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Offline Jmacpherson

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2018, 04:49 PM »
I 100% notice that the 5.2ah batteries provide more power than the 2.6ah compact batteries. No technical data to share, but in use the difference is easily noticeable to me. It's not obvious in general day to day use, but when it comes to bigger tasks like driving 25cm long screws, you definitely notice the extra power from the bigger ah packs.

I also now have the newer/current 3.1ah compact batteries, but haven't owned and used them enough to confirm the same difference. But i assume that like the older 2.6ah compact batteries there will be a small but noticeable reduction of power compared to the bigger batteries.

@mrB I experienced the above on the BHC using the 3.1ah compact because it makes the unit even lighter without any "perceived" loss in performance. I then switched to a 5.2ah and the power difference was immediately noticeable. Discovered beast mode!
There was still charge in the 3.1 but I need to redo this compare with 100% fully charged batteries to reconfirm that this was Ah related and not additional factors

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Offline AndrewG

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C18 drill
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2019, 04:37 PM »
I picked up the C18 yesterday and got a chance to use it in the afternoon for a bit. I was a bit hesitant as the last time I picked up a C18 it felt a bit awkward. My purchase was based off the feel of a C12 and C15 that I handled and really liked it. The three are similar sizes so I put that down to trying to use the C18 with my index finger like I would a regular drill. Here in Australia the set version with the various chucks is not available, but I do intend to get the eccentric and possibly the right hand chuck down the track.

As soon as I picked it up and adopted the same grip as my CXS (middle finger on the trigger), I feel in love. The balance was spot on and it felt like an extension of my hand. I used it for a little while and it brought a smile to my face, it was smooth and powerful enough for what I need it to do. I then used a different grip with my index finger as the trigger finger, and it felt awkward like when I first picked up the drill. So I guess the grip does make a big difference.

I still need to send in for my 5.2ah battery via redemption. I initially thought I’d sell it and buy a 3.1ah battery, but the balance felt right with the right grip so I won’t be in a rush to get it, but I’ll no doubt eventually get the smaller battery.

I also picked up a centrotec installers kit the other week for cost price. It’s not the most packed out kit, but the deal was very good so it was a no brainer. I used a variety of the bits and I must say it’s nice to not have to put the drill in reverse and use the jacobs chuck. Bit changes are easy and they’re very good quality. I’m pretty keen now to pick up a 2015 imperial centrotec kit 201312 as it has a lot of the square bits that I use a lot of. I know they’re hard to get, but I’ll email around.

Obviously it’s early days, but I’m very happy with the C18. I’ll put it to use over the next week which will give me a better indication, but so far it’s all good news.

Thanks for all the input.

Cheers
« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 04:49 PM by AndrewG »

Offline Gregor

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2019, 04:55 PM »
I still need to send in for my 5.2ah battery via redemption. I initially thought I’d sell it and buy a 3.1ah battery, but the balance felt right with the right grip so I won’t be in a rush to get it, but I’ll no doubt eventually get the smaller battery.
With the thing already giving you a smile with a big battery... wait till you use it with a small one  [big grin]

Offline travisj

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2019, 07:13 PM »
I love my C18.

As to the installer’s kit, if you’re only after the Robertson bits, there are aftermarket Centrotec versions. 

https://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=centrotec%20shank%20robertson%20square



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Offline AndrewG

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2019, 07:01 PM »
Thanks for the links. The centrotec kit has pretty much everything I need to finish my set off, but it’s looking unlikely I’ll pick one up from a dealer. My only chance will be a used one that hopefully hasn’t been used at all/much.

In the meantime, I’ll probably have to buy some aftermarket Robertson bits from atlas or snappy.

Cheers

Offline AndrewG

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C18 drill
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2019, 05:08 AM »
So I’ve been looking for Robertson drivers from atlas and snappy. Toolnut wont ship to Australia and the atlas bits directly from them is way too expensive for shipping ($100 plus). I’m waiting for an alternative shipping option.

Anyway, I’ve now started looking here in Australia for square drive detent bits. I’ll just put them into the locking collar on the centrotec bit. But I can only find square drive bits, are these the same as Robertson? My understanding is that the Robertson bits have a taper?

I’ve been thinking of getting the PDC skin, but might now wait for the TI18 to be released and see what the reviews are like.

Cheers
« Last Edit: January 12, 2019, 05:37 AM by AndrewG »

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2019, 07:16 AM »
There have been conversations here about Robertson and square drive naming.  At the end of the day they are interchangeable.  Much like Kleenex and facial tissues.

Peter

Offline Coen

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2019, 02:43 PM »
Wow that wall connector on the charging cable is enormous  [eek]. Are there no smaller 2-pin plugs in Australia?


Offline AndrewG

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2019, 03:12 AM »
Got a chance to buy an old Festool (Festo) drill set for $100 (about $75 US). It’s a CDD 12 FX

I’m more interested in the right angle attachment and eccentric chuck. Does anyone know if they will fit on the newer style drills, eg my C18. The box says it’s nova drive which I assume was what they and before centrotec.

I can try and post photos later.
Cheers,
Andy

Offline AndrewG

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2019, 03:30 AM »
Here is the contents

Offline mrB

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2019, 05:37 AM »
Those chucks are the same as they have always been and will fit any T12, C12, T15, C15, T18, C18 Drill.
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Online grobkuschelig

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2019, 05:39 AM »
Does anyone know if they will fit on the newer style drills, eg my C18?

Hi Andy, they look identical to my C18 accessories.
I also have no knowledge of Festool changing those.

The changes I know of are from older corded drills, that had a different mounting mechanism.

Hope this helps.

Offline AndrewG

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2019, 07:49 AM »
Thank you for the replies. I ended up getting it, the chucks are worth $250 here in Australia plus the systainer has to be worth $40 as it’s in very good condition.

I did a bit of research on the drill, looks like it was the model before the C12. I’m not expecting much from it, I’ll probably just leave the Jacobs chuck in  and use it as a spare. I’m not even sure it accepts a centrotec chuck but I guess I’ll find out soon.

Thanks

Offline mrB

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2019, 11:06 AM »
It will also accept the centrotec chuck
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline Coen

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2019, 06:38 PM »
Got a chance to buy an old Festool (Festo) drill set for $100 (about $75 US). It’s a CDD 12 FX

I’m more interested in the right angle attachment and eccentric chuck. Does anyone know if they will fit on the newer style drills, eg my C18. The box says it’s nova drive which I assume was what they and before centrotec.

I can try and post photos later.
Cheers,
Andy

The catch was the dead batteries and switch that only goes full on or off?  [tongue]

Offline AndrewG

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2019, 08:36 PM »
Apparently at least one of the batteries was replaced in 2016 so it’ll be interesting to see how it goes. I’ve wanted a third drill for a while, and plan on getting the new 18V impact. This will have to do until I can afford/it gets released.

Offline Coen

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2019, 11:36 PM »
Apparently at least one of the batteries was replaced in 2016 so it’ll be interesting to see how it goes. I’ve wanted a third drill for a while, and plan on getting the new 18V impact. This will have to do until I can afford/it gets released.

Well, the eccentric and right angle chuck already made it a good deal. Anything else is just bonus.

I wonder how they are going to price the combo pack of T18 Set + Impact

I'm kinda leaning blue for a new battery drill. For the price of a Festool T18+3 Set I could just as well get a Bosch GSR 18 and GDR (impact) 18 with 3 batteries. Then to cover the eccenter and right angle chuck I could get one of those 12V drills; the GSR 12v-15 FC and after selling the L-boxes and buying a Systainer I'll still have about 50 bucks left over. Having that 12V drill on the side will reduce the pain of not having Centrotec.

Offline AndrewG

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2019, 04:17 AM »
I’m not sure what sets they’re coming out with, I just hope it’s available early on as a basic drill with no batteries etc. Where did you hear the T18/impact (TI18?) combo?

The T18 and impact would make a good set, but I really like the C18. I can only dream they bring out an C style impact.

I’m also curious to know more about the impact, and whether it will come with a jacobs chuck or just centrotec? After the TI15 issues and trying to make it hybrid, it’ll be interesting to see what they do. It’ll be extremely handy also if they somehow made a hex style attachment to use regular hex bits like snappys. I imagine news won’t be that far away.


Cheers

Offline AndrewG

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2019, 04:45 AM »
I’m not sure what sets they’re coming out with, I just hope it’s available early on as a basic drill with no batteries etc. Where did you hear the T18/impact (TI18?) combo?

The T18 and impact would make a good set, but I really like the C18. I can only dream they bring out an C style impact.

I’m also curious to know more about the impact, and whether it will come with a jacobs chuck or just centrotec? After the TI15 issues and trying to make it hybrid, it’ll be interesting to see what they do. It’ll be extremely handy also if they somehow made a hex style attachment to use regular hex bits like snappys. I imagine news won’t be that far away.


Cheers

Offline Coen

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2019, 08:54 PM »
Where did you hear the T18/impact (TI18?) combo?

Nowhere. Just assumption as they also sold T18 + TI18 in the past.

I did hear something about an 18V Impact + 18V Vecturo + 18V angle grinder. Also that did ditched the wired Vecturo. Still wondering about pricing though. As the cordless tools are w/o Plug-It, guide railing, dust extraction etc. it's almost a different ecosystem anyway.

Re: C18 drill
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2019, 01:06 PM »
There has never been a 18V impact. The TI15 was "it" and a bit clumsy to be honest. Never bonded with mine.

I do look forward to the new impact, it's been a long wait for me. The cordless Vecturo will be on the list as well. I am not that keen on another grinder as I have an excellent Hitachi 18V already and I don't use them that often.

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Offline Coen

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2019, 10:52 PM »
Oops, you're right. There never was a TI18

Offline JimH2

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Re: C18 drill
« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2019, 10:37 AM »
I use the "C" series drills only because I like the grip and idea that it gives me some protection from busting my knuckles should the driver slip off of the screw. Depending on what you are doing this might be a concern.