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Offline crpaulk

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Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« on: October 13, 2011, 05:10 PM »
It has taken a while, but I have finally competed the plans for the Ultimate Miter Stand featured on YouTube. To find out more check out the video at    


Thank You,
Ron Paulk
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Offline Kevin Stricker

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2011, 12:00 AM »
Looks great Ron, I look forward to building it!

Offline crpaulk

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 12:46 AM »
Nate sent me a photo of the (2) UWBs he built. I did not realize that the UWB also has a built in dog shelf. Nice work Nate:)

Note: Nate made his benches in two sizes!

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Offline Navy8er

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 08:11 PM »
I did make 2 different versions..... a 3' x 6' version and a 4' x 7' version, the latter with an MDO Plywood work surface.  I built the smaller one first with my best interpretation of the pictures I had seen of it, and built the second one using the plans.  I will probably add the table saw support system to the larger one down the road.  The scaled down versions work better for me.  Many thanks to Ron for all the design time and his willingness to share these.  Can't wait to get going on my UMS.  My helper dog did take quite a liking to the shaded "dog bed" underneath.....so much for tool storage.

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Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 08:32 PM »
So I have to bring 4 people to help drag that contraption out?

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 08:36 PM »
So I have to bring 4 people to help drag that contraption out?


Warner,
You are making me feel strong. I am a 51 year old carpenter and do it by myself in under 4 minutes with no strain at all. I guess my daily workout is really paying off:)

Ron

Offline j123j

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2011, 08:40 PM »
So I have to bring 4 people to help drag that contraption out?

Suggest you hit the gym or I just dont get you.  :P

Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 08:44 PM »
I don't get the need to drag all that around with you.

I am plenty strong, I just don't feel the need to have to lug something around like that.

Offline j123j

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 08:52 PM »
Agreed the ultimate miter stand isnt as ultra portable like the UG-cart thinggy but when you're doing a job that takes more than a few days it really isnt an issue. Sure if you're going to cut a few pieces of trim the UG-stand is way more convenient.

As for the workbench, when you need a big surface area to work on Ron's design&concept really works atleast in my oppinion.
Would you really bring 3 MFTs to a worksite and connect them together rather than having one solid bench?

Offline Dan Clark

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2011, 08:53 PM »
Nate,

Nice interpretation of Ron's UWB.    I've been thinking of something like the UWB and like what I see here. Lots of working space, easy setup and breakdown, and reasonable weight.   I just ordered the plans and have a few questions:

- Why do you like the smaller one better?  

- Why MDO Plywood?

- What's the weight of the smaller?  

- It might be perspective, but it looks like the side openings on yours are a bit smaller than Ron's plans.  If true, why did you go with that?

- If you were to do yours over, what would you change?

- Regarding the holes in the top...   Did you go with 3/4" holes (I think that's what Ron specified) or 20mm holes like in an MFT?   What did you use to cut the holes?   Router?   Do you feel the holes are accurate enough to use bench dogs (like Qwas Dogs) as to align a work piece and guide rail?  

Thanks,

Dan.

p.s., I'll have to keep my Poodles away from my UWB.  They'll start pushing and shoving for the best resting spot and scatter tools everywhere!  [smile]

Offline Navy8er

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 09:34 PM »
Dan,
I scaled down both benches I made mostly for transport reasons.  Getting an 8' bench into my basement wasn't going to be fun with the stairs I have either.  I also like the fact that when I am ripping down 8' sheet goods, I have room at the ends of the 7' table for the guide rail clamps to hang down if I need to use them. 

Re. the MDO Ply... I chose that because of availability and because I wanted as smooth a top as possible.  It is obviously more costly, but worth it to me. 

I don't know the weight of either unit, but the smaller one is very light.  My wife carried this unit out of our basement and set it up on her own as an extra table for a party we had and commented on how light it was.  I also made the stands for the smaller unit out of 1/2'' ply rather than the spec'd 3/4'' ply.  For the smaller table I think it is adequate, but for the larger table, I would go with the spec'd 3/4'' for the stands and bottom shelf.  Setting it up is quite easy if you simply put your arms through the box beam and hold it out in front of you horizontally... I haven't tipped over yet :-)

The side openings on my tables are smaller... 4'' I think, rather than the 5'' specified.  I assumed the 4'' on the first I made and wanted the second table to match.  I haven't found it limiting what or how I put things inside the table, but I do think 5'' is a better dimension.... that is one thing I would change on version 3.0 for me.  Also, I used a compass to layout all my round cutouts and then cut a template with the jigsaw.  I don't have a 5'' hole saw... I think I would spend the money and get a 5'' bit if I were to do it over.

I did use 3/4'' holes in the top, drilled with a forstner bit.  The holes were located from measurements taken on each side, and then I just put a + where each x and y axis intersected.  I didn't want to simply use long lines or chalk lines and their associated intersections because of the marks left on the top.  This is quite accurate, but a plunge router on a guide rail would be more accurate, and with an accurate layout, could be used for guide rail placement with dogs.  I wanted the holes for clamping only.  The 3/4'' holes are quite tight for the Festool Clamping Elements, so I would recommend using a 20mm bit when you drill/route the holes.... just gives you more clamping options.  I think that is it as far as lessons learned/do overs.  Oh yeah.... 1/16'' roundover bit is perfect for easing all edges!

The leaf blower in the picture was for cleaning the dog off before he was allowed back in the house.  You'd think the noise of a router would deter him from "helping" but he insists on being right there!  Good luck with the bench!

Nate          

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2011, 10:09 PM »
Nate,

Many thanks for the great, detailed feedback.   I liked the UWB  the first time I saw it, but wondered if there were some gotchas.   Your feedback makes me more comfortable about moving ahead and making the right construction choices.   For example, I don't have a 5" hole saw and was going to use a compass and jigsaw like you did.  Now, I'm going get a hole saw for the slots and a 20mm bit for the top.   

Thanks again,

Dan.

p.s. I'll be using the leaf blower on my Poodles too!   (They are nosy little buggers.)   [smile]

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready - I forgot to ask...
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2011, 10:24 PM »
Nate,

You mentioned that you downsized the big one too...  What are the dimensions of the bigger UWB?

Thanks,

Dan.

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2011, 10:28 PM »
I posted this elsewhere, but this is a video of Kreg and how he put his UMS together.






Offline Navy8er

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2011, 10:41 AM »
Dan,
The dimensions of my larger bench are 4' x 7'.  All other dimensions essentially the same.

Nate

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2011, 11:05 AM »
Dan,
The dimensions of my larger bench are 4' x 7'.  All other dimensions essentially the same.

Nate

I am considering making my next UWB 4x7. The loss of 1' would not interfere with the big job of breaking down plywood. Plywood and assembly were the two main considerations when I designed the UWB. I knew from years of using a 2'6"x6'8" door blank as my bench, it was too small. Mantles, wainscoting and other large project really benefit from the larger surface. I only plan on caring and using one size so bigger is better. If I carried more than one bench, I would consider making it narrower and shorter. I am working on a portable bench design for my 13" Dewalt planer much like the Miter Stand. I am thinking about making it dual purpose so it can be flipped over when the planer is not mounted. The upside-down planer stand could function as a narrower and shorter work bench.

Ron

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2011, 12:30 PM »
Nate and Ron,

Thanks again for the feedback. I'm going with 7'. A couple benefits are easier storage and lighter weight. I plan on storing the tops and lower shelf vertically so 7' (6' bottom) would mean easier storage. It should shave about 6 lbs from each top and maybe 6-8 lbs from the bottom shelf. (My back is likin' this.)

Regards,

Dan.

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2011, 12:44 PM »
Hi Navy8er (Nate),

Welcome to the FOG !  [smile]

Nice work on the stand. New York State, eh?

Is that username for Navy Aviator?

Seth

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2011, 11:18 AM »
Ron/Nate/Kreg, I'm in the process of building both benches, but I have a few questions for you.

What would you change if you were using this setup 90% of the time in the shop?  I'm thinking of making the top 3'x6.5' and use a 2'x5' table on caster as the base (instead of the saw horses). 
Is the top flat enough for your needs?
Do you see issues with using butt joints with dominoes instead of the rabbets?  I can see the all around rabbets being stronger.

Regards,

JGA.

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2011, 12:29 PM »
JGA,

I am convinced that 4x8 is the perfect size for shop and portability. I worked with 3'0x6'8" door blanks as work surfaces for many, many years and found them just too smalls to support the projects I did. It is this issue that drove me to designing a multipart top. I wanted a 4x8 bench, but knew I could not haul it around. If they are not mobile, then maybe you could put each 2x8 side on it's own roll around base and push them together when you need a larger surface. If you make the saw horses, you could take the tops off the roll around bases for portability. I think you could have a very functional work bench doing these things.

I think butt joints would work fine. Kreg used pocket screws.

Ron

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2011, 08:29 PM »
JGA,
Regarding the size, if it is going to be in the shop 90% of the time, I would say go the full 4x8 size.  The size of the table you mention using as your base seems as though it may be a bit small for stability unless you are going to somehow mechanically fasten the tops and base (I still think you would be cantilevered quite a bit to make it a sturdy bench though).  Also, the first bench I made I did without using any rabbets or dados.  The butt joints are fine as long as you glue them it just takes a bit longer ensuring spacing and allignment, and can be a little messy.  I don't see any reason to use dominos on this bench.  Flatness should never be a concern with this design.... You just need to ensure a good sturdy base.  Just my $.02. 

Nate 

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2011, 09:57 PM »
Ron/Nate/Kreg, I'm in the process of building both benches, but I have a few questions for you.

What would you change if you were using this setup 90% of the time in the shop?  I'm thinking of making the top 3'x6.5' and use a 2'x5' table on caster as the base (instead of the saw horses). 
Is the top flat enough for your needs?
Do you see issues with using butt joints with dominoes instead of the rabbets?  I can see the all around rabbets being stronger.

Regards,

JGA.

I used butt points and dominos - has been sturdy; no issues.
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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2011, 08:53 AM »
What is your main use for the table 95% of the time?  What will the other 5% be ?

The 5%. Is what you need to make it sized for.

My 3 x 7. Size is perfect. I made to fit my van better I do not hAve a house on wheels like Ron has!!!

I love the size I make built ins. My last one had uppers cases that were 30" wide by 83. Tall they fit fine and was able to assemble on the work top

Casters are fine just buy heavy duty ones with all locking  casters

But make base wider so no tip factor

When you take it to job then you need saw horses and shelf.

Any way you will love. Kreg screws worked great.
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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2012, 09:54 PM »
Ron,  I have almost finished my ultimate miter stand and I thought I would share some pictures.  I made a few modifications and tried to use up some of my partial sheets of plywood that are always cluttering up the shop from past projects.  I used piano hinges for the folding saw horses and added a t-track/bolt so I could tighten the dovetails down.  I also put edge pieces on my extensions and I'm working on making that a place to stash guide rails.  All that's left is to drill a few more holes in the extensions.  Thanks for sharing your design/plan. 

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2012, 07:34 PM »
So on the plans it mentions using satin ply. I have never heard of such a material. I imagine I will just end up using whatever is lying around but would still like to know what it is. Is it similar to baltic birch?

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Attaching top surface
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2012, 05:06 PM »
In the plans, the use of staples is suggested.  While I can understand stapling the sides and bottoms to the inner ribs, how is everyone attaching the tops to the inner ribs?  While staples would certainly work, my concern is that they might damage the saw blade when the top is used as a cutting surface.  How has everyone done this?

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Re: Ultimate Miter Stand Plans are ready
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2012, 01:42 AM »
By using "Sacrificial strips" - round 4:55 into the presentation on yutube http://youtube.com/watch?v=sJoGTf6KL8s
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