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Title: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: cfullen on October 12, 2016, 10:22 PM
Hey guys,

More of a call for help here.  I have a CT 36 and have recently purchased a CT mini.  I am on my third garage for the 36 and my new CT mini garage has now cracked in two places.  I have friends with the attic broken into much smaller pieces. 

On my CT 36 I have had success "stitching" the broken pieces together with zip ties.  I had done this in the past with ripped fenders in my 4 wheeler.  It works quite well.  I smeared a good amount of epoxy on top of the joint after stitched with the zip ties and it has worked quite well. The first two garages I lost relatively quickly.  It is a short learning curve realizing how fragile these are.  The third one looks a bit like Frankenstein, stitches all over its face. 

The CT mini is my road warrior.  It now goes everywhere with me.  That's not to say that I do not baby it because of my previous experience with the CT36.  It got a small fracture on the front left corner and did not make the trip home.  I gently lifted up the front to engage the brake foot and "snap".  I was now the proud owner of a two piece hose garage.  I am going to make an attempt to repair by stitching it up, but I don't think I will have much success because it is a compound fracture. 

I will likely be forking out the money for a replacement sooner or later.  Do I have any options?  Should I install a fiberglass backing before I release it into the wild?  (serious question)

The short end of the story is that I cannot be without both of these wonderful dust collectors.  But for the long term, I would like to see a longer life out of the hose garages.  Everything else I own by Festool is rock solid. 

Cheers,
CF
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Bohdan on October 12, 2016, 10:54 PM
You could try filling the back of your existing hose garage with polyurathane foam to reinforce it.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Jim Green on October 13, 2016, 12:53 AM
I had to laugh when I read the title of your post. I have a ct 26 and a midi both with broken garages that I have replaced a few times. They tip over in your truck or you look at them and there you go crack! I also have a ct 22 and 33 which seem to be almost bullet proof. They all are good vacs but my older ones are shall we say a little more robust.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Cunningrj on October 13, 2016, 01:08 AM
I just replaced my hose garage and switch today because of damage while in the van. When I was at the connect event, I mentioned it to the repair guys and they said they are aware of it and apparently Festool is looking for a fix. [attach=1]
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: TSO Products on October 13, 2016, 08:51 AM
would not ABS cement (solvent) do a better job for repair with a thin sheet of ABS material as a reinforcement heat formed to conform? - or am I missing the point entirely?
Hans
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: aloysius on October 13, 2016, 09:15 AM
Have one for my CT22 sitting on top of the shelves.  Used it once only.  Utter waste of time & money.  Whilst it seemed like a good idea at the time, it actually makes the otherwise compact vac uselessly ungainly & (with a box or 2 loaded with sander/s & abrasives) unstably top heavy.

Unfortunately, it seems that later vacs need the stupid "top box" for the Festo toolcase locking lugs etc.

Maybe you could ditch it altogether & screw &/or glue a Systainer "Metadepot" from the Metabo/Starmix vac range to solve the problem once & for all...
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: mleny77 on October 13, 2016, 09:34 AM
I have the CT26 still intact but I don't move it around a lot. How does the cracking happen? Is it from moving around from job site to job site or when you store and remove the hose? When I first got it unit I thought that it seemed a little tight to remove the hose from the garage.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: sigmatango on October 13, 2016, 09:39 AM
I just replaced my hose garage and switch today because of damage while in the van. When I was at the connect event, I mentioned it to the repair guys and they said they are aware of it and apparently Festool is looking for a fix. (Attachment Link)
Nice to see someone else whose Festool stuff looks like its been actually used... ;)
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: SRSemenza on October 13, 2016, 12:49 PM
Does seem that there are a lot of cracked CT garage housings. But so far my two CT Minis that go to job sites are holding up.  Knock on wood......... or plastic.  [smile]

Seth
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: leakyroof on October 13, 2016, 01:03 PM
3 vacs, no broken parts or Garage issues. It will interesting to see what develops from this going forward next year.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: DrD on October 13, 2016, 02:08 PM
My CT 26 is 3 yrs old, was moved in 2 house moves in that period of time & everything is intact.  No issues.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: PreferrablyWood on October 13, 2016, 02:49 PM
4 or is it 5 year old CT Midi no cracks, it doesn't get bounced around in the back of a pickup truck or thrown down stairs though..
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Paul G on October 13, 2016, 02:51 PM
Both my 36 and mini garages are intact. But I don't drive around with them much. 
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: sigmatango on October 13, 2016, 04:47 PM
I have noticed that I need to buy a sysRoll. I have a tendency to stack all my Festool stuff on my CT26. That could cause future problems...  [scared] [eek]
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: antss on October 13, 2016, 07:42 PM
My CT26's is intact. But, that's because it's brand new this summer. The garage , not the vac.

My opinion is that the plastic on this generation of vac is not as robust as the 22/33 series- especially the garages. 

However , I was looking at the new sortainers & sys combis this week and plastic on the drawers feels a bit more supple than to old sortainer drawers. 

My observations only - as I have not conducted any scientific analysis on any of the materials.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: McNally Family on October 13, 2016, 07:51 PM
Does seem that there are a lot of cracked CT garage housings. But so far my two CT Minis that go to job sites are holding up.  Knock on wood......... or plastic.  [smile]

Seth

Just don't knock too hard........
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Jason Kehl on October 13, 2016, 08:45 PM
I have 2 Midi and 2 CT-26 on site and 1 CT-36 in the shop. I replaced one of the CT-26 house garages, but otherwise no problems. They get used daily, but not abused. The plastic is not very flexible so we make a point of not banging them into things on site and take a moment to secure them for transport in the tool trailer so they don't shift in transit.

j
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Kevin C. on October 13, 2016, 11:04 PM
Nope! My ct36 is just over a year old and today broke in a third place.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Gregor on October 14, 2016, 04:05 AM
CT36AC, ~2.8 years old, garage broke around the fixed systainer connectors when moving it over uneven ground (with XL700+OF1010 ontop). According to label produced 2012.

Problem with plastics is that the plasticizer giving it flexibility tend to fail after a while, making it brittle.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: JD2720 on October 14, 2016, 07:26 AM
I have owned 8 CTs of all sizes for many years. One stays in the truck full time the others travel as needed. I have yet to even crack a hose garage. I learned early on that the hose garages is not a carrying handles.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Coen on October 15, 2016, 05:55 PM
A CT-22(-SG), bought in a combo deal with my TS-55, I think in 2006. The hose garage is the -SG part, and was just new at that time. And a CT-26

None of them with cracks. But they largely remain in the garage.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: antss on October 17, 2016, 07:40 PM
Looks like most of the issues are on vacs that travel frequently ?   JD's notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Coen on October 18, 2016, 07:17 AM
That makes sense, since the hose garage is the thing that sticks out most and bumps into things when transporting it. However, parked under a CS-50... it never contacts with anything.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: SS Teach on November 16, 2016, 07:33 PM
The hose garage on my CT36 has a couple of cracks. I think many many days over 100 degrees F for several years has something to do with it. Plastic things don't last a long time where I live.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: BJM9818 on November 21, 2016, 12:05 AM
I have a CT36 with just 4 corner post on top. Both my midi garages are fine and one dates back to 2007.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: HarveyWildes on November 21, 2016, 09:03 AM
Mine is fine, but sees mostly shop use.  I have to say that it is a great idea for my house remodel projects - I put my systainer tool caddy on the garage and wheel all the hand and cordless tools around with the vacuum.  I would be disappointed if it broke so that it was no longer usable for that.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: duburban on November 22, 2016, 02:19 AM
I have two vacs and two cracks.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Roseland on November 22, 2016, 03:52 AM
My 8 year old CT26 is intact, but it spends almost all its life in the workshop, and I don't stack systainers on it.

Andrew
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: chippy on March 18, 2017, 03:15 AM
Mine fell over in van last week and now it has cracks and it will fall apart quickly now.
It will be the third top. I see many that are broken it is a real and cheap weakness.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Ross 71 on March 18, 2017, 08:35 PM
My midi has put up with near 2 years of being lumped around and is still intact.

I'm worried now....
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Lettusbee on March 18, 2017, 10:26 PM
I purchased both a CT26 and a midi this last summer.  The CT26 was already broken when I opened the box.  It was of course replaced by the vendor.  But still.  Decades of experience in plastics manufacturing, and we have to put up with this?   It's just a little weird some of the idiosyncrasies we accept in pursuit of superior tools.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Laminator on March 18, 2017, 11:08 PM
I recently had to repair the top of my oldest 26 where the work center rests on it. I lazily used it to push myself from my knees after changing the bag and it cracked about 8".  I used pl8 adhesive and filled the hollow channel completely.  It now feels solid as a polyurethane rock.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: jools on March 19, 2017, 02:53 AM
My 3yo midi is missing bits and has a cracked corner. Treated no different to a cheap vac which is in pristine condition.
It's seems to happen in the cold more.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: scholar on March 19, 2017, 07:56 AM
My CT26 is getting on a bit now and is all in one piece.  The only problem I have with that is the old style systainer catches and I really wish Festool would redesign the top with a T-Loc catch.

My CT Mini did suffer a small bit breaking off the corner of the hose guide on the "garage", but I replaced the whole top with the new T-Loc style, since when it has survived unscathed.

Cheers

Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: jools on March 19, 2017, 09:50 AM
That's where my midi broke first and I have the older systainer latches style. Was it hard to change @scholar ?
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: scholar on March 19, 2017, 10:27 AM
Piece of cake.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-how-to/update-ctl-minimidi-with-new-t-loc-top/msg324261/#msg324261

Cheers
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: HarveyWildes on March 19, 2017, 10:44 AM
I purchased both a CT26 and a midi this last summer.  The CT26 was already broken when I opened the box.  It was of course replaced by the vendor.  But still.  Decades of experience in plastics manufacturing, and we have to put up with this?   It's just a little weird some of the idiosyncrasies we accept in pursuit of superior tools.

I have a CT36 with an intact hose garage that came that way.  It is in a home shop, so doesn't get tradesman use, but it has survived the granddaughters, who clean my shop once a month or so for spending money.

For all of that, I actually do use the garage quite a bit when I'm in the shop.  I use it to stage whatever tool I'm using at the moment that requires dust collection.  Usually a systainer for the tool I'm using with the CT and another for consumables (dominos or sandpaper).
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Stan Tillinghast on April 20, 2017, 05:53 PM
My old CT 33 still has its hose garage intact; the newer (and more used) CT 36 has a broken garage. Everyone wants to sell me a garage for the CT 33, but the design is different. I can't find a part number for the hose garage for the CT 36. I recall the garage was an accessory for the 33 but standard on the 36.
Does anyone have a US source and part number for the hose garage replacement for the CT 36?
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: SRSemenza on April 20, 2017, 07:33 PM
My old CT 33 still has its hose garage intact; the newer (and more used) CT 36 has a broken garage. Everyone wants to sell me a garage for the CT 33, but the design is different. I can't find a part number for the hose garage for the CT 36. I recall the garage was an accessory for the 33 but standard on the 36.
Does anyone have a US source and part number for the hose garage replacement for the CT 36?

Looks like 496237 on the EKAT. Contact a dealer to order.

You can find parts diagrams on the Festool Spare Parts selection on the Festool Websites drop down in the top bar.

Seth
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Bob D. on April 20, 2017, 07:42 PM
My CT36 is still in great shape after 6+ years but it rarely gets pulled out from under the outfeed table of my tablesaw.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: PA floor guy on April 20, 2017, 07:42 PM
I'm so glad to see this post. I have spoken with Shane and Tyler about it already. Tyler is gonna get this resolved with festool Directly.   THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!
    Each day that goes by gets me more irritated, having 5 festool vacs.  All broken garages.     
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Brice Burrell on April 20, 2017, 08:46 PM
I'm so glad to see this post. I have spoken with Shane and Tyler about it already. Tyler is gonna get this resolved with festool Directly.   THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!
    Each day that goes by gets me more irritated, having 5 festool vacs.  All broken garages.   

I hope you mean Festool is going to fix the issue with the plastic, and not just your broken vacs.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Stan Tillinghast on April 20, 2017, 10:33 PM
SRSemenza, thanks for checking on that part number 496237. Yes, EKAT does show that as the correct part for the CT 36. I was going by the images I see online for that part, which is the picture for the older hose garage as far as I can tell. I will check with the local dealer, thanks. Or maybe I won't and will wait until Festool makes an unbreakable hose garage.  [wink]
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: fralapp on November 20, 2018, 12:26 PM
I just purchase a used CT 26E vacuum and the hose garage plastics have broken without any provocation at all.  First thing, it snapped of in my hand when I attempted to roll it by grabbing the plastic edge.  The plastic looks like it is made of Baklite plastic and is thin and brittle.  This should have been covered by a product notice and recall by Festool. 

When ordering a new garage, the replacement is described as such: Replacement T-LOC hose garage for Festool CT 26, CT 36 and CT 48 dust extractors. New improved 2018 model with improved reinforcement from two main points – new structural design and an upgraded ABS thermoplastic.

For a tool that cost over $700.00, Festools have lost some the shine for me.  Otherwise, the extractor works very well
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Kodi Crescent on November 21, 2018, 08:56 AM
I have the CT26 still intact but I don't move it around a lot. How does the cracking happen? Is it from moving around from job site to job site or when you store and remove the hose? When I first got it unit I thought that it seemed a little tight to remove the hose from the garage.

My several-year-old CT26 sits on a cart in the garage and is only moved when I empty the bag.  Mine garage broke by grasping the lip front lip of it and pulling the vacuum towards me so I could access the latches and remove the bag.  It was a simple pull, nothing out of the ordinary (IMO).  The plastic got brittle over time and all it took was a simple pressure on that particular spot.

My several-year-old Midi garage busted after tumbling down 2 carpeted steps.  This vacuum was dragged all over the place throughout the house.  Again, the plastic became brittle over time and it didn't take much for it to bust.

I bought a new garage for the Midi, but it didn't fit.  Festool sent me an updated version along with another part to ensure it fit.  This part feels much more robust.  I'm very thankful for the level of service I received from Festool.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: bror on December 02, 2018, 10:21 AM
My second hose garage has died. It bit me in the finger when it went.

That will not happen again.

[attachimg=1]

I really like my festool vac, I think the new hoses are brillliant, as is the new remote, but the hose garage...
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: JimH2 on January 19, 2019, 10:51 AM
4 Vacs with garages and no problems.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: harry_ on January 19, 2019, 09:28 PM
worst $80 (at the time) I ever spent!
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Coen on January 20, 2019, 12:18 PM
The hose garage on my CTL-26 is also broken now, where it connects to the vac and the front right corner.

SRSemenza, thanks for checking on that part number 496237. Yes, EKAT does show that as the correct part for the CT 36. I was going by the images I see online for that part, which is the picture for the older hose garage as far as I can tell. I will check with the local dealer, thanks. Or maybe I won't and will wait until Festool makes an unbreakable hose garage.  [wink]

Part 204040 is the newer one for T-locs it seems. But that makes it harder to stack classic Systainer on it as you would need to apply four latches instead of two.

Next time I am making Epoxy I'll try to glue up the old garage with glassfibre.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: harry_ on January 20, 2019, 05:21 PM
I noticed that the garage that is part of my CT36 AC is universal. Too bad there isn't a similar one for the older vacs.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Steve1 on January 21, 2019, 08:48 AM
My CT36 is 2 or 3 years old.   Hose garage still fine.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: duburban on January 21, 2019, 10:24 AM
I have 1 of 2 because I just replaced it.
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: Joe Felchlin on January 21, 2019, 10:24 AM
Long time hobbyist (Dust Collectors stay in shop/in place).
Hose garages for CT33 and CT26 intact and unbroken. [smile]
Title: Re: Does anyone have a vac with a hose garage intact?
Post by: jobsworth on January 27, 2019, 12:41 PM
I replaced the one on my CT26.  Hans is right about using ABS glue, dont work. Best to just get a new one.