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Offline sprior

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2019, 03:54 PM »
I've wanted a first aid kit for my shop for quite a while, but when I look at the first aid kit options on Amazon they generally have lots of stuff which don't seem applicable to a basement workshop.  I don't need drugs like aspirin, don't need bear repellent, Mylar blankets, or other outdoor stuff and if you included a bone saw I'd probably make finger joints with it.  But splinter care, various bandages, maybe some burn stuff, eye care, and look what I cut off with my table/band/chop saw stuff would be very useful.
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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2019, 04:12 PM »
But splinter care, various bandages, maybe some burn stuff, eye care, and look what I cut off with my table/band/chop saw stuff would be very useful.

I seem to have soft delicate skin on my hands that just attracts splinters.  I practically get a splinter just by looking at a piece of wood.  I've personally found the best thing to remove splinters is a lancet (like diabetics use to prick their fingers to test their blood) and a good pair of tweezers.  I like the lancets since they have a very sharp point, they're sterile, and I just pop the cap back on and throw it away when I'm done.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2019, 07:29 PM »
I like these examples.  This is helpful.

If we used a SYS-I, I was thinking there would be enough room for PPE items as well.  Gloves, safety glasses, ear plugs, etc.  In which care it is more than first aid, more of a care kit.
I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2019, 08:21 PM »
I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

Good point...very good point.

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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2019, 08:37 PM »
I second that idea - the first aid kit is NOT stuff you use for any other purpose besides a medical issue/emergency.  These are not every day supplies and frankly ones which you'd rather be a total waste and never use.  The only non-urgent time you go in there is to replace expired stuff.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2019, 08:54 PM »
I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

Good point...very good point.

Second that, well stated.

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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2019, 09:16 PM »
These are not every day supplies and frankly ones which you'd rather be a total waste and never use.

Amen...🙏🙏🙏   I’d happily jettison all these items every few years if I never had to use them. It’s just another form of insurance.

In the 4-5 years I’ve owned the WOW mini, I’ve used 1 bandage and some ointment. It was still money well spent but it does give you a window into the practicality of including a bone saw and a de-fib.

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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2019, 09:50 PM »
Bear repellent seems reasonable to me!

Bone saw? no thanks, thats why sawzaws are for, key is to use diablo blades, the red paint rubbing off will blend right in with these cuts.

I think folks bring up good point about spoilage (I put a medical student in a kit once, kid spoiled on me in like 2 days  [mad]). Also keeping things focused on wood shops, so focus on cuts (some very bad), splinters, eye washes, chemical burns and such would make more sense. Also trying to make the kit as usable as can be with one hand is important, since the person in need is likely to be the one accessing the kit, so one hand stuff would be a good plan.

If it never gets used, all the better.  Look at it as owning one is jinxing your chance at having an accident.

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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2019, 10:57 PM »
Bear repellent seems reasonable to me!

Bone saw? no thanks, thats why sawzaws are for, key is to use diablo blades, the red paint rubbing off will blend right in with these cuts.

I think folks bring up good point about spoilage (I put a medical student in a kit once, kid spoiled on me in like 2 days  [mad]). Also keeping things focused on wood shops, so focus on cuts (some very bad), splinters, eye washes, chemical burns and such would make more sense. Also trying to make the kit as usable as can be with one hand is important, since the person in need is likely to be the one accessing the kit, so one hand stuff would be a good plan.

If it never gets used, all the better.  Look at it as owning one is jinxing your chance at having an accident.
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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2019, 04:30 AM »
That might be a good move as it puts your eyes in the box much more often than if it was FA stuff alone (hopefully at least). If there were nothing but FA items inside you wouldn't have much cause to eyeball it's contents.

Doing so on a regular basis might remind you to check the expiration dates on certain items and you'll have a visual snapshot of your inventory which may prompt you to reorder something you've used up or stock is low.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2019, 07:19 PM »
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I will buy 5 or 6 of them when you have them ready.
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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2019, 10:28 PM »
I will buy 5 or 6 of them when you have them ready.

Now that’s an eager beaver...[poke].

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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2019, 10:56 PM »
I will buy 5 or 6 of them when you have them ready.

Now that’s an eager beaver...[poke].

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2019, 09:11 AM »
OK guys - sorry to stir things up and then go quiet.  I had a bit of travel, family and the administrative stuff I needed to focus on.  Now I'm getting back to this topic.

I've got a chance to bring over a pallet of product from Germany.  If we can decide on box size, the color scheme, I could get some units to prototype or sell. 

I want to do some photo mockups, if I get a chance tonight I'll do that and post here.

The choices I see:
Box size ::  SYS-I is mini-sys I
Color :: red, green, whole box, just lid/bottom, or t-loc
symbol/text :: screen print or tough stickers

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2019, 12:51 PM »
I'm looking at the pictures posted in this forum and online of first aid kits.  Let's narrow this down.

Can we vote on what is most popular?

Standard grey systainer with red latch (and maybe handle).
Completely red systainer - body, latch and handle.
Red systainer with white latch and handle.

I'm thinking a decal/sticker sheet then can go with this. 

What color scheme do you like best?

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« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2019, 01:54 PM »
I'm looking at the pictures posted in this forum and online of first aid kits.  Let's narrow this down.

Can we vote on what is most popular?

Standard grey systainer with red latch (and maybe handle).
Completely red systainer - body, latch and handle.
Red systainer with white latch and handle.

I'm thinking a decal/sticker sheet then can go with this. 

What color scheme do you like best?

I can't decide. Any would be good for me.

I like the white with red T-latch and handle.

But the red with white handle and latch works too. It would be more visible that's for sure.

Are you thinking of offering two sizes, a Sys-1 and a Mini ? I could see a Mini in each of the trucks and a Sys-1 in the shop.

Will these be empty Systainers only, or fully stocked?
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« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2019, 06:14 PM »
It's too bad Tanos doesn't make a first aid kit like the Sortimo L-Boxx 102 G4 Erste Hilfe.  At €87 (about $100), it's not inexpensive, but it stands out and complies with DIN 13157.

When I was actively traveling with my Bosch equipment in the L-Boxx stacks, I had one of these first aid kits.  Fortunately, I only had to use it twice for minor cuts that were easily fixed with a Band-aid.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2019, 07:01 PM »

Are you thinking of offering two sizes, a Sys-1 and a Mini ? I could see a Mini in each of the trucks and a Sys-1 in the shop.

Will these be empty Systainers only, or fully stocked?

I'm going to quote both sizes and am considering getting both and seeing how sales go.
Right now I'm thinking the units will not be stocked with supplies, just the systainer.  I'll take this step by step.

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« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2019, 10:29 PM »
I was fortunate to get one of WOW's first aid Systainers about 5 years back.  it is fantastic.

Attached is the contents PDF that Wayne provided.  Might give others ideas on what they might want to include.

I've found several of these replacement items for mine from Amazon...


Looks like you can buy the full contents of a DIN 13157 kit contents from them - here

And here are the contents of a DIN 13157 standard kit...
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1 adhesive tape 2.5cmx500cm (DIN 13019 - A5x2.5)
8 adhesive plasters 10cmx6cm (DIN 13019 - E10x6)
4 finger tip plasters4 wound dressing 18cmx2cm (DIN 13019 - E18x2)
4 adhesive plasters 19mmx72mm
8 adhesive plasters 25mmx72mm
1 ambulance dressing 6cmx8cm STERILE (DIN 13151-K)
3 ambulance dressings 8cmx10cm STERILE (DIN 13151-M)
1 ambulance dressing 10cmx12cm STERILE (DIN 13151-G)
1 surgical sheets 60cm x 80cm STERILE (DIN 13152-A)
2 gauze bandages 8cm x 4m (DIN 61631-MB-8CV/CO)
2 gauze bandages 6cm x 4m (DIN 61631-MB-6CV/CO)
3 compresses 10cm x 10cm packed per 2 pcs STERILE
1 rescue covers 210cm x 160 cm
2 eye pads STERILE5 fleece cloths non-woven
2 triangular bandages (DIN 13168-D)
1 pair of scissors (DIN 58279 - A145)
4 gloves in polybag (DIN EN 455-1 & DIN EN 455-2)
2 instant cold packs2 PE-bags 30cm x 40cm
1 first aid instructions
1 list of contents


Good luck with the project.

Neil

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2019, 08:49 AM »
OK - more info.  Unfortunately the MINIs can't come in the red color.  Bummer.  I was hoping for a matching set.  Well - we could get a custom color, but MOQ are beyond the scope I'd like to do right now. 

SYS-I Options:
Completely red systainer - body, latch and handle. (easy to source)
Red systainer with white latch and handle. (a bit more costly and risk, I'll need to swap latches/handles)
standard grey systainer with red latch and handle. (trying to match Mini)

MINI-Sys I Options:
Standard grey systainer with red latch
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Thanks for the links to standard contents, that is helpful to those full outfitting their kits.

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« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2019, 09:32 AM »
I like the idea of the red systainer with white latch and handle. If it could be packaged with at least an insert for supplies, that would be fantastic. Maybe even a decal like the Sortimo one linked above.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2019, 09:45 AM »
If I was looking for a first aid kit in the midst of an emergency I would notice red.  Fire extinguisher, panic button, first aid kit,....

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« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2019, 03:41 PM »
I would go with the all red as Peter mentioned, fill with the contents WOW did in his, since he was an EMT.  I would the have either a cross or the words first aid in white stickers made. 
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« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2019, 04:05 PM »
If I was looking for a first aid kit in the midst of an emergency I would notice red.  Fire extinguisher, panic button, first aid kit,....

Peter

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« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2019, 04:42 PM »
Red systainer with white latch and handle. (a bit more costly and risk, I'll need to swap latches/handles)

Can you order a Systainer w/o the standard latch and handle then buy the white ones?
Or is that what you were planning to do. If that's possible you won't end up with a bunch
of red latches and handles.

Maybe offer both, but order them as all one color and swap out the latches and handles once you have them.
Then you could offer both a red with white handle and latch and a white with red handle and latch.

All for the same low, low price  [big grin]
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« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2019, 11:31 PM »
Yeah, my vote is red systainer, white latch. Add me to the list to buy another. 
 I have the old one, the only thing I added was a couple of quick clot patches. Happily replaced a whole lot of expired bits over the last few years.

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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2019, 12:25 PM »
An update - trying to move fast so I can get this load of systainers in a container leaving from Germany yet this week for arrival in June.  Tanos USA team was able to work with me on a special order that I'm happy to be able to offer through Systainer.Store.  Thank you Tanos!  I'm ordering many units, though since I haven't quantified demand hopefully I didn't under order for this first batch.

A kit from our store will be composed of:
* SYS-I, red body, with white T-LOC and white handle
* Lid foam, to keep contents in place
* A divider of some sort, see below.
* Sticker/labels to be customer applied - yet to be designed and specified, want to be sure they are good quality and strong adhesive.
* No medical supplies will be included at this time.  As a community I recommend we pick the best package from Amazon and I'll happily link it to the product page. 

For a divider, I'm thinking Vario2.  There is Vario3, which is three rows.  I've attached the image of Vario2, which comes with 6 dividers. 

For those requesting a MINI SYS-I.  I really love this idea too.  I'll look at getting a few red latches to sell as parts in my store and to experiment with.  I can possible do a full "kit" once we get the above SYS-I kit set up.

So - let me know your thoughts on internal divider.  Vario2, Vario3, other?








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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2019, 01:07 PM »
I would definitely be interested in a red sys1 w/white lock etc - keep us updated!
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« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2019, 01:48 PM »
I’d be interested in a Mini for the garage to complement the WOW Mini in the shop.  [smile]

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« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2019, 04:15 PM »
Love the idea of the internal divider, I do have concerns over cost though. Looks like the varios tend to be pretty expensive - I'd be perfectly fine with something like the universal one. I would not pay more than $100 for a Sys-I with an insert, even if it is a more flexible insert.