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Offline Bob D.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2019, 05:19 PM »
Love the idea of the internal divider, I do have concerns over cost though. Looks like the varios tend to be pretty expensive - I'd be perfectly fine with something like the universal one. I would not pay more than $100 for a Sys-I with an insert, even if it is a more flexible insert.

I would also like a price before committing, but I am interested in a Sys1. LV has some dividers that are reasonable in price, but I have not looked to see if any fit this particular application. I think they may have too many small compartments.
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Offline M.A.D. Renovations

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2019, 06:36 PM »
I would be interested as well in the red sys1 with the white latch.  Keep us posted.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2019, 09:49 PM »
Thank you for the continued feedback and vote of support, I do appreciate it as I take a bold step and add this custom item to the Systainer.Store. 

It looks like I'm narrowing in on the following:
8xxxxxxxx :: systainer T-Loc I (carmine red body, white T-LOC and Handle)   
81200323 :: Vario 2 insert with 6 dividers   
81200230 :: systainer lid insert EPP (Expanded Polypropylene) 5mm   
Sticker decal, yet to be design & specified and priced

I hear your comments about price.  Looking at list price on the above, and having not priced the sticker sheets yet, the total comes out to $97.5.  So, yes, it is under the $100 mark without medical supplies.  It will be a while before I need to finalize on price.  Systainer.Store has a free shipping on $100 order or more, so perhaps I could list right at $100 and include the free shipping.  Or maybe I set up some sort of preorder scheme where if I can get enough commitments on preorders I'll give everyone some discount.  Hmmm - it is dangerous to be thinking out loud here as there is more I need to cost out.

Offline M.A.D. Renovations

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2019, 01:59 AM »
That sounds great.... count me in for 1.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2019, 06:49 PM »
The order from Germany is confirmed.  Alexandra from Tanos USA worked her magic and delivered some renders that we can look at till the product arrives in June.  While we wait, I'll get working on some sticker designs and bounce them off you guys.  Also, in another day or two I'll cook up a "expression of interest" survey so you can sign up.  I'll likely send out preorder invites to reserve stock once we get closer.  I don't want anyone committing or buy until I get closer and know what the sticker design is.

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Offline bigshaw929

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2019, 08:07 PM »
Nice. I’ll be in for one


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Offline reidbailey

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« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2019, 08:25 PM »
Looks great! Can’t wait to see it with the stickers you’re working on.


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Offline M.A.D. Renovations

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #67 on: May 09, 2019, 12:02 AM »
Looks great!

Offline Bob D.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #68 on: May 09, 2019, 06:37 AM »
Ditto all the above comments.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #69 on: May 09, 2019, 11:41 AM »
I really wish the mini was available in red... [sad] [sad]

Offline six-point socket II

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #70 on: May 09, 2019, 11:59 AM »
Hey @Cheese ,

If you don't mind the branding/advertising, I can get you one (or more) of these:

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Let me know. :)

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Oliver
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #71 on: May 09, 2019, 12:46 PM »
Me too, I wish I had the MINI in all red. If we did a large enough preorder (100s), we may be able to convince Tanos.
I did order red latches for the MINI, so I can put those on the grey systainer to test as a small First Aid envelop. 

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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #72 on: May 09, 2019, 01:16 PM »
Me too, I wish I had the MINI in all red. If we did a large enough preorder (100s), we may be able to convince Tanos.
I did order red latches for the MINI, so I can put those on the grey systainer to test as a small First Aid envelop. 

Well thanks to Oliver 🙏 , we know Tanos is already producing them for Endel & Dietze so acquiring the colored resin/pellets isn't an issue. I wonder if you could piggy-back off of their next order. So for the next production run, Tanos would just mold some extra red minis and ship them to your address.

That way there's no up-charge for changing the resin color and probably not a minimum quantity.

It's very similar to what happens in powder coating. There's no up-charge to shoot a particular color if they are already shooting it for a particular customer/order.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2019, 01:28 PM by Cheese »

Offline Bob D.

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« Reply #73 on: May 09, 2019, 01:37 PM »
Good idea Cheese, just need them to set a bunch aside so they're not silkscreened with the logo.
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« Reply #74 on: May 09, 2019, 01:41 PM »
If Tim can order colored Mini's starting at 100 pieces, that's also much better than the current 400 pieces minimum order for colored Minis on the German Tanos site.



I have also seen all red Minis without branding before, but couldn't locate any available stock.

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Oliver
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #75 on: May 09, 2019, 02:47 PM »
This is fair thinking about the MINIs.

In looking at other colored Systianers, it was made very clear to me the we can't get Systainers with a color that is produced for another brand.  That makes sense, I don't wan't a "trademark" color.  If it is a generic color, yes, but not a specific colors.  For instance, Fein has a specific orange and that is different than that Tanos Orange.  Tanos Orange is easily orderable, Fein orange is only orderable by Fein and in the 1000s.  If we want a custom color, it would be in the 1000s.

I'm not sure about this specific brand mini, I'll have to research more and ask.  I'm thinking multiple 100s, hoping for less than 1000.  Just 100 I don't think is enough.  But again, we can build a "case" for this.  Tanos USA was willing to go to bat for us on the SYS-I set up and I'd love to order more of those to show demand and being a good partner with the systainer community. 

Let me make progress on SYS-I labels/stickers and then circle back to the minis. 

Offline daddyscott2001

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2019, 09:02 AM »
I would be interested as well please.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2019, 11:43 AM »
In looking at other colored Systianers, it was made very clear to me the we can't get Systainers with a color that is produced for another brand.  If it is a generic color, yes, but not a specific colors.

FWIW...the standard color red that Tanos molds Systainer items in is Carmine Red, RAL 3002.

Offline hdv

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #78 on: May 11, 2019, 09:22 AM »
ISO has defined a white "plus" on a green background as the official first aid symbol. See also ISO 7010 Reference E003. It might be different in the US, but in most countries I have visited (quite a few) this symbol was indeed used in preference over the red and white combination. I have not found a formal colour designation, but this is what I use: Pantone PMS 356C. Close approximations are CMYK 100,0,91,27 or RGB 0,186,17 or HEX 00BA11. Most often, but not always, I see this green symbol on an orange background. This colour was probably chosen to be in conformance with both the OSHA and ANSI guidelines a.o. These organisations have not assigned formal colour codes to their recommended colours, as far as I know.

In case anyone is interested I have attached a template you can use to print stickers that fit a mini systainer.

Offline Cheese

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« Reply #79 on: May 11, 2019, 10:43 AM »
In case anyone is interested I have attached a template you can use to print stickers that fit a mini systainer.

Just curious where you purchased the red Mini?

Offline hdv

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« Reply #80 on: May 11, 2019, 01:49 PM »
It is a bright orange mini-systainer. I cheated a bit. If you were to look underneath the sticker on the lid you would see a BTI logo.    [big grin]

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2019, 04:41 PM »
Nice work on your MINI!  That looks easy and noticeable. 

As an engineer, I struggled with following the standard of green/white or red/white.  What I decided is the sticker/decals I produce will have a couple varieties.  This way you can outfit your red systainer with what labeling you would like.  Boy, this will wreak havoc on those that are color blind with red/green! 


Offline hdv

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« Reply #82 on: May 12, 2019, 04:58 PM »
Another thing to keep in mind is the dispute over the use of the red/white/plus combination. This wikipedia page is an interesting read on the topic. In short: both the international Red Cross organisation and Johnson & Johnson claim it is theirs to use. And you thought only the color blind would be confused...?  [blink]

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #83 on: May 12, 2019, 05:35 PM »
I'm planning on just white crosses. 

Offline Dick Mahany

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« Reply #84 on: May 12, 2019, 07:06 PM »
All of this discussion prompted me to go have a look inside my trusty OLD first aid kit.  Glad I did because many of the items were really shot after over 15 years of sitting mostly unused (fortunately). 

I started thinking about trying to replace the appropriate items and put them into a mini systainer, but when I looked at what else I would like to add to the kit, they wouldn't fit the mini.  So I'm thinking a Sys 1 first aid kit would be a great solution.



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« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2019, 10:56 PM »
All of this discussion prompted me to go have a look inside my trusty OLD first aid kit.  Glad I did because many of the items were really shot after over 15 years of sitting mostly unused (fortunately). 

And that's the conundrum Dick. If you let vegetables just sit in a bowl on the counter and if they're not consumed, they all spoil eventually.

I have a WOW mini and I'm sure some of the contents are toast at this point.

While I'm really glad I didn't have to use the contents, it does become an annoyance as those perceived to be frequently used spoiled items do need to be replenished on a continual basis.
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« Reply #86 on: May 13, 2019, 06:10 AM »
All of this discussion prompted me to go have a look inside my trusty OLD first aid kit.  Glad I did because many of the items were really shot after over 15 years of sitting mostly unused (fortunately).

All of the DIN first aid kits here have expiration dates on the box, usually five to ten years after purchase depending on how long they have been sitting on the shelf.  First aid kits are mandatory for vehicles and are inspection items during the vehicle safety inspection.  An out of date first aid kit will cause a vehicle to fail its safety inspection.

Fortunately, only those sterilized items that come into direct contact with the wound have to be changed, and the other items, such as tape, gauze, and external bandages, don't have expiration dates.  Unfortunately, I haven't found any supplemental date stickers to attach to the first aid kit to identify the new expiration date, so the path of least resistance is to replace the kit in its entirety.

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« Reply #87 on: May 13, 2019, 06:14 AM »
The vehicle inspection thing is a European requirement?  Or Germany specific?  Private vehicles or business vehicles?  I'm curious, as there isn't such a thing in Michigan.  In some US states I know there is a vehicle emissions check. 

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« Reply #88 on: May 13, 2019, 07:30 AM »
The vehicle inspection thing is a European requirement?  Or Germany specific?  Private vehicles or business vehicles?  I'm curious, as there isn't such a thing in Michigan.  In some US states I know there is a vehicle emissions check.
I dont' know if it is a European requirement, but it is certainly a requirement in Germany for all vehicles except motorcycles.  The vehicle safety inspection list includes a valid first aid kit, warning triangle for roadside emergencies, and safety vests for all occupants of the vehicle (although two vests seems to be the accepted limit).

When taking a vehicle in for the biennial inspection, the first aid kit, warning triangle, and vests must be placed on the passenger seat so the inspector can see them and verify the date on the first aid kit.

Germany is also brutal on the emissions inspections.  Large cities, such as Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Wiesbaden, Munich, and Berlin, created a restricted area around the city, called the "Umweltzone" (environmental zone), that prohibits all vehicles that do not meet at least the Euro 4 standard.  Vehicles that meet this standard have a green decal in the lower right corner of the windshield, and the owner of any vehicle driving or parking in the Umweltzone that doesn't have the Euro 4 decal will receive a fine of at least €105 (about $120).  Unfortunately for the vehicle owner, these fines are cumulative and passing through multiple inspection points in a single trip result in multiple fines.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #89 on: May 13, 2019, 09:31 AM »
Thank you for the details @MikeGE I appreciate learning a bit more about your part of the world. 

For all those interested in the first aid systainer we've been talking about, I put together a Google Form where you can note your interest.  This isn't a preorder, but I would like to get a clear indication of interest.  Once we get closer to receiving the stock, we will use this list to contact for preorders.  In addition, the survey has some questions to understand what kind of labels you would want to put on the unit.  Ideally I design a "variety sheet" of labels and you can customize it to your hearts content.  Though if I need to limit the labels to limit the cost, I'd like to understand preferences. 

Go ahead and fill out the form here:  https://forms.gle/SzB9rGEFMcDTdjEx6

Thank you - Sys Tim