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Offline Wesley166

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CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« on: June 28, 2019, 10:31 AM »
Hi
I recently purchased the CT VA 20 cyclone unit at one of the Festool roadshows and found the one I purchased was different to the one on display. Festool have updated the unit with a strap either side which ties the top and bottom parts together so it can be picked up as one unit but is still able to be separated to change the bag. They have also added a foam packer inside the top lid which pushes the circular cyclone unit down to improve the seal of the cyclone to the outside atmosphere. These mods are available as an upgrade kit No 269792.

The kit comes with rudimentary instruments in the form of three photos which need to be followed closely if you are not to break the top unit when removing the original locking handles. The pivots on the original locking handles have a ramp moulded in the end  to aid removal lining up your pull with these makes life easier.

The foam packer is an excellent fit to the lid and has a sticky pad to retain it.

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Offline Roachmill

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2019, 02:47 PM »
Sounds interesting and thanks for sharing. It's a great wee unit; one I wouldn't be without. Google's not turning up much at the moment so must be very new.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2019, 05:18 PM »
Nice to hear, sounds like they are addressing issues users have brought up.   I almost made a foam bit as described.

I still think it would be best to create a Gen II version  where the hopper fits inside a systainer and the top and bottom just latch together, so it's just one big systainer.  Solve the whole 2 peice issue.

I may be buying a second one in the future, so sounds like I'll hang tight till more news comes.

Offline Roachmill

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2019, 05:25 PM »
Something to keep the bag stuck to the floor would be good too. I've poked mine down best I can and now end up weighing it down with a few scraps... possibly to no effect but it stops the bag getting sucked up.

Offline harry_

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2019, 08:07 PM »
do you have any picture or links on this? I'm coming up dry.

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Offline jobsworth

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2019, 10:31 PM »
I bought one yesterday and didnt the upgrades. Hmmmm

Offline infer

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2019, 02:54 AM »

Offline Wesley166

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2019, 10:14 AM »
Hi
Glad I have started a discussion about the CT VA 20, I forgot to mention that the upgrade kit was supplied to me from Festool at no cost, so if you have an older version it might be worth contacting your dealer about the availability of the kit.

With regards to the bag not staying in place this is a design flaw with the current build. What happens is that it is very difficult to remove all the air from between the outside of the bag and the clear drop box, this air is at normal atmospheric pressure. When you use the cyclone the inside of the bag is at negative pressure and the trapped air on the outside of the bag expands and pushes the bag inwards. What is required is to equalise the pressure/vacuum on both sides of the bag with a tube, so the bag does not move.
This is not that difficult to achieve and I am surprised at Festool for not engineering the drop box correctly. I am planning to modify my unit to overcome this fault but am a little busy with other things at the moment.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2019, 10:46 AM »
@Wesley166

Very Kool,

 Thanks for the info.

Ill give them a call Monday.

Like I said I bought mine Last Thursday and didnt get the up date kit.

Offline Wesley166

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2019, 11:25 AM »
When I was talking about the bag that catches the dust I forgot to mention that the bags that Festool supply, at great cost, are not helping the trapped air situation. These bags are quite thick and are difficult to place against the sides of the drop box, as an alternative I have tried normal kitchen waste bin bags which mould to the drop box better being thinner.
I understand why Festool supply the thick bags as they don’t want any grief from users splitting the bag and getting dust everywhere. If you use the thinner bags you have to be a bit more responsible and treat them with care when full. For the Road Warriors out there you could put the full bag in a box or bucket so it is protected from the sharp bits in the van when you take it to be disposed off.

Offline Roachmill

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2019, 11:29 AM »
Excellent stuff @Wesley166. Will drop the dealer a line and see what they say. If you do get round to modifying your drop box I'd love to see what you did.

Offline live4ever

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2019, 12:49 PM »
Thanks!  Will need to look into this for my unit.
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

Offline harry_

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2019, 09:07 PM »
can we get some input from @Festool USA  on how to acquire these? My searches for the part on the website turn up nothing. I have two of these purchased new @ time of release.
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Offline Wesley166

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2019, 12:22 PM »
Hi Harry
I can understand your frustration but I have no clout with Festool and live in the UK.
I would think that this upgrade kit is very new and the dealer who sourced it for me had direct help from the Festool road show team.
All I can suggest is contacting your local dealer to source the kit for you, I am sure they will not be the only dealer contacting Festool about this if the response to this thread is anything to go by.
Good luck

Offline jobsworth

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2019, 01:02 PM »
can we get some input from @Festool USA  on how to acquire these? My searches for the part on the website turn up nothing. I have two of these purchased new @ time of release.

its the weekend. They are off barbqueing with their families.

I called both my brick and mortar dealer and festool this morning thinking it was Monday. then I realized it was Sunday.

Its hard being retired sometimes [big grin]

Oh and I posted that question in the ax Festool folder. Thats where they address (or not) these sort of issues
« Last Edit: June 30, 2019, 01:04 PM by jobsworth »

Offline Roachmill

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2019, 05:25 AM »
Just checked with the fine folks I bought mine from. They replied within minutes  [smile] saying they'd spoken with Festool about it, that the UK part number for this is 205239 and they can order it in for £27 all-in. Not sounding too likely for a free update / upgrade from Festool for us early adopters. Colour me shocked  [huh]

Offline infer

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2019, 07:08 AM »

Offline Wesley166

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2019, 07:56 AM »
Hi
My kit has a different part number to the one Roachmill was offered as it probably came direct from Germany with a German part number.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2019, 12:05 PM »
called Festool USA this morning, They said yes there is a update kit but it hasn't been sent to thins side of the pond yet.  They didnt have a ETA of when/if it will be arriving they also said they dont have a notification process for us who own one when/if it arrives.

Offline The Wizard

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2019, 12:57 PM »
called Festool USA this morning, They said yes there is a update kit but it hasn't been sent to thins side of the pond yet.  They didnt have a ETA of when/if it will be arriving they also said they dont have a notification process for us who own one when/if it arrives.

I'm disappointed to hear this. I just ordered one and it will be here in a week or so. More than likely, these additional parts won't be included.  Just might have to send it back and wait until things are sorted out.

Festool should get on the ball and quickly ship out these upgrade kits to all their authorized dealers worldwide so they can be included with each purchase. While the straps may not be too critical, it sounds like the foam piece inside is very critical for proper and continuous operation/suction.

Lastly, thanks for posting this Wesley166.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2019, 03:52 PM »
@The Wizard

Mine even w/o the upgrade works great.

So I wouldnt let not having the upgrade stop you from buying it if you need it. It sort of cool watching that dust fly around the bit while Im sanding et

Offline LDBecker

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2019, 11:58 PM »
A question on the issue of the bag getting sucked up - is that an issue with these? I have an Oneida Dust Deputy on my CT36, and it has a small air hose going into the top bin and attaches to the vacuum hose below - all for the express purpose of keeping the bags from getting sucked in. There is also a filter on the inlet in the bin. Genius solution... I was wondering how Festool dealt with the suction/bag issues on their little unit.
I DON'T like the size of the Oneida unit on my CT36 - it makes it HUGE! But it works really, really well.
So - just wondering how the bag keeps from getting sucked in.

Thanks!

Offline jobsworth

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2019, 10:18 AM »
I don’t use the bag. It’s not necessary to use for the unit to properly work. I just use the bin and empty when full

Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2019, 02:49 PM »
A question on the issue of the bag getting sucked up - is that an issue with these? I have an Oneida Dust Deputy on my CT36, and it has a small air hose going into the top bin and attaches to the vacuum hose below - all for the express purpose of keeping the bags from getting sucked in. There is also a filter on the inlet in the bin. Genius solution... I was wondering how Festool dealt with the suction/bag issues on their little unit.
I DON'T like the size of the Oneida unit on my CT36 - it makes it HUGE! But it works really, really well.
So - just wondering how the bag keeps from getting sucked in.

Thanks!

Hi
If the bag is not tucked into the corners of the container it can sometimes be shifter by the cyclone effect. Once the bag has some waste in it then all is good.
It’s cool to see the different layers building up as well like Ron says
Rg
Phil
Festool UK

Offline morts10n

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2019, 03:06 PM »
I suppose if you fill the bag about half or 3/4 full with dust before you start, you could eliminate the bag suction issue [big grin]

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2019, 04:46 PM »
Yeah but I've found if you run the vacuum without new material coming in (in between operations), the vacuum starts emptying the cyclon bag/bucket.  I'm now trying a go with it bagless to see how it goes. Not what I wanted to do, but since the cyclone would continualy un-do it's own good I have to try something.

Offline The Wizard

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2019, 03:27 PM »
@The Wizard

Mine even w/o the upgrade works great.

So I wouldnt let not having the upgrade stop you from buying it if you need it. It sort of cool watching that dust fly around the bit while Im sanding et

Well, I took delivery of the CT VA 20 and can clearly see why Festool created the upgrade kit. If you look at the tool wrong, the black circular top piece moves out of alignment. Ok, I'm exaggerating, but the slightest little bump or jiggle, and things shift and fall out of place.  Even worse, the black suction tube that goes from the outside of the case to the center of the black cyclone circular thing wobbles and doesn't sit snug in its home. This tube should have snaps to keep it secure. Same with the lid.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2019, 12:27 AM »
Any updates on this kit for the US, and or if you buy a CT VA 20 now will it come with the kit applied.  Be nice to know if there is a different PN, the festool website shows it with the straps now, but has the old PN.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2019, 06:29 AM »
Something to keep the bag stuck to the floor would be good too. I've poked mine down best I can and now end up weighing it down with a few scraps... possibly to no effect but it stops the bag getting sucked up.

You could try adding a equalizing line like that used on the Ultimate Dust Deputy. Just a piece of nylon tubing that pulls a vacuum on the space between the outside of the bag and the inside of the container. You can see it in the photos on their website.
https://www.oneida-air.com/ultimate-dust-deputy-cyclone-kit-festool-vacs
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Offline _Ben_

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Re: CT VA 20 Upgrade kit 269792
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2019, 07:25 AM »
I finally got around to fitting this. I would obviously have preferred it if Festool had provided it to me free of charge, but I guess the £24 I paid is a drop in the ocean compared to the £5k+ I've spent with them in the last 6-12 months.

My personal advice to anyone fitting it is to disassemble the original black handle before trying to remove it from the Systainer top. Itself is only two plastic parts with a spring in the middle, and clips back together very easily.

The reason for this is that it allows you better access to the ramped profile on the pivot and reduces the stress on the plastic systainer tabs when removing.