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Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« on: May 25, 2019, 09:44 AM »
Hi,
 I just read a long Parf Guide thread in this forum subsection so assume this is the section to start a thread with questions about the Parf Guide.
 
 I do not have a Festool drill with the quick release chuck, and it sure looks like that would be convenient, but I do have two Dewalt cordless drills, both with integrated chucks, and a Dewalt cordless impact driver with a hex slot that can accept one of the newfangled chuck attachments.

 I am not especially fond of the impact driver and have never used it as a "drill". I bought it for a special project where we were assembling beams in a crawlspace and needed the compact power. I have enjoyed the drills for a long while, they operate smoothly and have lots of torque, but it seems like they will feel bulky and inhibit moving the guide system around in a gentle manner.

 While I wait in anticipation for the opportunity to order a Parf Guide system, I wonder if someone can relay some real world experience about the suitability of various drill choices with regards to the Parf Guide system.

 What would you advise?

 Thank you!

 

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Offline jobsworth

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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2019, 11:11 AM »
Not sure if they have one for your impact, but Makita makes a attachment for their impact that fits in their bit holder, its a jacobs chuck that has the ability to compensate for the impact movement.

Looks something like this

https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/191881-4

Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2019, 11:41 AM »
Thank you for the information.

That is what I referred to as a newfangled chuck attachments :-),

I do not understand how it might be able to overcome the impacting action.

Thank you.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2019, 01:15 PM by Woody Knotsensplintahs »

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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2019, 12:07 PM »
my suggestion: whatever you chose to use - try it on a piece of scrap until you have the technique  and results where you want them.
Impacts seem like an inapprorpriate choice for the Parf Guide. You will soon appreciate the advantages of a real "Drill" with a CentroTec Chuck like the FESTOOL CXS

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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2019, 12:31 PM »
Not sure if they have one for your impact, but Makita makes a attachment for their impact that fits in their bit holder, its a jacobs chuck that has the ability to compensate for the impact movement.

Looks something like this

https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/191881-4

It's an attachment meant for their hybrid drill/driver/impact driver/hammerdrill; the attachment itself doesn't stop the impact movement, but it allows the use of non hex drillbits in that machine.




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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2019, 12:57 PM »
I just recently finished a making a 3' wide 5' long cutting station with my parf guide system. I used a Makita impact driver to drill the holes because it was easier to remove the bit from the quick-release hex than to either leave a drill attached or chuck/un-chuck the bit from the drill each hole. It worked flawlessly. The holes were clean and vertical. The bit didn't show any signs of wear in the area where I attached it to the impact driver. And the accuracy of the table was superb. The five cut method was within 0.00011 radians.

Others may have different experience or preference with the impact drivers. I typically don't like it for uses other than driving larger wood screws for framing-type applications. But I figured I would give it a shot since the MDF sheet was less expensive than getting a new drill :). Also Bosch makes a nice 12V drill with several chuck attachments that appear to work similarly to Festool.

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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2019, 01:21 PM »
Are you looking at the original Parf Guide kit or the Mark 2?




Hopefully @Peter Parfitt will offer some guidance. I'll bet he's tested his system with drills other than Festool.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2019, 01:24 PM by Bob D. »
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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2019, 01:23 PM »
Hi,
 I was just looking at close up pictures of the new 20mm Forstner Bit and see that it has a hex shank, so I suppose I can outfit my drill with a simple and common hex head adapter and just slip the drill on on off the bit at each location.

 I am sure the Festool drill is a fine tool, but I already have two fine drills. I have never before wished to have a removable chuck, so I can't imagine that I will yearn for that feature on any other occasion than drilling a multi function table. How often will I have a Forstner bit trapped in a jig? Not very often.
 
« Last Edit: May 25, 2019, 01:29 PM by Woody Knotsensplintahs »

Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2019, 01:28 PM »
Are you looking at the original Parf Guide kit or the Mark 2?

Hopefully @Peter Parfitt will offer some guidance. I'll bet he's tested his system with drills other than Festool.

Hi,
 I am interested in the MkII system.

Thank you.

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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2019, 01:45 PM »
I believe the hex shank 20mm bit comes with either kit now. When I bought mine they were just transitioning over from the round shank bit to the hex shank, that was over a year ago.
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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2019, 01:55 PM »
I suppose I can outfit my drill with a simple and common hex head adapter and just slip the drill on on off the bit at each location.
That's too simple. This is Festool forum where solution to even a trivial problem must cost at least $500.

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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2019, 06:47 PM »
@Woody Knotsensplintahs

The one I had absorbed the impact when I pushed on the jacobs chuck it felt like it allowed for some movement.

The one I linked to may not be the correct one. I just linked something that would give you a idea of what I was talking about.

My suggestion is to call Makita and have a chat with them about it. I gave mine to a buddy. Im going to see him some time in July. Ill see if he still has it. If he does i can get a part number off it.

Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2019, 07:50 PM »
Thanks.

I'll keep an eye out for more info about that sort of chuck.

I think the hex shank on the 20mm boring bit will be easy to use with one of my drills so I am no longer worried about modifying the impact driver.

Thank you.



Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2019, 09:02 AM »
...Here"s what I did... Hope this help .

Thank you for this suggestion. That is an interesting option.

Thank you

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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2019, 01:18 PM »
I use a quick change adapter in my compact 18V makita drill like this, Lock-n-Load Quick Change Extension but in a shorter version.
https://www.irwin.com/tools/drill-bits/lock-n-load-quick-change-extensions



Offline Alanbach

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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2019, 01:20 AM »
@macrutt  - Thank you for your solution on this thread. A little while back I bought a Centrotec bit set from a friend even though I don’t own a FT drill yet. It had a Centrotec Chuck in it but I had no way to use it, until now. After seeing your post I ordered the adapter and received it today. Now I don’t feel silly for owning a bit set I can’t use. Thank you very much!

Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2019, 08:37 AM »
I use a quick change adapter...

Hi,

 Thank you for the suggestion. This is what I plan to start with.

 Now I am waiting for a notification email that a mkII system has become available. :-)


Offline Jruks

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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2019, 11:51 PM »
I used a cordless dewalt drill with no fancy attachments or quick change chucks. Wasn’t fun but it worked just fine. Just throwing that in just in case you end up just going with the drill and no other attachments.

Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2019, 09:34 AM »
Thank you for the information. My drills are likely to be the same model as yours.

Thank you.

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Re: Will my drill work well with Parf Guide system?
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2019, 09:45 AM »
I'm a bit late on the topic. Here my take for the posterity.


From front to back; (Original Parf Drill Bit)

1) Festool CXS with centrotech chuck, Ultra light. Strong enough to bore 20mm holes. I did 50 holes on small board (MDF 18mm) for my CNC with a single batteries and it still going. Drilling was easy and stable

2) (Your brand) Cordless drill with hex adapter, Works fine but a lot of wobbling. Wobbling is not a big thing since the bit is stuck in the parf unit.

3) (Your brand) impact driver is a no go. You better using a conventional power drill.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2019, 09:53 AM by Mario Turcot »
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