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Offline rmhinden

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« on: January 11, 2019, 12:25 AM »
I have a Domino 700 XL that I use with the Seneca Small Mortice kit.   One thing that I have found challenging is making mortices on the face of a board when making boxes or cabinets.   To get the correct alignment, the XL has to be used vertically with the fence (with the seneca plate attached) touching the edge of the board.   The Festool Domino Support Bracket helps, but is hard to hold on to.

After struggling with this for several projects, I decided to see if I could do better.   I made what I call a right angle adapter for the XL.  It attaches in the same way as the support bracket, but is bigger and has a handle to hold it down on the board.  It has an open part in the middle to allow seeing the alignment marks on the XL.

It works very well.    I have done a set of test mortices, and it is now very easy to hold and position the XL vertically.   I get reliable mortices in this configuration.

See the attached pictures.   It's made from 3/4" baltic birch plywood.  I used a heavy draw pull for the handle, and found some M5 x 25mm knobs to secure it to the XL.   Even put some rubber grommets on the screws like Festool uses on the support bracket to hold the screws in place.

I hope this is helpful. 


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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2019, 07:54 AM »
@rmhinden - our compliments: very nicely executed. This is the right concept in our judgment as you can see from the pictures of TSO's new Domino BigFoot DBF-45 in BETA field testing phase now prior to production release.
Drop us a note with your email and shipping address if you'd like to participate in the BETA testing of the XL version of the our BigFoot.

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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2019, 10:28 AM »
@rmhinden - our compliments: very nicely executed. This is the right concept in our judgment as you can see from the pictures of TSO's new Domino BigFoot DBF-45 in BETA field testing phase now prior to production release.
Drop us a note with your email and shipping address if you'd like to participate in the BETA testing of the XL version of the our BigFoot.

Hans
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Hans,

Thanks very much.  I sent an email to info@tsoproducts.com.

Bob


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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 12:09 PM »
@rmhinden - our compliments: very nicely executed. This is the right concept in our judgment as you can see from the pictures of TSO's new Domino BigFoot DBF-45 in BETA field testing phase now prior to production release.
Drop us a note with your email and shipping address if you'd like to participate in the BETA testing of the XL version of the our BigFoot.

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That's nice Hans...when do you anticipate releasing this item for sale?

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 12:25 PM »
@Cheese  - we should probably put  new products like this up on our website to give interested individuals the opportunity to sign up for automatic notification regarding availability.
Actually we are in the third generation of this DBF-45 DOMINO BigFoot design. Based on experience with preceding versions we have added some capability not reflected in any of the images of our product or @rmhinden 's neat shop built version.

In this specific instance I would estimate 90 days days for BETA testing completion and production start up, It always takes longer than we wish. But we have not yest found a way to convert "wishing" into "results" [wink]

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2019, 06:14 PM »
@Hans Okay, that is something I would be VERY interested in Hans. I'm about to embark on my kitchen cabinet build (picked up the plywood yesterday) and I'm anticipating a lot of domino cuts that would benefit from this.

Are you planning on a version for the DF500?
« Last Edit: January 11, 2019, 07:57 PM by Gwerner »

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 08:04 PM »
@Hans Okay, that is something I would be VERY interested in Hans. I'm about to embark on my kitchen cabinet build (picked up the plywood yesterday) and I'm anticipating a lot of domino cuts that would benefit from this.

Are you planning on a version for the DF500?

How about you make it universal to fit both?
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 09:34 PM »
@rmhinden Very nice jig.

Q: From your first picture what hold the two knobs in place?
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 10:19 PM »
@Hans Okay, that is something I would be VERY interested in Hans. I'm about to embark on my kitchen cabinet build (picked up the plywood yesterday) and I'm anticipating a lot of domino cuts that would benefit from this.

Are you planning on a version for the DF500?
@Gwerner  - I was not clear enough: we now have a DF-500 version in the final stages. If your project is literally in your shop already, maybe you would like to try one of our full blown BETA test samples that is very similar to the final production version but could send it to you now.
if you're interested, email me your FOG name along with your full contact information and I'll get it on the way to you. The final (I hope) production version BETA samples are due back from anodizing next week and will still need to be finished and kitted - would take longer.

let me know
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 10:21 PM »
@rmhinden Very nice jig.

Q: From your first picture what hold the two knobs in place?

Thanks!

It's hard to see in the second picture, I made the screw hole a little wider, maybe 1/4" deep, and put a smaller rubber grommet on the screw thread, and pushed it into the recess.   I basically copied what Festool does on the Domino support bracket.   

Here is a better picture.


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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 10:23 PM »
@Hans Okay, that is something I would be VERY interested in Hans. I'm about to embark on my kitchen cabinet build (picked up the plywood yesterday) and I'm anticipating a lot of domino cuts that would benefit from this.

Are you planning on a version for the DF500?
@Gwerner  - I was not clear enough: we now have a DF-500 version in the final stages. If your project is literally in your shop already, maybe you would like to try one of our full blown BETA test samples that is very similar to the final production version but could send it to you now.
if you're interested, email me your FOG name along with your full contact information and I'll get it on the way to you. The final (I hope) production version BETA samples are due back from anodizing next week and will still need to be finished and kitted - would take longer.

let me know
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@Hans I would be very happy to try the beta version, thank you! I've e-mailed you my contact info. Please keep in mind that I am a hobbyist and not a professional cabinet builder so my feedback will be coming from that point of view. If that's not the kind of feedback needed I fully understand.

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2019, 10:24 PM »
@Hans Okay, that is something I would be VERY interested in Hans. I'm about to embark on my kitchen cabinet build (picked up the plywood yesterday) and I'm anticipating a lot of domino cuts that would benefit from this.

Are you planning on a version for the DF500?

How about you make it universal to fit both?
@Harry - excellent point. That is certainly something we'll take a close look at for all the good reasons - THANK YOU for not assuming that we woould naturally try that. Sometimes you're so close to the trees, the forest is not seen  [embarassed]

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2019, 10:29 PM »
@Gwerner  - for BETA testers we look to have both Pro and DIY participants - they both represent our customer base. You qualify!

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2019, 10:30 PM »
@Gwerner  - for BETA testers we look to have both Pro and DIY participants - they both represent our customer base. You qualify!

Hans

Fantastic!!! I e-mailed you my full contact info, looking forward to this!

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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2019, 08:16 AM »
@rmhinden Very nice jig.

Q: From your first picture what hold the two knobs in place?

Thanks!

It's hard to see in the second picture, I made the screw hole a little wider, maybe 1/4" deep, and put a smaller rubber grommet on the screw thread, and pushed it into the recess.   I basically copied what Festool does on the Domino support bracket.   

Here is a better picture.

Fantastic, simple & effective... thank you!
Mario

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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2019, 09:03 AM »
@Cheese  - we should probably put  new products like this up on our website to give interested individuals the opportunity to sign up for automatic notification regarding availability.
Actually we are in the third generation of this DBF-45 DOMINO BigFoot design.

I'd certainly encourage that Hans.  [big grin]  I'm a fairly regular member of the FOG and I visit your website every 3-4 weeks to see what's new and this is the first time I've heard about BigFoot...let alone the 3rd generation of the beast.  [eek]

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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2019, 11:51 PM »
@Bob,

This is a great solution for a problem I have had myself. I will surely make one of these the next time my XL comes out of its home.


@Hans,

Having used both a 500 and 700 for this operation I feel like the big foot would provide a bigger benefit to users of the 700. Personally, I think a generic model would be great but I’d bet almost everyone  who buys the Seneca adapters for the 700 would order one of these from you at the same time.

Best,

Reed
« Last Edit: January 13, 2019, 07:33 AM by Reed Hoyer »

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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2019, 09:45 AM »
@Reed Hoyer - we are working on a BigFoot(TM) to fit both the DF-500 AND the XL. We'll have a progress report in about a week in the TSO INSIDER.
we appreciate all the posts on this thread. Helps guide our development focus in regard to features as well as the general level of interest.

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2019, 10:57 AM »
@TSO_Products  - Looking forward to using BigFoot.  Thanks for making it compatible with both the DF-500 AND the XL. Keeps us updated.

Chris

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2019, 12:37 PM »
@TSO_Products  - Looking forward to using BigFoot.  Thanks for making it compatible with both the DF-500 AND the XL. Keeps us updated.

Chris

I concur, having an accessory fitting both DF is a huge benefit. Not only monetary but for shop space.... I hate having several jigs that does the same thing  [wink]
Mario

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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2019, 12:51 PM »
@TSO_Products  - Looking forward to using BigFoot.  Thanks for making it compatible with both the DF-500 AND the XL. Keeps us updated.

Chris

I concur, having an accessory fitting both DF is a huge benefit. Not only monetary but for shop space.... I hate having several jigs that does the same thing  [wink]

@Mario  -  exactly: that's why TSO is so focused on SYSTEM DESIGN.
Our Clamping Angles work with the MTR-18 Triangle in setting up case work. The hole pattern in the Triangle matches that of the GRS-16 and the Clamping Angle then becomes a reference edge extension for cutting bull nosed stock and similar situations. Now that same hole pattern is designed to receive our new TPG-30 Parallel Guide next month. And we have another item in BETA testing which will fit this same TSO mounting hole pattern.

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2019, 01:20 PM »
@TSO Products

Hi Hans

The parallel guide looks to be a great add on... Unfortunately I have ALL version 1 TSO products (GRS16, GRS16-PE, MTR 18 Set) which appears not to conform to the TSO system.  Any suggestions?  Any way to upgrade/update them? 

Thanks
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2019, 02:16 PM »
@TSO Products

Hi Hans

The parallel guide looks to be a great add on... Unfortunately I have ALL version 1 TSO products (GRS16, GRS16-PE, MTR 18 Set) which appears not to conform to the TSO system.  Any suggestions?  Any way to upgrade/update them? 

Thanks
Chris

@Thank you Chris for your waerlier purchases and we are working on a trade-in / upgrade program that both sides can live with. email me your ideas that would work for you.
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2019, 05:04 PM »
@Gwerner  - for BETA testers we look to have both Pro and DIY participants - they both represent our customer base. You qualify!

Hans

@TSO Products Hans, just wanted to check to see if you received the e-mail I sent you last week? Thanks!

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2019, 08:59 AM »
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm not clear on what problem this solves on the DF500.  Will someone please enlighten me?

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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2019, 10:32 AM »
@Kodi
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm not clear on what problem this solves on the DF500.  Will someone please enlighten me?

To me It only add stability to bore holes in specific situation. Personally I find the DF500 light enough to not have problem holding it firmly in place. With the DF700 it's another story, being more heavy it can be tricky to bore a series 30+ holes where fatigue come into account.
Mario

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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2019, 11:53 AM »
@Kodi
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm not clear on what problem this solves on the DF500.  Will someone please enlighten me?

To me It only add stability to bore holes in specific situation. Personally I find the DF500 light enough to not have problem holding it firmly in place. With the DF700 it's another story, being more heavy it can be tricky to bore a series 30+ holes where fatigue come into account.

Having started this thread, as it said in the Subject, I built this for my 700 XL.   I can't speak for the DF500.   

I find it very helpful on the 700XL to make mortices on the face of boards near the edge.   I found a new use for it recently, I wanted to make mortices on the edge of small pieces of wood, they were too small to clamp to the table, but I was able to clamp them to the angle adapter and make the mortices without any issue.

Overall, works great for me!

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« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2019, 09:22 PM »
Hans, do you have an estimated release date yet for the DF500 version of the BigFoot?

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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2019, 10:16 AM »
The accessory hole pattern and location are the same on the DF500 and DF700. The TSO DBF-45 accessory will work on either tool.

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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2019, 10:57 PM »
Hans, do you have an estimated release date yet for the DF500 version of the BigFoot?

I hope you received your TSO INSIDER this weekend letting you know we have the first production batch DBF-45 Domino BigFoot is ready and available to buy now:
https://tsoproducts.com/accessories/dbf-45-bigfoot-base-support-bracket-for-festool-domino/

thanks for your patience!
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