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Offline Rick Christopherson

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Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« on: September 18, 2011, 02:14 PM »
I am now taking orders for the new model Self Centering Guide (SCG-10) for the Festool Domino® Joiner. Orders can be placed at this link: Tenon Joiner Guide Stops. The original Multi-position Guide Stop (MGS-20 & MGS-30) is geared toward having multiple stop positions for repeated work. The Self Centering Guide is geared toward being able to quickly reset to a new set of stop positions.

I am still working on the descriptive content of the website, but the ordering pages are complete. (For dealers, the dealer ordering page is also complete. Send me an email if you need access.)




So far there has been a lot of interest in this model guide. If you missed it, some of the earlier discussions can be read at the FOG Here.

The operation is pretty simple. As with the MGS guides, the SCG-10 mounts directly to your Domino machine using the pre-existing mounting holes in the base. To ensure the guide is always centered on your Domino, a pair of centering plates capture the sides of your Domino. (The centering plates control the position, and the thumbscrews hold it in place.)

To set the stop positions, loosen the two black thumbscrews, slide the stops to the desired position, and then re-tighten the thumbscrews. The two stops are cable-slaved together to remain centered about the Domino mortising location. When you move one stop, the other stop moves in the opposite direction to always stay centered.

The baseplate is black powder coated for durability. All of the aluminum components are precisely machined from billet aluminum, and anodized (green) for a hardened, wear-resistant surface and for a beautiful appearance. The slaving cable is steel wirerope (cable) with an outer protective coating for durability.

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2011, 02:42 PM »
Great stuff Rick!  Wishing you the best success!

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2011, 04:09 PM »
Looks good!  My order is in!

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2011, 12:05 PM »
Doesn't this do the same thing as the trim stop attachment that comes with the Domino? I haven't needed to use it yet so not quite sure.



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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2011, 12:43 PM »
Doesn't this do the same thing as the trim stop attachment that comes with the Domino? I haven't needed to use it yet so not quite sure.



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yes and no. this self centers for speed. its how festool should have done it

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2011, 12:46 PM »
The trim stop is also only intended to be used for the end grain of a board. You would have to remove one side with each plunge, and that kind of defeats the purpose.

The SCG and MGS guides have flip-up dog arms so they can stay in position but out of the way when not used (like for plunging the mating mortise) and flip down when needed. If you want a comparison for them, it is closer to suggest these are like having movable pins/paddles on the front of the Domino fence.
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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2011, 12:48 PM »
Doesn't this do the same thing as the trim stop attachment that comes with the Domino? I haven't needed to use it yet so not quite sure.



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yes and no. this self centers for speed. its how festool should have done it


And also the SCG sets stops up to the edges of the fence; the trim stop attaches to the outside of the fence and sets stops starting from around 10mm from the outside.

Trim stop is more for laying out a long row of mortises for, say, a panel glue-up with equal spacing.  The SCG is more for doing the mortises for rail/stile joinery.
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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2011, 12:54 PM »

Trim stop is more for laying out a long row of mortises for, say, a panel glue-up with equal spacing.  The SCG is more for doing the mortises for rail/stile joinery.


Paul-Marcel, I believe you are thinking of the cross stop (airplane wings). The trim stop slides over the Domino fence, and holds the end of a piece of wood toward the machine.

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2011, 01:08 PM »

Trim stop is more for laying out a long row of mortises for, say, a panel glue-up with equal spacing.  The SCG is more for doing the mortises for rail/stile joinery.


Paul-Marcel, I believe you are thinking of the cross stop (airplane wings). The trim stop slides over the Domino fence, and holds the end of a piece of wood toward the machine.

D'oh! Brain fail... you're right... had I read your end-grain comment before hitting post, I might have remembered.  Need. More. Coffee.
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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 01:39 PM »
Thanks Rick! My order is in and I look forward to checking it out. My MGS-20 works great too.  Tom

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2011, 01:47 PM »
Thanks Rick! My order is in and I look forward to checking it out. My MGS-20 works great too.  Tom

Thanks Tom. The best complement and feedback I can get is when a past customer orders again.

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2011, 08:51 PM »
Wow, that was quick. It arrived in the mail today and looks great!

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2011, 09:06 PM »
Mine just arrived.  Great design, Rick.  Will try it out this weekend.

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2011, 11:43 AM »
I received mine as well.

Well designed, nicely executed. Good job, Rick.

I have to admit that I didn't understand at first that the SCG-10 is not meant to replace the MGS-20, but to compliment it. After realizing this, I ordered the set.

Rick's two guides, along with Ron's plate, will make using my Domino a whole lot easier.

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2011, 02:15 PM »
The mailman brought my new SCG-10 guide stop today -- VERY NICELY DONE INDEED!
I haven't used it yet but it is going to be very fast & handy for face frames, etc. I think I'll make up a simple set of gage blocks in standard lengths (1", 1-1/4", 1-1/2", etc) to quickly set the stop spacing i.e. a 2" gage block will set the stop for 1" spacing off CL. That was about the only drawback of the old MGS being a little slow setting those stop positions -- this new one is dead simple & super fast.
Great job Rick!

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2011, 05:00 PM »
Rick:  Placed my order today, really looking forward to using it on my next cabinet job rail and stiles..

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2011, 05:34 PM »
Rick:  Placed my order today, really looking forward to using it on my next cabinet job rail and stiles..

Sal

Thanks for the reminder, Sal. It has been a very busy day and I just returned from the post office dropping off a rather large stack of guides, including yours. I got distracted with some other exciting business today, and almost forgot to notify you that your guide had shipped out.

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2011, 06:59 PM »
My order is in.

BTW Are you going to finish your "MFK 700 Trim Router" additional manual sometime?   ??? I may have a spair roundtoit hidden somewhere if you need one. :)
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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2011, 07:15 PM »
My order is in.

BTW Are you going to finish your "MFK 700 Trim Router" additional manual sometime?   ??? I may have a spair roundtoit hidden somewhere if you need one. :)

Hi Jerome. I normally never comment on who has ordered a guide unless they publicly mention it. Since you have, I wanted to point out that I have shipped to virtually every country in the world, but you are the very first person from Japan. So now you've rounded out the world.  [thumbs up]

Yes, I need to get the MFK700 manual done. I have no excuse. I was holding it until I got more "Application" information, but I should at least release what I have. It's 90% there. By the way, what is a "roundoit"?
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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2011, 07:41 PM »
My order is in.

BTW Are you going to finish your "MFK 700 Trim Router" additional manual sometime?   ??? I may have a spair roundtoit hidden somewhere if you need one. :)

Hi Jerome. I normally never comment on who has ordered a guide unless they publicly mention it. Since you have, I wanted to point out that I have shipped to virtually every country in the world, but you are the very first person from Japan. So now you've rounded out the world.  [thumbs up]

Yes, I need to get the MFK700 manual done. I have no excuse. I was holding it until I got more "Application" information, but I should at least release what I have. It's 90% there. By the way, what is a "roundoit"?
Sorry my miss spelling it should be a round tuit they are now available on line at http://www.quantumenterprises.co.uk/roundtuit/ :) i often find that don't have one ;)

If you release what you have on the MFK700 I would appreciate it. and of course it isn't too difficult to make additions later.

With my order you can check off Japan for shipping and Thailand for usage, as that is where my Domino is :(
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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2012, 08:51 PM »
Hi-

Does the Self Centering Guide Stop work with Domino XL too?

Kind thoughts-

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2012, 09:35 PM »
Yes, Christopher it does work with all versions of the Domino joiner. I have the Domino XL in my shop, so I can attest to this.

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2019, 01:15 AM »
Forgive me for for raining on the parade of accolades, but after all these years since purchase, I have to say the self centering unit is a beautiful piece of machining but falls short in use; it's really little more than a pretty face. But as zapdafish asks "Doesn't this do the same thing as the trim stop attachment that comes with the Domino?". The advantages are negated by the minimal ⅝" protrusion of the two tabs around the workpiece while the one that comes with the tool, while being less elegant in appearance, does ride along about 3 inches of stock making for far greater accuracy and ease of control. Sadly I give this a One Star rating, regretting I purchased it. 
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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2019, 01:49 AM »
I have not had any experience with the self centering jig, and wonder how other users feel about the one star rating. After 7 years in the market, someone must be able to share if in practice it is indeed far better than the trim stop. I am happy with the trim stop.

I handled the MSG but did not find it a useful jig at all, so I passed when someone offered me his at a very good price. I could not think of a project in which it would meaningfully help my work.
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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2019, 03:01 AM »
I have not had any experience with the self centering jig, and wonder how other users feel about the one star rating. After 7 years in the market, someone must be able to share if in practice it is indeed far better than the trim stop. I am happy with the trim stop.


What one star rating?

I have both the trim stop and the self centring jig. I virtually never use the trim stop as you can't guide from a single side with the Trim stop
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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2019, 09:19 AM »
Did you read the woodwrek's post? He gave the product a one-star rating.

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2019, 04:45 AM »
Did you read the woodwrek's post? He gave the product a one-star rating.
I thought there was some significant number of users rather than a single subjective opinion.

I'm sure that woodwrek can sell his unit on for a significant percentage of his purchase price.

Some people like one system that others don't. Personally I like the fact that the SGC-10 can be used in a similar, but adjustable, way as the pins/paddle stops something that the trim stop can not do.
YMMV
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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2019, 08:47 AM »
Single or not, his user experience sounded legit. So far no other users have commented about his specific protrusion remark, which I was hoping other owners could some shed some light on.

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2019, 02:49 PM »
Single or not, his user experience sounded legit. So far no other users have commented about his specific protrusion remark, which I was hoping other owners could some shed some light on.

No, he was debunked as a troll. The discussion is in another thread.

But what difference does it make? I'm not producing the guides any more.

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Re: Now Taking Orders, Self Centering Guide for Domino
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2019, 12:09 AM »
I wasn't aware of the thread that you mentioned about Woodreck being found to be troll. If he were, does Festool Forum have any policy on trolls.