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Offline fritter63

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Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« on: February 04, 2017, 10:35 PM »
Starting to think about replacing my old Bosch chop saw and delta stand with a kaypro. I though the Ug cart and extensions were pretty cool, but now I've seen vids for the Fastcap "best fence pro" system. Curious to hear opinions on that and any real world experience with it?

For me, it'll just be used in my shop and want the ability to move it out of the way easily, or extend the infeed support occasionally.

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2017, 11:32 PM »
I have the UG and like it, but if I didn't I would look at the PortAMate version. Looks pretty cool

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2017, 09:26 AM »
If I were just going to have the Kapex in the shop, I personally would not have gotten the UG cart and extensions.  Where it really excels is site work, because it gives you easy portability and quick setup, along with stopped/repeat cut capabilities on both sides of the  blade.  The extensions can also be used on the MFT.

The UG setup is great, but it does have one major drawback, which is the narrowness of the extensions.  If you are cutting long, wide boards this can create issues with board movement/stability.  People sometimes also complain about how "rickety" the cart is.  I've never found this to create problems with the cut,  but there is a wobble in the cart when you engage the saw.   
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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2017, 07:40 AM »
I like the UG cart for my shop use because it doesn't take up a lot of space and can be taken down and moved out of the way should I ever want to let my wife park in the garage again (lol).  What I dislike is how short the wings are.  I'd really like to have stops out at ~8 feet on either side.  If I had the space to dedicate to it, I'd make a built-in bench with something like the fastcap system. 


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Offline RobNJ

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2017, 07:47 AM »
For my Kapex, I bought the MFT Kapex table and then got the Kapex package for the best fence (I didn't need the cart for accessibility).  The Best Fence system is pretty awesome.  Cuts are repeatable and the wings are beefy.  My only complaint is that if you don't buy their cart, the support for the wings are based on their 3rd hand product with the tripod.  This may be convenient in the field, but it takes up a lot of space in the shop and easily moves out of place.  My new plan is to build movable storage units underneath the wings and then use the Best Fence bench mount system.

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2017, 08:55 AM »
@fritter63

There was another poster here a while back that spoke highly of the Delta stand for his Kapex; I followed his lead & got one for mine.  Even though mine is now "permanently" situated along a wall in my workshop, it's still on the Delta stand.  Additionally, got the FastCap Best Fence for the Kapex + 2 Precision Micro Block adjusters.  The way it's set up now performs as well as the Biesemeyer system.

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2017, 08:59 AM »
I have the Kapex MFT with the Fastcap system. I like it, really easy to use zeroed fence. Solid build and comes in a big bag that holds everything for on the move. My biggest grip with it is it is really easy to knock it out of square once you it set up as the rails slide onto small plastic tongues attached to extension wings of the Kapex, then the stands are out towards the ends. If there was a more solid way of attaching the wings to the Kapex I think this might fix the issue however the Fastcap is solidly built and I use it indoors mostly so the above issue is not a problem too often unless I bump it or something. Hope this helps, I do love the set up just that one issue in my opinion.
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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2017, 12:02 PM »
@ChrisK1970

Yup, I hear you on knocking the fence out of alignment.  Attached are photos of how I approached solving the problem by using the expanding/collapsible supports on the Delta, the "jacks" which came with the FastCap, and firmly securing the Precision Micro Block Adjusters to work tables which are secured to the back wall.  Probably overkill, but it remains stable, and works for me.

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Offline kevinculle

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2017, 12:50 PM »
I'd really like to have stops out at ~8 feet on either side.

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94.5" is pretty close to 8'.

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2017, 03:20 PM »
@ChrisK1970

Yup, I hear you on knocking the fence out of alignment.  Attached are photos of how I approached solving the problem by using the expanding/collapsible supports on the Delta, the "jacks" which came with the FastCap, and firmly securing the Precision Micro Block Adjusters to work tables which are secured to the back wall.  Probably overkill, but it remains stable, and works for me.

DrD

@DrD I had no idea those even existed. Awesome! I just googled them for the Best Fence system and saw Rockler sells them. That will take care of my issues post haste!
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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2017, 03:30 PM »
@ChrisK1970

And if you log onto the FastCap website he has 4 or 5 short/informative videos on using the micro adjusters.

Best Wishes

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2017, 03:47 PM »
Thanks man!
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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2017, 07:35 PM »
I have the Kapex MFT with the Fastcap system. I like it, really easy to use zeroed fence. Solid build and comes in a big bag that holds everything for on the move. My biggest grip with it is it is really easy to knock it out of square once you it set up as the rails slide onto small plastic tongues attached to extension wings of the Kapex, then the stands are out towards the ends. If there was a more solid way of attaching the wings to the Kapex I think this might fix the issue however the Fastcap is solidly built and I use it indoors mostly so the above issue is not a problem too often unless I bump it or something. Hope this helps, I do love the set up just that one issue in my opinion.
This may help
http://www.multiblades.com/kapexsawhelperbracket.html
Plus you get the ability to use a clamp/crown stop in the t-track.
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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2017, 07:59 PM »
I can only speak to the UG cart.  I am a finish carpenter working mainly on new construction when I'm mobile and furniture at my home shop.  I have two Kapex saws and one of them is on a version of the Paulk miter saw stand.  I love the stability and generous amount of work and storage area.  I purchased the UG for the second saw to be a bit more mobile to move from room to room if needed.  I found it to be adequate for material under 8 feet long but I typically cut 16 foot long material.   I found the cart to be too unstable and robust enough to carry the weight of a 16 long piece of trim extended on one side of the blade.  The UG was more mobile but the negatives outweighed the positive in my situation.   The UG definitely would not fit the bill in my home shop for heavier, thicker hardwoods.  I mailed it back before the 30 day trial was up.  Just my experience.
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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2017, 08:48 PM »
@fritter63

There was another poster here a while back that spoke highly of the Delta stand for his Kapex; I followed his lead & got one for mine.  Even though mine is now "permanently" situated along a wall in my workshop, it's still on the Delta stand.  Additionally, got the FastCap Best Fence for the Kapex + 2 Precision Micro Block adjusters.  The way it's set up now performs as well as the Biesemeyer system.

DrD

I actually have a 10 year old Delta stand under my Bosch 12" saw right now. I absolutely hate it. The release mechanism has been broken for years (always to busy to try and fix it). SO can't scissor it anymore. I hate trying to adjust the side supports (both in an out and up and down). So that's why I'm thinking of better upgrades to it now.

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2017, 08:48 PM »
I can only speak to the UG cart.  I am a finish carpenter working mainly on new construction when I'm mobile and furniture at my home shop.  I have two Kapex saws and one of them is on a version of the Paulk miter saw stand.  I love the stability and generous amount of work and storage area.  I purchased the UG for the second saw to be a bit more mobile to move from room to room if needed.  I found it to be adequate for material under 8 feet long but I typically cut 16 foot long material.   I found the cart to be too unstable and robust enough to carry the weight of a 16 long piece of trim extended on one side of the blade.  The UG was more mobile but the negatives outweighed the positive in my situation.   The UG definitely would not fit the bill in my home shop for heavier, thicker hardwoods.  I mailed it back before the 30 day trial was up.  Just my experience.

I had forgotten about Ron's design, will have to check it out again.

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2017, 08:34 AM »
I own the fast cap. My site saw lives on it.

First its heavy as all get out. Like a tank heavy, its also really really big!

Second the adjuter blocks are plastic and in my experience prone to racking and like another poster said loosing adjustment if bumped. I purchased the stand to work with 18' lengths of cellular pvc by myself. When working with such lenghts of anything inevitably something is going to get bumped.

Im kinda torn on the cart. I loath lugging it around even if it will live where i set it up for many weeks. I also hate storring it. I hate the cheap platic adjusters, they should be metal without question. Especialy at the price it feels like the thing is a cheap gimic scam type tool without them.

On the other hand once setup and dialed in it is very nice to have a flat and "large" miter station on sight.


 
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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2017, 02:28 PM »
I think in a shop it is good to incorporate some storage if possible. Here are a few pics of  a miter station we built for a customer that is on casters has drop stops out to over 8' both sides and folds down to under 8'

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Offline Ross 71

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2017, 12:10 PM »
I have the UG cart and  outriggers, and it is brilliant, and I think worth every penny. It is easy to move, set up, take down, and operate. It works well on site, and in a somewhat overcrowded workshop it stores out of the way easily when I need the space.

Everyone says that the outriggers look unstable, but once they use it they change their mind. The single support leg is easy to set level, whereas a two leg support would try to twist the table/fence part of the extension unless they were levelled exactly the same as the cart. It is plenty stable enough for cutting 2x8 dungwalling, 6.1 meters long, I just put a stack of systainers to support a long overhanging plank when I'm squaring the factory ends. 

There are other other systems, they may also be brilliant, I don't know. I just know that the UG beats any temporary set up I've ever used, and is at least as good as any built in set up too.

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2017, 06:32 PM »
This may or may not apply to you, but the bed height of the Kapex on either a UG cart or an MFT/3 MINI/Kapex matches up with the MFT/3.   It's also the same height as a sys1.   

That Dave Reinhold guy that used to do all of the Toolnut/Festool videos built a third option.  Check it out:




Offline John1102

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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2019, 08:00 PM »
Great folding extension wing, nice and compact.

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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2019, 01:28 AM »
I just built a ~16 foot long miter saw station with storage underneath.  I started out with extrusions from Misumi Engineering for fences.  I considered the "Best Fence", but decided to go with something a bit cheaper.  But now, I'm rethinking things. The only reason I wanted the fence was to used stops for repeatable length cuts. With the new material stops from TSO, I think I might decide to convert the miter saw station and go fence-less.
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Re: Fastcap "Best fence pro" vs Festool UG cart?
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2019, 04:02 PM »
I recently bought a Kapex 120 with the UG cart and extensions, I love the saw and the UG set up.
It is great for site work as it erects and takes down very quickly. I could also see that it would benefit somebody with a small workshop, as it can pack away quickly making room for other jobs and tools.
Before I bought mine, I thought it looked flimsy but, it isn’t at all.
I would, depending on somebody’s needs, thoroughly recommend the UG cart and extensions.

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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2019, 10:18 AM »
I'd like to see the 7-1/4 Milwaukee 18v saw paired with the UG stand.  That would be the ultimate fast and light setup for the small jobs that I tend to focus on. 

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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2019, 05:42 PM »
I'd like to see the 7-1/4 Milwaukee 18v saw paired with the UG stand.  That would be the ultimate fast and light setup for the small jobs that I tend to focus on. 

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For those sort of jobs, I use the Makita 36 volt brushless saw, and Makita stand with extending supports. Very easy to transport and quick to set up. I use a cordless extractor with it sometimes too.

Kapex and UG cart and extensions, is for our bigger jobs.