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Offline Randy Daniel

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American made Tuffer Tenon for use with Festool Domino
« on: August 24, 2007, 03:46 PM »
My name is Randy and I represent Cincinnati Dowel & Wood Products.  We are an American manufacturer that has been located in the greater Cincinnati area since 1925.  Our company manufactures our Tuffer Tenon which compliments the Festool Domino.  We currently offer the Tuffer Tenon in oak, maple, cherry, walnut and mahogany. 

We have several large retail customers that want to roll out our Tuffer Tenon and our desire is to have more feedback on our product before a national rollout.  In comparison to Festool tolerances preliminary tests have shown that our product is more consistent in size than the Domino.  We have also had multiple comments from Domino users about the inconsistency in the sizing of the Domino. 

The Tuffer Tenon is available for purchase in job quantities.  Samples in small quantities are also available.

We believe that we can provide an American made product that is equal if not superior in quality as well as service the customers that are located here in the U.S.

Please contact me with any questions or for further information.

Randy Daniel
Cincinnati Dowel & Wood Products
(937) 444-2502
randy@cincinnatidowel.com
www.cincinnatidowel.com
« Last Edit: August 24, 2007, 03:53 PM by Randy Daniel »

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Re: American made Tuffer Tenon for use with Festool Domino
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2007, 05:40 PM »
Welcome Randy
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Re: American made Tuffer Tenon for use with Festool Domino
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2007, 11:46 PM »
do they come in a systainer :)
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Offline Terry Fogarty

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Re: American made Tuffer Tenon for use with Festool Domino
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2007, 07:22 AM »
Not that i can get any of your tenons because im at the other side of the world, but what makes yours better than the Festool ones?

Wood is wood and it moves. Ill bet my balls the Festool ones are machined to exact tolerances just like yours and the ones i make for myself.

So why are yours better ???

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Re: American made Tuffer Tenon for use with Festool Domino
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2007, 05:04 PM »
I'm there Tez. I think people that have complained 'about the inconsistancy of the Domino' would complain about the inconsistancy of any other substitute, homebrew or manufactured, because they will all swell or contract.

Another question might be, "are these so much cheaper that I shouldn't bother making them myself?"
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Re: American made Tuffer Tenon for use with Festool Domino
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2007, 06:56 PM »
Hi Eli, Tez, et al,

Eli, the flexibility offered by Randy shouldn't be ignored. If a manufacturer is able to provide variations on a theme, then great. Not so a price issue as question of sizing, allowing wider tenons in different timbers at suitable volumes/pack.
It will never be possible to make tenons cheaper than you can yourself, unless the volume made by the manufacturer is so huge that timber becomes a non issue. I see the opportunity here as the ability to provide a Festool ancillary. That is, a range of dominoes in a variety of timbers, in a larger size set. The convenience of buying rather than making would appeal to a large number of users. It would also sit well with those using the ubiquitous "Rocker jig" (can't believe I said that :o) or any other hole boring system.
While Cincinnati Dowel and Wood Products may make just that, it may well be in their interests to create  cutters that will allow deeper and/or narrower mortises as well. (Good luck on that one!) I think everyone would jump at that.

So long as price was competitive, I see this as a positive.

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Re: American made Tuffer Tenon for use with Festool Domino
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2007, 09:19 PM »
In comparison to Festool tolerances preliminary tests have shown that our product is more consistent in size than the Domino.  We have also had multiple comments from Domino users about the inconsistency in the sizing of the Domino. 

I really only had issue with this part of the statement. Of note is that the only people who give a crap enough to comment can't buy these anyway.
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Re: American made Tuffer Tenon for use with Festool Domino
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2007, 10:17 PM »
Actually Randy,
It might be worth defining "preliminary testing". They are either consistent or they are not, so I assume we're talking about variation of dimensions. Are they made of timber or are they more like biscuits, compressed woody material?
It could also be worth quantifying "multiple complaints' , 2..10..100..1000 and possibly even your statistical population by demographic, spending capacity and type of usage.

Rob

Offline Eiji Fuller

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Re: American made Tuffer Tenon for use with Festool Domino
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2007, 12:27 AM »
IMO

The festool dominos are way to tight in the narrow setting. In a M&T joint the tenon should be able to slip in and out of the the mortise. The tenons should not have to be pounded in and wrenched out with a claw hammer. A slip fit allows room for enough glue to form a good bond. On the dominos there are stamped depressions to allow room for glue. I would rather have the glue be able to bond across the whole width of the tenon.

I will definately be giving Randy a call soon.

Eiji Fuller

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Re: American made Tuffer Tenon for use with Festool Domino
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2007, 01:24 AM »
I agree -- I've actually had to resort to drilling out domino's that I used in dry-fitting.  I now use a set of domino's that I've sanded to slip in/out the mortises for dry fitting.  Not sure if I'm going to do this with the ones I use for actually gluing up or not.

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