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« Reply #90 on: January 26, 2019, 11:10 PM »
It would be quite nice if instead of multiple track lengths if the tracks were broken down to sections and then bolted together like the Woodpecker parallel guide. Very easy to get the right length for any job and much easier for shipping internationally.

This is why you want a single rail.

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« Reply #91 on: January 27, 2019, 03:40 AM »
Hans, thanks for clarifying your design decisions.

I have the Precision dogs parallel guide and so have a couple of different track lengths. Most of the time the 48" track lengths aren't used so kick around the workshop and don't pack away easily. Also with only a single set of rail connectors there is a time investment in swapping over to the longer tracks. 

I noted that a TPG-56 is been proposed with a longer 56"guide. I'm not sure what would be involved in swapping over to the 56" guide for those odd jobs.  My thought was that an additional 20" length would convert a TPG-36 to TPG-56 and still pack away/ship easily.  I'm sure the problems with the Woodpecker style connector could be overcome with some proper engineering that make the rails positively clip together securely, or having a TSO style level connector between the two rails would pull them together tightly and stop the gap appearing like Tom posted with the Woodpecker (or even machined threaded holes in the rails and connectors rather than relying on the pressure of the grub screws). I would find even longer lengths useful when using the GRS-16PE for repeatable cross-cutting doors and cabinet parts to specific lengths.
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« Reply #92 on: January 27, 2019, 07:44 AM »
I think it's inevitable that a 48 or 50 inch length gets dedicated to my mft with the grs pe permanently mounted to the mft hinge and guide rail. Flip out of the way, removable fence for unquestionable square and accurate repeat cross cuts.
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« Reply #93 on: January 27, 2019, 10:17 AM »
Hans, thanks for clarifying your design decisions.

I have the Precision dogs parallel guide and so have a couple of different track lengths. Most of the time the 48" track lengths aren't used so kick around the workshop and don't pack away easily. Also with only a single set of rail connectors there is a time investment in swapping over to the longer tracks. 

I noted that a TPG-56 is been proposed with a longer 56"guide. I'm not sure what would be involved in swapping over to the 56" guide for those odd jobs.  My thought was that an additional 20" length would convert a TPG-36 to TPG-56 and still pack away/ship easily.  I'm sure the problems with the Woodpecker style connector could be overcome with some proper engineering that make the rails positively clip together securely, or having a TSO style level connector between the two rails would pull them together tightly and stop the gap appearing like Tom posted with the Woodpecker (or even machined threaded holes in the rails and connectors rather than relying on the pressure of the grub screws). I would find even longer lengths useful when using the GRS-16PE for repeatable cross-cutting doors and cabinet parts to specific lengths.

To swap between rail lengths, remove two lobbed bolts, set 56" rail in place, install two lobbed bolts, transfer stop to 56" rail-----done. Took longer to type this than swap rails.

Tom

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« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2019, 03:33 PM »
Any word as to when pre-orders open?

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« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2019, 09:53 PM »
@dr.r.lam - and others:
We hear you!
- look for an announcement January 31 on this FOG thread of a INTRODUCTORY PRICING OFFER for Early Adopters to ship mid-February ahead of the full production launch in March.

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« Reply #96 on: January 31, 2019, 01:13 AM »
Just looked at the TSO website and the TPG-30R has been added.
The difference is that the TPG-30 includes 1x 20inch T-track and 1x Narrow Stock Rod.

What is the advantage of  20 inch track - so it can stay in the systainer and always connected to the narrow stock Rod for convenience and always calibrated?

Could I just buy the 30 inch T-track and use it for narrow stock? (Ill be buying TPG-30 regardless)

Any chance of beta users showing a video and hands on experience?

Excellent product that I just can't wait to use

Well done TSO!

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« Reply #97 on: January 31, 2019, 01:43 AM »
Just looked at the TSO website and the TPG-30R has been added.
The difference is that the TPG-30 includes 1x 20inch T-track and 1x Narrow Stock Rod.



I think the TPG-30 (regardless of L or R versions) comes with the 30" track.
The 20" track and Narrow Stock rods are optional extras.
If you pre-order the TPG-30, it comes with discount coupons for the 20" track and narrow stock rods I think (which you can purchase when they are released later).


I think the optional extras of additional track and flip-stops allow people to have several sets with pre-set dimensions (rather than adjusting all the time).

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« Reply #98 on: January 31, 2019, 02:00 AM »
TPG-30 is $129 included 20 inch with Narrow stock Rod
TPG-30R (and I suspect TPG-30L) is $109

Maybe the TPG-30 product shouldnt be there?

Youre right though, thats what I was thinking, but if you compare the 2 products the diference is whats stated but then 

The Narrow stock rod must be bought with the 20inch T-track?

Makes sensehaving 2 tracks for normal and offset cuts

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« Reply #99 on: January 31, 2019, 02:18 AM »
I'm amazed that there parallel guides aren't a lot more expensive. Awesome!!! I can't wait to place my order.

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« Reply #100 on: January 31, 2019, 02:20 AM »
I am eagerly awaiting the post from Hans and Eric to tell me how I can give them my hard earned money.

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« Reply #101 on: January 31, 2019, 04:59 AM »
Hans,

Can you clarify what length the final production model lengths will be?

I presume they will be with your international resellers later in the year?

I need a L version for use with the MFT attached GRS-16PE behind the stock?  An R version if using the square infront of the stock?

When you swap rails is any calibration needed or is this a one-time setup done on the stops rather than with the rails?



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« Reply #102 on: January 31, 2019, 08:41 AM »
I'm amazed that there parallel guides aren't a lot more expensive. Awesome!!! I can't wait to place my order.

I bought a GRS-16 PE rail square from TSO at the end of last year and really like it. Haven't used it yet for long rips yet. I'm excited about this new offering too but as far as cost remember to add the cost of the square and if it ends up an additional guide/square is required at the far end of the work piece this solution becomes more expensive than others. Not bashing the product - I most likely will purchase one.

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« Reply #103 on: January 31, 2019, 08:57 AM »
I have a couple of videos that were used to communicate various ideas with TSO. I'll see if we can't get some others done for general consumption.

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« Reply #104 on: January 31, 2019, 09:04 AM »
I was asked elsewhere how the system references, someone thought there was a spacer necessary. A couple of pictures of the GRS/TPG without a rail on the GRS.

Tom

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« Reply #105 on: January 31, 2019, 09:22 AM »
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Hans/Eric - after seeing so many posts by Tom on this I want a BLUE one!

Will the production version have a steel rule like Tom's?

Thanks,
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« Reply #106 on: January 31, 2019, 10:00 AM »
@Mike Goetzke - the production TPG will have the scales laser engraved - you can see detail in one of the thumbnails on our website:

https://tsoproducts.com/tso-products-guide-rail-squares/tpg-30-r-parallel-guide/

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« Reply #107 on: January 31, 2019, 11:24 AM »
Do you ship internationally? Any idea of cost to The Netherlands? I know GereedschapPro BV stocks your products but I'd rather enjoy the early adopter price. Or will that be available from them as well?

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« Reply #108 on: January 31, 2019, 01:40 PM »
@Mike Goetzke - the production TPG will have the scales laser engraved - you can see detail in one of the thumbnails on our website:

https://tsoproducts.com/tso-products-guide-rail-squares/tpg-30-r-parallel-guide/

Hans

@Hans , this picture shows dual metric/imperial scales but the imperial only goes down to 1/16”. Tom’s prototype only has imperial but down to 1/32”. I’d rather have imperial only if that’s the only way to get the finer increment. 1/32” is .008” finer than 1mm. When we have to work in imperial it makes a difference.

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« Reply #109 on: January 31, 2019, 02:15 PM »
any news about the GRC-12 ?

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« Reply #110 on: January 31, 2019, 07:51 PM »
Responding to all:
we have listed the configuration contents of all the TPG elements on the TSO website.
https://tsoproducts.com/tpg-parallel-guide-system/

We just discovered that our eCommerce platform has a glitch that will not let us display Regular Price and Sale Price.  [sad]
So prices now shown are INTRODUCTORY SALE PRICES only and subject to change without notice. As soon as we can resolve the website issue we will address the pricing display limitation and add the missing product pictures next week [smile]

@jasen
•   20 inch Track advantage: ease of handling when making narrower cuts for shelf uprights and shelves and Upper Cabinets, for example. Also fits into SYSTAINER with FlipStop attached at set location for re-use tomorrow. Nothing to do with Narrow Stock Rod.
•   30 inch Track can be used for Narrow Stock which requires use of both LEFT and RIGHT Hand Tracks since there is not enough material width to reference squareness with GRS.

@dr.r.lam    you are correct: offering the choice of purchasing extra Track and FlipStops is intended to provide flexibility to match your TPG to your current project needs – including having several pieces dedicated to particular settings since it is so easy and quick to change out Track assemblies with FlipStop set.

@Pnw painter with an eye to provide value we have chosen to offer parts of the system to reduce the outlay required to get more productive with particular jobs. Buy ‘em as your job requires😊

@dr.r.lam you will be able to place your EARLY ADOPTER order online as soon as we have product ready to ship mid February. If you have signed up, you’ll automatically be notified.

@simonh let’s refer to the TPG tracks in terms of the cut length they enable: nominal 20, 30 and 50 inch respectively. Actually the FlipStop can be moved beyond that length a bit but we avoid odd numbers in product naming. There is always a longer dimension available if needed. @simonh – you can order the 50 inch T-track LEFT Hand so you can use your MFT/3 for cross and cut-to-length operation in step.
Calibration relates to the Guide Rail and saw blade being used. Really a once in  along time adjustment. What we hear is that most woodworkers don’t re-calibrate unless the splinter guard is replaced or similar change occurs. Assuming that your parallel guide itself stay adjusted! It seems smart to have all your Guide Rails producing the same cut width – standardize.

@Sanderxpander - Yes, this product will be available through our International Dealers  when in full production except the EARLY ADOPTER available quantity is so limited as to restrict it to TSO online orders only.

@Mike Goetzke – about tool cost: remember the TPG can do a LOT more and do it a LOT more efficiently and reliably accurate. If a woodworker uses FESTOOL or MAKITA track saws he really should invest in at least one GRS-16 first. That is so basic it should not figure into the Parallel Guide cost.
@tjbnwi – a live video clip of the TPG in use in your shop would be a great benefit if you can someone else to hold the camera-phone while you set up and cut!

@Michael Kellough –  no plans to engrave 1/32” increments. Our customer input tells us the critical part is repeatability of the cut rather than a specific dimension.

@lerabotperche – GRC-12 is on a different thread on the FOG – more  there in March.

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« Reply #111 on: January 31, 2019, 08:45 PM »
For those who want 1/32, it's easy to do, the pointer is 1/16", split the 16ths marks.

Tom

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« Reply #112 on: January 31, 2019, 09:19 PM »
For those who want 1/32, it's easy to do, the pointer is 1/16", split the 16ths marks.

Tom

What I want to do is split 32nds.

Has a picture of the pointer been posted?

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« Reply #113 on: January 31, 2019, 09:26 PM »
For those who want 1/32, it's easy to do, the pointer is 1/16", split the 16ths marks.

Tom

What I want to do is split 32nds.

Has a picture of the pointer been posted?

@Michael Kellough

You can, with or without the marks. I bet just looking at a measurement on a tape you can distinguish the 32nds and less.

These are the pictures I have.

Tom


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« Reply #114 on: January 31, 2019, 09:44 PM »
Thanks for the very helpful pics Tom!

Maybe I can add a kind of vernier curser but I’ll still be jealous of your 1/32 rule.

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« Reply #115 on: January 31, 2019, 09:46 PM »
Thanks for the very helpful pics Tom!

Maybe I can add a kind of vernier curser but I’ll still be jealous of your 1/32 rule.

I think you'll find you will be very happy with TSO curser.

Tom

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« Reply #116 on: January 31, 2019, 10:12 PM »
What I want to do is split 32nds.

Has a picture of the pointer been posted?

I’m with you - maybe an after-market ruler from this website can be used to replace what you would get from TSO . . .

https://oregonrule.com/

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« Reply #117 on: February 01, 2019, 12:16 AM »
You will be able to place your EARLY ADOPTER order online as soon as we have product ready to ship mid February.


Amazing! Can't wait.

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« Reply #118 on: February 01, 2019, 08:05 AM »
Is there any update to the email list issues?  I've tried a couple of times and emailed in to support ( received the basic system reply ) but haven't gotten any emails ( checked Junk ).

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« Reply #119 on: February 01, 2019, 12:19 PM »
Is there any update to the email list issues?

I think they're still having issues with their mailing list provider.