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Offline Shadytree

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I don't buy off on the whole we are woodworkers not machinist argument. That table is not very big, .010 is just sloppy workmanship.

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Offline neilc

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Shady -

Curious about your work and where you are working to tighter than 1/100 of an inch in wood.

Please share!

Offline Dovetail65

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I don't buy off on the whole we are woodworkers not machinist argument. That table is not very big, .010 is just sloppy workmanship.

Are you talking about the actual saw construction being sloppy or woodworking projects needing to be within .01 ?

I am  thinking you are referring to the actual table, that it needs to be within 1/100 or its sloppy manufacturing,  because we all know the stuff we make  out of wood is looking perfect if we can get to within 1/100 tolerances. Actually for things not glued it's all about even reveals more than trying to eliminate the gaps.

Our biggest battle is making things look good over time because wood movement is far more than .01 through seasonal changes.

I make inlays for a living and have done so for 11 years and I wouldn't claim precision to 1/100 and you can't see gaps in my work.
The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.

Offline jdw101

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@itchy, have you taken any feeler gauges and measured how unflat it is...

I just recently bought one, my table was not level. It was off by .012 on the left side. I sent it to festool service. When I got it back, it now has a .010 (I can easily see light under it) dish across the table instead. Festool says its within spec and told me to make test cuts. I did, my 2nd cut was slightly off. If the table was nice and flat, it would not have been off.

So I am left with accepting a sub par saw, or use the 30 day return policy and pay $70 to ship it back.  [mad]

For what that saw costs, I would send it back every time until I had the one I wanted.  I have a large Milwaukee compound miter that is HUGE and it doesn't have that problem and was around 700 all in.  I want the Kapex badly but I would need both to cut the bigger stuff.  But no point in not getting it how you want for that kind of dough!

Offline antss

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Guys - I think the complaint in general is that (we) expect more form a tool maker that has positioned itself as the uber, ne plus ultra of the tool and charges accordingly.

Features are nice, but fit and finish as well as longevity are a key component to the value proposition.  A fancy package and a fan boy site are all well and good. But if the tools have basically the same tolerances and lifespan as your average brand tool - then Festool becomes a case of the emperor's new clothes in which we're all getting hoodwinked. 

I also think that in light if Kapex's motor woes, Festool's lack of response to them, coupled with the high price makes for a high satisfaction bar to meet.  Fair or unfair as that may be.

Offline CutsTwice

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Re: After putting it off for four years I have finally picked up a Kapex
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2018, 12:54 AM »
I purchased a Kapex 120 appr. 10 years ago (I believe they hadn't been out long). It was used heavily as a cabinet installation tool for three years and occasionally for all the years since. It still fires up every time I reach for it.

The guys I worked next to referred to it as the "Crown-Killer". Between the crown stops, the inherent accuracy, and a 28 gg. pin nailer, I could run through 50 feet of molding in about an hour. We were paid 3.50 per foot to install crown. Wasn't bad money for a young guy.

Before that I had a DeWalt slider. Nothing but fudging miter joints and applying colored putty to hide tooth marks.

The Kapex 120 is a darned good saw.
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Offline chill4

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Re: After putting it off for four years I have finally picked up a Kapex
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2018, 12:06 PM »
I took the plunge a couple of years ago and the Kapex was my first Festool purchase. I needed a "woodworking" grade sliding miter saw, not carpentry grade. I was using a high-end Bosch unit at our church shop. Great carpentry saw but not up to par for my woodworking needs.
When I got the saw home I immediately did the 4 cut test so I could dial it in perfectly (I've never had a new tool that didn't need adjustment). The result of the test was horrific. When I found that the board was rocking on the saw table, I figured the test board was warped. Nope, it was dead flat. Started checking table flatness and it was off by over .020". Furthermore, if you rotated the table, the flatness changed, so there was no fixing it.
Fortunately, I bought the saw from my local tool dealer. Took it back and he was shocked at the condition. He ordered 3 more saws and let me have the pick of the litter. I found one that was pretty close to flat (~.003). I love the saw and it produces woodworking-level precision along with some useful features. It became the first of a total of 11 Festools I now have. My take on Festool is you pay 2-3 times more than the next best and you get a 20% better tool. For me, that 20% is invaluable (probably offsets my incompetence). If you don't need it, save your money.
Bottom line on the Kapex table flatness is; it varies from unit to unit. Festool's manufacturing process is too variable. That's why some user's question other's experience with the saw. They may have a good one, but the bad ones are out there in large quantity. My dealer's Festool rep agrees there is a problem and he is frustrated with the company's refusal to acknowledge it.
Lesson I learned was; it pays to buy from your local dealer if that is an option. For those in the Detroit, MI area, go see Brady at Marsh Power Tools (I have no self-interest in it, but I give credit to a first class outfit).

Offline Canoescapes

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Re: After putting it off for four years I have finally picked up a Kapex
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2018, 06:33 PM »
+1 on working with Brady at Marsh Power Tools in the Detroit area.  He is very knowledgeable and stands by products sold.  I bought a Powermatic planer from Brady a few years ago that had a minor manufacturing defect.  It was easily corrected and not worth the hassle of replacing the planer.  Brady could have easily told me what to do, but instead, his response was to drive to my home and correct the defect himself.  I am a hobbyist not a woodworking business.