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Offline Welshdog

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Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« on: March 06, 2018, 07:28 PM »
I got my new and definitely improved CT hose garage for my 26E today. Here are some pics and the story.

My original garage, like most, was cracked and broken in a several places. Thought briefly about laying up some fiberglass and epoxy to reinforce it, but got lazy and thought better of it.  Glad I did because this new one is way better than anything I could have kluged together. 

Look through the pics and you'll first see that the box arrived very mangled - I was sure the new part was destroyed.  Testimony to how much this new piece is better made, it was completely unscathed.  In fact, the two front lower corners (which are sort of sharp) had pierced through the box and were dragging around in the UPS man's truck it seems.  Again, none the worse for the wear.  I would suggest to The Toolnut / FestoolProducts.com that they ship in a more substantial box.
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You can plainly see that the new part is heavily reinforced compared to the old one.  There are cross pieces underneath the entire top portion.  The plastic seems to be tough with a bit of flex in it.  Not at all brittle feeling like the original.  The front lip next to the hose channel feels pretty sturdy as a grab handle, but I'm sure that is still not it's intended use - be careful pulling the vac around this way.

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Removal of the old garage was easy using my Toolie.  Those are some pretty odd, very long screws there.  When replacing the screws I turned them backwards first until I found the thread start point so as not to ream out the plastic in the base unnecessarily. Take care when tightening as these screws don't need to be torqued down much at all.
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Systainers of both flavors fit well and lock down tight. See pics.  I have one issue with the back left clip used for the old style Systainers.  I made a comparison pic so you can see what is happening.  The left image shows the clip looking sort of angled or twisted.  If I flip the clip back so it can receive a Systainer, it in fact does sort of pop out of it's channel and twists.  If I push my thumb against the base of the clip as I am flipping it outwards, I can get it to properly seat and go into the receiving position.  This not a huge deal for me since I don't put Systainers on my vac all that often.  It is, however, some sort of molding error and everyone should watch out for this in case it's not limited to just my garage.
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I would say this is a very worthwhile purchase for anyone with a broken garage.  It is improved in almost every way and is priced right.  Go for it.

Jeff
« Last Edit: March 06, 2018, 07:31 PM by Welshdog »
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Offline Shane Holland

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2018, 07:31 PM »
Nice review! Definitely an improvement that should help with durability. [thumbs up]

If anyone's looking to replace theirs, we have the new more robust T-LOC hose garages in stock.
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Offline ghjaxman

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2018, 09:10 PM »
I need this for my old CT-22 and midi. My shattered years ago, too brital.

Offline cpw

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2018, 09:40 PM »
Does the extra webbing and reinforcement affect the fit of the hose on top at all?  With a D36 hose that came with the workshop cleaning kit it's a bit tighter than the original D27 on my CT 26 that doesn't have the updated garage, but still fits.  Just want to make sure if I do change it out that I'm not going to regret it.

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2018, 09:54 PM »
The new one certainly looks smaller (and with a smaller "mouth" for the hose to feed into). 
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Offline Welshdog

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2018, 10:26 PM »
Does the extra webbing and reinforcement affect the fit of the hose on top at all?  With a D36 hose that came with the workshop cleaning kit it's a bit tighter than the original D27 on my CT 26 that doesn't have the updated garage, but still fits.  Just want to make sure if I do change it out that I'm not going to regret it.

I went out and jammed a 36mm hose into the garage.  Is this how you do it?  It is very tight.

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2018, 08:57 AM »
I just replaced my hosing garage a month or so ago.  Looks like I will have to wait a couple of seasons till it (inevitably) cracks to upgrade to the new one.  Kind of surprising though that they cut down a bit on the room for the hose.
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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2018, 09:58 AM »
I just replaced my hosing garage a month or so ago.  Looks like I will have to wait a couple of seasons till it (inevitably) cracks to upgrade to the new one.  Kind of surprising though that they cut down a bit on the room for the hose.

Probably would have needed to make the over all size bigger to not cut down on the interior space. Also this comes along at the same time as the new hoses. The new hoses will be much easier to jam in.

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2018, 10:26 PM »
I just replaced my hosing garage a month or so ago.  Looks like I will have to wait a couple of seasons till it (inevitably) cracks to upgrade to the new one.  Kind of surprising though that they cut down a bit on the room for the hose.

Did the 36mm hose ever fit easily into the top of a CT?  All I ever had in mine was the 27mm.
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Offline Knight Woodworks

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2018, 08:43 AM »
Not in a Midi, IDK about the larger CTs.

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Offline CBRacerX

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2018, 07:33 AM »
Nice review! Definitely an improvement that should help with durability. [thumbs up]

If anyone's looking to replace theirs, we have the new more robust T-LOC hose garages in stock.

Broken link here - I went to see if the Mini had an update available.

Offline mcooley

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2018, 09:26 AM »
My CT 26 cracked where the hose enters the front of the hose garage. The replacement is reinforced at that point with a metal steel bracket.

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2018, 09:31 AM »
@CBRacerX, thanks for the heads up. It was accidentally turned off on the website. It's back and ready to order. Sorry about that.  [embarassed]
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Offline Don T

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2018, 11:17 AM »
Dang I thought the new hose garage was only for the newer CT’s. I just purchased a replacement for my broken one on my CT33. I guess that will need to go on the CT22 and get the new style for the CT33.
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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2018, 02:04 PM »
@CBRacerX, thanks for the heads up. It was accidentally turned off on the website. It's back and ready to order. Sorry about that.  [embarassed]

Thanks, it does not appear that the Mini or Midi has an upgrade path...

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2018, 02:06 PM »
Thanks, it does not appear that the Mini or Midi has an upgrade path...

@CBRacerX, here's a link to the hose garage for the MINI/MIDI.
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Offline CrazyLarry

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2018, 04:36 PM »
I'm sorry I can't let this slide... 2/10

This is NOT an improvement it is a case of fixing something that Festool BROKE through the introduction of the T-Loc without adequate  testing, rigor or good engineering.

So no they deserve NO credit just a shrug of about time and to be blunt they should also be sending a FREE one to every p*ssed of owner of a CT!!!

I for example am on Top #4 and that's with epoxying large reinforcements to the underside of the last 2...

Offline Frank-Jan

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2018, 05:02 PM »
I don't think the introduction of the T-loc has anything to do with it, just the quality of the hose garage. I am on number 3. (I only had 2 for my ct22, but I just stopped replacing after number 2 broke. (it was an add on for the ct22, not part of it, like on the ctl26).

I was thinking of modifying my ctl 26 with parts from the HD version when the current hose garage would break, but I think I'll give the new T-loc version a try.

I also plan on getting an AC version, and I will go for the HD version for that one. (they come with the smooth hose now aswell) (I prefer having a flat surface to temporarily put stuff down on)

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2019, 06:56 AM »
I just recieved my new T loc hose garage this morning, I'll be fitting it over the weekend but have already noticed that its made out of ABS, not exactly the toughest plastic available.
I'll be keeping a very close eye on how long ot lasts because the first one (old style) didn't last well at all and if it fails I'll be having to use words like "Not of merchantable quality".

I wouldn't normally be so ready to be on a companies case but as the old one was woefully inadequate so I'm kind of primed for it.

If it were glass reinforced nylon I'd be far more confident.
I understand that it causes far more wear on the molds but other manufactures manage it and still don't charge an arm and a leg.

I'll see how it comes on and report back if there's problems.

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 01:42 PM »
 I'm re-posting this here since I'm not familiar with how the forum works. (old Coot, I guess)
My original comment only applies to the CT-Mini, because we have to buy the 2 part replacement that requires re-wiring by the owner, or 'repair' fees from Festool.

"Hi, I'm new to the forum & hope this is the correct section to post. Our shop has an older CT-Mini. Many have noted in the forum the tendency of the hose garage to shatter. Ours did when a screwdriver fell on it. Dozens of tiny bits.
 As folks have also noted here, it took quite a while for Festool to concur that the hose garage was made out of lousy plastic. BUT, they did not issue a RECALL. A recall would have been the standup way to address a product design mistake.
Before ordering the replacement part (499748 $86), I called Festool customer service to confirm that the install of the replacement part did not require any re-wiring by the consumer.
I was told, no prob, it's an easy screw off/on task. I had seen a post here saying the opposite & clearly the power cord came out of a hole in the upper casing being replaced.(?)
The Fest rep checked with tech people and came back with 'I stand corrected! Yes, there is re-wiring involved.' I asked if they had a diagram/instructions for the replacement. There was a long pause- while they lawyered up I think.
         Festool Customer Service changed from a friendly chat to the usual corporate brushoff.
The eventual email reply is too long to post (AND all their emails claim that it is not legal to re-post anything they say!), but basically Festool said they don't have instructions for the swap. When I responded 'Wha?'
The next email said, along with other dodges, Festool was not willing to join in someone's self-repair. Send it in for the replacement and 'professional' install.
So, with shipping, the new part, and official Festool repair, the bill would likely be more than 50% of the original purchase of the vac.
Does anyone have advice on how to install the replacement & re-wire? I promise not to hold you liable!

1.Festool designs a faulty part out of lousy plastic. 2.They ignore customers' complaints. 3.They finally make a replacement part that only their 'experts can install.
Yikes. I like their tools, but it's likely that their execs are too flaky to see that a recall was the right way to go. That's why execs are paid the big bucks, right? To throw more money into lawyers and exec salaries and leave the customer service folks holding the bag.

If anyone is still out there after this tirade, any instructions? Should I just build a wooden hose garage- anyone done that or some other work around?
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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 02:08 PM »
You don't need a professional - Festool simply isn't supporting the DIY repair crowd.  Same way they don't support you're changing out of an electronic on a EC sander that goes bad.   Schematics for the tools are easily available here so that someone with reasonable DIY skills should be able to hash it out.

We as buyer's simply have to weigh this corp. posture along with the fact that stuff isn't as great as it's made out to be (hose garage, kapex motor,  mis-matched sys heights, and cleantec fitting,  ect...) against the good stuff like high re-sale value, long warranty, and generally better products and features.   Then there's the ownership "experience" with things like this website.  The traffic over on the DeWalt forum is non-existent.

Lots of faults with Festool for sure, but I don't think Makita is going to give you a step by step tutorial on swapping out an electrical cord on their tools either.   I was more ticked that Festool sold me a crappy piece of 70's GM plastic on a premium priced vac and then charged me for the fix than I am about no video detiling the process of replacement.

Offline NYC

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 02:43 PM »
Thanks Xedos,
Yes, I agree. We at least have this forum to confer.

When you wrote "Schematics for the tools are easily available here "  Where did you mean? Somewhere on this forum?
I'd like to look at it before I go crazy building some wooden go around- (that would be my grt-grandfather's fix, but he'd do it better).

Sure, manufacturers may not like DIY, but this should have been a recall.

Instead, Festool sent me a condescending scolding. But, you're right , that's more than the usual silence.

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Re: Improved CT Hose Garage T-Lock
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 07:52 PM »
Yup.

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