dog closer to 10. With a dog in 9 and 10 anchored, and the straight edge pulled tight to these dogs, the discrepancy at hole 0 is approx 2mm (8=1.75mm, 7=1.25mm, 6=1.1mm, 5=0.75mm, 4=0.6mm, 3=0.25mm, 2=0.1mm). At 1 and 10 it's negligible at 0. It therefore appears I have a "bow" in rule #1 from holes 2 to 10.

Same process with ruler #2, the discrepancies are in the same direction, but inaccuracy approx halved. See Point 1.

4) I understand that the edges of the rules are not to be used for any form of reference, but the "bow" explained above is also mirrored with the top or bottom edges of the rule up against the straight edge, and magnified if the rule is flipped over. It can also be exhibited by applying the straight edge to the pins inserted in the rule. Both my pins (within 0.04mm) and rules (within 0.1mm) appear to be relatively consistent widths according to my mediocre calipers for this test to hold some merit - the rule edges may bear no reference to the holes, but I would presume they are intended to be machined somewhat straight and parallel.

5) It's possible these discrepancies could be compounded, depending on which way you position your rules to do rows and columns, and magnified further over longer runs than 1000mm highlights (in my case more than doubled over 2400mm).

About to contact the local supplier in Oz (Carbatec, hopefully as helpful as Axminster) and pick up some more MDF stock to test the triangular impact of the discrepancies noted ...

Cheers
Solly

@Solly1 that's disappointing to hear. The entire concept of the system is based on the geometric perfection of the components, it's starting to sound like Axminster has an issue delivering consistency. I checked my new stick to make sure the holes lined up with each other from end to end but didn't check either centerline hole-to-hole nor that they were in alignment end to end.

I brought my original pair of sticks into my office/workroom in the house to use them as straightedges and when I just checked them that are not both totally straight over their length. I compared them against each other, alternately flipping the over front/back and above/below each other until a pattern established. One appears to be straight and the other bowed about .5mm in the center.

As long as the holes are in line the straightness of the stick itself shouldn't matter, within reason. I guess I'll have to check the new sticks before making a top.

Based on what little I really know about machining I believe it is challenging to get precision in the 1,000's of an " over a meter long stretch. I'd assume the only way to assure that accuracy is to physically inspect each stick prior to shipping. My hunch is there would be a lot of rejected sticks. Caveat being I have zero idea what is an acceptable tolerance nor what Axminster is aiming for.

RMW

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Offline Solly1

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #142 on: April 05, 2019, 06:54 PM »
I checked my new stick to make sure the holes lined up with each other from end to end but didn't check either centerline hole-to-hole nor that they were in alignment end to end.

@Richard/RMW wasn't a test that came to my mind initially after reading this thread either, but seems to be the most pertinent.

Another simple way to check the discrepancy is by drilling 0 and 10, inserting pins, then drilling 2 to 9 - per normal usage - then flipping the ruler front to back and reinserting the pins in 0 and 10 from the underside - it's becomes visually apparent without measurement. Ruler #2 can then be pinned and checked against these same holes also - in my case Rule 1 and Rule 2 hole 7 are close to each other but not straight (attached) - hence my initial thought all was well. I'd suggest everyone perform this check and let us know the results ...

With the ruler flipped or with Ruler #2, one can also try inserting pins in holes 2-9 with 0 and 10 pinned. I found that the micro chamfer on the rule holes actually allows some pins to seat with a good push, but with a thumb on the edge of the rule, you can detect the deflection in the rule as it does so.

Will be the first test I perform if I receive new rules (pending Carbatec, who are checking their stock for good candidates and awaiting direction from Axminster).

I really like the simple yet ingenious system Peter has designed, and can see many uses, so will persist until I can get a workable set to make best use of my virgin 2400 x 1200 Paulk style torsion top MFT!

Cheers
Solly
« Last Edit: April 05, 2019, 07:07 PM by Solly1 »

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #143 on: April 05, 2019, 08:05 PM »
I noticed and posted the alignment problem with these holes when I received my second replacement set - and I thought I was discouraged then.

The set of three replacements that I received recently have all of the problems discussed here, and then Axminster today suggested that the replacement sticks are only for the original PGS - in spite of these sticks having the 6mm holes.

I saw a shipping notice from TSO today - so still hopeful, but looking at other options to make the 3mm pilot holes.

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« Reply #144 on: April 05, 2019, 08:37 PM »
I noticed and posted the alignment problem with these holes when I received my second replacement set - and I thought I was discouraged then.

The set of three replacements that I received recently have all of the problems discussed here, and then Axminster today suggested that the replacement sticks are only for the original PGS - in spite of these sticks having the 6mm holes.

I saw a shipping notice from TSO today - so still hopeful, but looking at other options to make the 3mm pilot holes.

I had seen the discussion regarding hole sizes and hole spacing longitudinally, and alignment between rules, but not much on hole pattern straightness if those previous tests passed, so just wanted to add that into the mix of accuracy checks.

Not sure how Axminster could claim PGS Mark I applicability with 6mm holes ???. Good luck with the new set if that is what TSO shipped!

My thoughts also went towards an alternate method - not sure if I have any metal CNC machinists locally, but might talk to them if I find one, as to the possibility / cost of machining up an accurate pair of rules ... at the moment I'm testing if I can get an acceptable run of holes using only 3 or 4 near straight holes from my "better" ruler ...

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #145 on: April 05, 2019, 08:49 PM »
It’s all good - the discussion and different test ideas. I like the approach you demonstrated because it shows the real result on the bench.

The replacement sticks have both 3mm and 6mm holes, but Axminster made me question the purpose of the 6mm holes.

I have also thought about using the 20mm orange drill guide - I need to look at that again.

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #146 on: April 05, 2019, 11:52 PM »
Friends and customers         
As the “principal stockists” of AXMINSTER’s UJK Technology products in the USA, we have a very personal stake in the continuing refinement and long-term success of the Parf Guide System tool series.

Peter Parfitt’s quest to make possible the construction of highly accurate 20mm worktops on the job site or home workshop is a more technically ambitious undertaking than it first appears. Not surprising, “pushing the close tolerance envelope” like this has not gone without some bumps in the road.

To their credit, but to no one’s surprise, AXMINSTER is stepping up to meet unanticipated production challenges. Some of these challenges are more like peeling the proverbial onion. The new problem does not become apparent until the preceding problem has been addressed.

The first layers of difficulties did not become apparent until a substantial production quantity had reached customers hands. Even then, it has proven quite challenging to make improvements without encountering unintended consequences.

Comments and dialog on the FOG provide helpful information, - including the understandable expressions of disappointment or even frustration. It all adds up to creating a more complete picture of what is going on in the field.  And all of it is followed by TSO and shared with AXMINSTER staff and senior management.

It would be a great help if you, as a customer receiving an unsatisfactory Parf Guide, give TSO the opportunity to evaluate the part right here in the US before any attempt has been made to correct or “fix” the problem. It does not matter from whom you purchased your Parf Guide. To help, we need the “evidence” to root out the underlying cause and we will provide the no-charge replacement from our fresh stock for the few examples which may still turn up.

Hans and Eric

PS: our stock shipment has been received in our warehouse and will be packed for shipment starting Monday April 8, 2019
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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #147 on: April 06, 2019, 07:59 AM »

It would be a great help if you, as a customer receiving an unsatisfactory Parf Guide, give TSO the opportunity to evaluate the part right here in the US before any attempt has been made to correct or “fix” the problem. It does not matter from whom you purchased your Parf Guide. To help, we need the “evidence” to root out the underlying cause and we will provide the no-charge replacement from our fresh stock for the few examples which may still turn up.


@TSO Products Hans/Eric: I may have missed is earlier in the thread but are you requesting that we send you the questionable sticks for an autopsy?

I have a totally unused/unaltered set from the first run where Axminster already sent me the replacements, but I assume the issues with those are well understood by now. If not I'm happy to send them in.

RMW

As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #148 on: April 06, 2019, 08:31 AM »
Richard,
thank you for responding to our data collection call. Yes, we would like to collec the data from your earlier parts. I'll give you a call on your mobile later this morning to make arrangements.

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #149 on: April 08, 2019, 10:40 AM »
Great idea but the execution of the idea needs to be improved. Too many issues with the rulers IMHO. I have my kit waiting for when I get back home from my current project. Will check in about 2 weeks and report back.