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Offline T. Ernsberger

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Domino 500 or 700
« on: March 07, 2015, 06:12 PM »
Im going to buy a domino before the price goes up in April.   So heres my question, Ive seen that Seneca Woodworking has a bit adapter that you can use 500 bits in the 700.   Does this completly replace the need for the 500.   If I can buy a Joint that does everything  that would be awesome.  I do everything from building cabinets, exterior doors and architectural brackets.   So I could really use both the 500 and 700 and only have the money for one.   Thats why I was thinking about getting the 700 with the adapter.    Any thoughts,  and or does anyone have this setup.   Thanks

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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2015, 06:33 PM »
I've got both Dominos and the Seneca adaptor. From the three applications you cited, I'd choose the 700.
Birdhunter

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2015, 11:11 PM »
Is the 700 with the adapter too big for smaller projects?   
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I've got both Dominos and the Seneca adaptor. From the three applications you cited, I'd choose the 700.
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Offline gary in texas

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2015, 11:50 PM »
Tyler, there have been many threads on the FOG I've read in the past months with users asking this same question.  Many have opted to go the 700 route and purchase the Seneca adapter.  Based on what you describe, I will also suggest the 700, as it can handle the larger projects.  Others can chime in with their experience with using the adapter.

Offline Paul G

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2015, 01:54 AM »
I'd get the XL and adapter for now and get the 500 later if the need arises. I went the other route and the 500 is great at what it does and now am facing a few projects that would benefit from the XL and the 500 just ain't gonna cut it. Unfortunately when I was buying, the adapter was brand new and unproven and my needs at the time were in the realm of the 500. Today I'd start with the XL.
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Offline Ed Bray

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2015, 06:06 AM »
I had a DF500 and bought the additional set of cutters/dominos for the 500, I later bought a DF700XL and both sets of dominos and cutters, I much prefer the ergonomics of the 700 so I bought a Seneca adapter, kept the 4mm, 5mm & 6mm bits from the 500's Domino set and sold the 500 with a 5mm, 8mm and 10mm cutter.

My only regret is I bought the DF500 in the first place, as the Df700XL and Seneca adapter do all that I want and if I had bought that 1st I would have saved a bit of money. I never used the extra wide slot that the DF500 gave you and with a bit of practise you can do that anyway with a DF700 using the 'click stops'

Personally I think if you need the larger tenons at all, then go with the DF700, Seneca Adapter and all three Domino Systainers, if you find you would prefer to add the DF500 in the future all it will have cost you is the price/delivery of the Seneca Adapter.

Offline roblg3

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2015, 08:20 AM »
the 700 is a little difficult using thin 1/2" stock.  seneca makes a shim to use for 1/2" as well.  i got both 3/4 &1/2" shims.  the 3/4 shim isn't worth the effort IMO.  I have had no other issues having only the 700.  If you do indeed make a lot of projects over 1 " thick and have a need for longer dominos there's no question the 700 is the way to go.  If all you ever did was cabinetry then the 500 is the choice,  The seneca adaptor is the proper length to use all the smaller cutters.  The bits only need to be slightly tight as the action of the tool self tightens them.  I always hold the adaptor with a wrench and another wrench on the bit when changing the cutters to keep unneeded tension off the shaft on the XL.  A word about the shims...you can not use the trim stop at the same time which is disappointing.  The shims are clunky to place and remove from the domino.  The same thing can be achieved with any known thickness piece of material, say a piece of actual thickness 1/4" that is flat.  All that being said, I prefer the xl in general
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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2015, 08:31 AM »
You asked if the 700 was too big for small projects.

I build a lot of small items (trays, boxes, etc) using exotic woods and the 500 is ideal for that work. I guess I could make the 700 work using the Seneca adaptor, but its size makes it the 2nd choice to the 500. If Festool made a Domino 300, I'd buy one for the real small stuff I like to do.

If my main projects were cabinets, exterior doors and architectural brackets as you state, I would go with the 700. I've built cabinets with the 500, but I would question building doors, architectural brackets, and load bearing structures with the tenons the 500 can handle.

It is a real pleasure to have both Dominos and I've had projects where I have had both machines in use. But, if I was doing the work you described, I'd go with the 700. It is a wonderful tool.
Birdhunter

Offline jbasen

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2015, 10:09 AM »
I am in the same boat.  As a hobbyist I couldn't justify buying 2 Dominos so I just bought the 700 with the Seneca bit adapter and the Seneca shims.  I haven't had a project yet to try it with 1/2" stock but I haven't had any issues working with 3/4" stock.  While the Seneca shims are pricy for what you get, some sort of shim adapter is required when working with 1/2" or 3/4" inch work pieces because the fence on the 700 isn't designed to adjust close enough to the cutter to center the mortice on these thinner pieces of wood.  The Seneca shims solve this issue.

For me, the combination of the 700 with the Seneca parts has worked out great.

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2015, 10:27 AM »
My potential Domino work load Consists of
70% Cabinets/interior trim
5% Brackets
5% Exterior Storm/Screen Doors
5% Gates and Out Door Structures
5% Pictures Frames and Misc Woodworking

So a little bit about me.   Im 30 years old.   Im a carpenter in my familys business.   We do everything from new construction, remodels and additions.   So being a small company I do everything from framing, demo, custom cabinets, interior tirm and everthing else with home construction.  We do a lot of high end work and get to work on a lot of cool projects and materials.  I do a lot of side work doing cabinets and custom woodworking.   I got into Festool products in the last year and have been very pleased. I currently own a sys-light, t15 set, ro150, and a ct midi.


So the magority of my work using the domino would be cabinets and interior trim I feel like the df500 would be the best for that application.    But I do have a need for a larger tenons.  I average about 1-2 storm/screen doors a year.   Normal I take my Porter Cable Lock Mortiser and make mortises in the rail and cope and make a tenon.  Although this works Its very time consuming.    And Im sorry about beating the horse, I'm just not sure what jointer will suit my needs.   Thats why I include a little about myself.    I thought I was going to get the df500 but, I discovered  the Seneca adaptor And thought with this adapter I could get both the df500 and the df700 in one model.   Im not worried about the extra weight, Im 6'5 and 250 So I can handle the weight.  My concern is that if I get the dft700 with the senca adapter and df500 tenon systainer, that the 700 will be big and akward for cabinet work and trim.   I dont think that theres a bad choice either way.   I havrnt heard one bad thing about either one.  I wish I could afford both, but for now I can only get one.  Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it!!!!

Offline Doug S

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2015, 06:31 PM »
I have both 500 and 700 so can't comment on the adapters but will say I find the 500 seems quicker to use because with the 500 I tend to hold the work piece but with the 700 I normally clamp it to bench.

Doug

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2015, 07:36 PM »
I went out today a bought the df500, being that the majority of my work doesnt require a big tenon.  I went to Woodcraft today here in Charlotte and looked at both models.   BTW Charlotte Woodcraft as a great selection of Festool,  I have been to many stores and Woodcrafts and they have the best selection.  Thanks for all the help!!!!   Now all I need is the domiplate.   

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2015, 08:05 PM »
I hope you bought the accessory kit with all the cutter sizes and the tenon assortment. It is a great value.

Now that the decision is behind you, I suggest you watch the Halfinchshy YouTube videos. He has lots of tricks that really enhance the Domino's use and an easy way to calibrate the tool.

Practicing on scrap is a good idea. There is a bit of technique to getting the most out of the tool.
Birdhunter

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2015, 10:06 PM »
I hope you bought the accessory kit with all the cutter sizes and the tenon assortment. It is a great value.

Now that the decision is behind you, I suggest you watch the Halfinchshy YouTube videos. He has lots of tricks that really enhance the Domino's use and an easy way to calibrate the tool.

Practicing on scrap is a good idea. There is a bit of technique to getting the most out of the tool.


Thanks.  I will definitely watch the vidoes.   I did buy the accessory kit.  Your right its a great deal.   I add some sipo dominos for exterior applications.    Once again Thanks eveveryone for the help!!!

Offline Clweed

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2015, 06:28 AM »
I would buy the XL in the classifieds If I didn't already own the 500 

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2015, 06:41 AM »
There are a number of threads on glues to use with Sipo, oily woods, and outdoor use.

For an Ipe outdoor bench project, I tried both TiteBond III and a two-part epoxy my local woodworking  store recommended. I found it important to clean the mortise with alcohol just prior to glueing in the tenon regardless of the glue type used. I ended up using the epoxy.

Because the benches were to be outside for many years and I wanted them to never come apart, I pinned each tenon with a small screw from the unseen bottom of the bench seat.
Birdhunter

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2015, 07:51 AM »
I would buy the XL in the classifieds If I didn't already own the 500


I did call Ed and he is a really cool guy.   I talked with him for about 30 minutes.    The one negative about the 700 for me is that I would have to get a shim for the fence for 3/4.   Being I work with 3/4 the most, I didnt want to have to deal with the shim.  Being that im doing this for work and not a hobby I do t have time to take a plate on and off.  I decide that if need make a bigger tenon i can use my jig that i already own or if theres a call for a lot of big tenons re look at getting the 700 to go with my 500.

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2015, 07:57 AM »
The only thing I dont like about the 500 is that I bought it in a set.   I feel like the parts that make it set are dumb.   Anyone really use these parts?

Offline Clweed

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2015, 08:08 AM »
The only thing I dont like about the 500 is that I bought it in a set.   I feel like the parts that make it set are dumb.   Anyone really use these parts?

The guide from RTS Engineering is much better than the stock one

Offline snodgrass23

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Re: Domino 500 or 700
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2015, 08:50 AM »
I went out today a bought the df500, being that the majority of my work doesnt require a big tenon.  I went to Woodcraft today here in Charlotte and looked at both models.   BTW Charlotte Woodcraft as a great selection of Festool,  I have been to many stores and Woodcrafts and they have the best selection.  Thanks for all the help!!!!   Now all I need is the domiplate.   

I had pretty much the same thought process since i also work mostly with 3/4 material so I ended up with a 500 and a domiplate. I'm also near Charlotte and have been to that Woodcraft many times. The one thing I've wondered about with using the 700 is the larger size. It feels much larger and more unwieldy when I've looked at it in the store. I guess if you usually used it in a position where it was sitting on the fence and you just plunged it down, it would be fine. But, I use my 500 in all kinds of odd positions (usually because of my own poor planning).