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Offline Euclid

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2018, 11:55 AM »
I’ve been waiting for this too…

Regarding the delay, my understanding is that UJK (or Axminster - not entirely sure on how they are connected) was not satisfied with the quality of one component - the shaft I think it was (presumably that’s the bit with the Centrotec compatible hex).

For me, a plain hex drive would work just as well - if you are using a Festool drill (or other with interchangeable chucks) it’s just as easy to leave the Jacobs chuck attached to the stand and remove the drill (between drillings if necessary) than to disconnect via the chuck.

The ability to attach a Centrotec chuck to the bottom might be more useful; although the bit would need to engage in a hex hole in the shaft - and that might make it too much a Festool-focused product.

Does anyone have experience of this (more economical) version?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dakota-Precision-Drill-Guide/dp/B01F758N0G
a little similar to the Japanese item mentioned previously - though made largely, I believe, from injection-moulded plastics and with a smaller, 3/8” chuck. (And it’s cheaper than Amazon when bought direct from Rutlands’ own site - thought it might be worth a go.)

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Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2018, 12:03 PM »
YES, AXMINSTER is bringing the Drill Jig back in a refined version. As soon as we have an availability date we will notify everyone via our TSO INSIDER newsletter and all who signed up for notification on our product page.
here's the link for the sign up:
https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

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Offline JamesUK

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2018, 01:33 PM »
Hi all,

First post here. Just thought I should post that I've had the Kanzawa drill guide from Japan for a couple of years (just the regular one, not the one with the adjustable angle).  In terms of the materials used, it's well constructed and better than some of the inexpensive ones I have seen. The chuck seems to be good quality.  However, I've always been a little disappointed with the small amount of play between the guide rods and the slider.

This was my first drill guide so maybe my expectations were unrealistic to imagine that I could centre the bit above a marked point, clamp the drill stand, raise the drill then lower it and hit exactly that same point? There's a good few mm of play. It's still been useful in helping my alignment and I was able to improve things somewhat by using a strip of tape on each guide rod.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the UJK one - it seems they have added some grub screws to allow the user to take out the play - if there is any.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 01:37 PM by JamesUK »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2018, 03:54 PM »
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the UJK one - it seems they have added some grub screws to allow the user to take out the play - if there is any.

Yup, 1 on the front of the yoke and 2 on each side of the yoke for each rod. They’re 5mm.

Offline Svar

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2018, 04:03 PM »
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the UJK one - it seems they have added some grub screws to allow the user to take out the play - if there is any.
Yup, 1 on the front of the yoke and 2 on each side of the yoke for each rod. They’re 5mm.
Not a good way to take out play. Grab screws will plow groves in the rods. Better use setup similar to split collar clamp. Or use brass grab screws.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2018, 04:20 PM »
Not a good way to take out play. Grab screws will plow groves in the rods. Better use setup similar to split collar clamp. Or use brass grab screws.

The grub screws are actually nylon with steel lock nuts. Here’s a photo.

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« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 09:47 AM by Cheese »

Offline Svar

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2018, 04:35 PM »
Not a good way to take out play. Grab screws will plow groves in the rods. Better use setup similar to split collar clamp. Or use brass grab screws.
The grub screws are actually nylon with steel lock nuts. Here’s a photo.
OK, that will work. Are those original from UJK model stand?

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2018, 04:49 PM »
OK, that will work. Are those original from UJK model stand?

Yes they are Svar.

Offline skinee

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2018, 07:32 PM »
YES, AXMINSTER is bringing the Drill Jig back in a refined version. As soon as we have an availability date we will notify everyone via our TSO INSIDER newsletter and all who signed up for notification on our product page.
here's the link for the sign up:
https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

Hans

hopefully the refined version will include a flat base,mine was not flat and rocked like a boat(sent it back),i recommend checking before putting these on sale.would really have liked to seen a quick on/off chuck preferably centrotec,perhaps there is an opportunity to manufacture a suitable accessory @TSO_Products

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #69 on: April 16, 2018, 09:53 PM »
@Euclid -  REPLY # 60:  Axminster Tool & Machinery is a company based in Axminster UK (where else) with considerable coverage via a string of well regarded brick-and-mortar stores throughout England. They sell a number of internationally known tool  brands as dealers, including TSO Products. Axminster earns kudos for excellent service from their international customers.
Axminster has also developed a growing line of its own products under its UJK Technology brand including  Peter Parfitt’s Parf Guide System, Super Parf Dog, Chamfer Tool, Long Super Parf Dog and those nifty Dog Rail Clips. All stocked in depth at TSO Products here in the USA.
@TinyShop – REPLY # 61: you and a host of other FOG readers have jumped on the UJK Drill Guide availability notification link we posted on this thread REPPLY # 59. We’re letting AXMINSTER know of the interest and the comments on this post.
@skinee – REPLY # 68: your comment about a “flat Base” is noted and will also be passed along to the UJK product  development team at AXMINSTER. We expect to see a refined product. From experience we know that always takes longer than one wishes.
All: we thank you for your continuing interest in this product and your patience while waiting for it.

Hans
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Offline Gregor

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2018, 04:35 AM »
YES, AXMINSTER is bringing the Drill Jig back in a refined version. As soon as we have an availability date we will notify everyone via our TSO INSIDER newsletter and all who signed up for notification on our product page.
here's the link for the sign up:
https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/
Add a dust hose holder (so this gets reasonable extraction without being in the way) and I might be interested.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 04:38 AM by Gregor »

Offline Euclid

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #71 on: April 24, 2018, 06:34 AM »
Does anyone have experience of this (more economical) version?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dakota-Precision-Drill-Guide/dp/B01F758N0G
a little similar to the Japanese item mentioned previously - though made largely, I believe, from injection-moulded plastics and with a smaller, 3/8” chuck.

If I may be excused responding to my own post…

I hadn’t realised that the item I was asking about there was - by all appearances - the same as the Garret Wade item referred to and pictured further back in this thread.

I’ve now got one and… well, for the relatively little money it cost it is quite nicely made and well finished, but there is a disconcerting amount of slop between the ‘chuck carriage’ and the rails. The tolerances are not super-fine, but much of this seems to be down to the lack of rigidity in the rails themselves or their mountings.

The situation could be improved a lot by a brace at the top of the rails, This could be a horseshoe shaped brace (to clear the body of the drill), similar in concept to those used on the suspension forks of mountain bikes. I might have a look at making something like that (and make a larger-area base too as others have mentioned - a small sheet of aluminium or acrylic might do the trick).

Still awaiting the UJK device with interest though…

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #72 on: April 24, 2018, 06:13 PM »
Reviews in English for the Wabeco drill stands are difficult to find. However, I just stumbled upon this one:



Here are the links to the English translations of the related blog posts that appear in the show notes:

The decision process that lead to choosing a drill stand (in place of a dedicated drill press) and building the DIY table: https://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://holzhandwerk.andreas-kalt.de/bohrtisch-wabeco-bohrstaender/&sl=auto&tl=en

User improvements to the Wabeco stand: https://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://holzhandwerk.andreas-kalt.de/verbesserungen-am-wabeco-bohrstaender/&sl=auto&tl=en

Links to the originals in German: here & here

And, finally, a photo depiction of what I see as the major advantage of a drill stand over a stationary drill press (in a Sortainer but I trust that you get the idea):





 
« Last Edit: April 24, 2018, 07:22 PM by TinyShop »
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Offline oradba69

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #73 on: June 13, 2019, 02:06 AM »
@Euclid -  REPLY # 60:  Axminster Tool & Machinery is a company based in Axminster UK (where else) with considerable coverage via a string of well regarded brick-and-mortar stores throughout England. They sell a number of internationally known tool  brands as dealers, including TSO Products. Axminster earns kudos for excellent service from their international customers.
Axminster has also developed a growing line of its own products under its UJK Technology brand including  Peter Parfitt’s Parf Guide System, Super Parf Dog, Chamfer Tool, Long Super Parf Dog and those nifty Dog Rail Clips. All stocked in depth at TSO Products here in the USA.
@TinyShop – REPLY # 61: you and a host of other FOG readers have jumped on the UJK Drill Guide availability notification link we posted on this thread REPPLY # 59. We’re letting AXMINSTER know of the interest and the comments on this post.
@skinee – REPLY # 68: your comment about a “flat Base” is noted and will also be passed along to the UJK product  development team at AXMINSTER. We expect to see a refined product. From experience we know that always takes longer than one wishes.
All: we thank you for your continuing interest in this product and your patience while waiting for it.

Hans

Any feedback on the availibility of this?

Offline MikeGE

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2019, 04:58 AM »

And, finally, a photo depiction of what I see as the major advantage of a drill stand over a stationary drill press (in a Sortainer but I trust that you get the idea):
The Wabeco B1230 that TinyShop included is (was) mine.  I bought the B1230 after spending hundreds of dollars and Euros trying to find a portable drill stand that was durable, accurate, and could be easily transported.  At the time, I installed special locks in doors and containers on military facilities and needed a drill press for some of the custom brackets I had to make during the installation. 

The B1230 was the only portable stand that worked for me, and it quickly replaced an inexpensive, but heavy, table-top drill press I carried.  Since I always had a corded drill with the 43mm collar, the B1230 was the perfect solution.  Unlike the other stands I tried, the B1230 didn't wobble during drilling and the rack and pinion movement was smooth with no noticeable gear lash.

I cut about 30mm from the end of the shaft so it would fit diagonally in the Sortimo L-Boxx.  The rest of the pieces fit well and the final Sortimo case was much easier to carry than the small drill press.  If I was going to make another portable drill stand kit, I would use the B1230, but would buy the Kaizen inserts for the L-Boxx from Brian Way and not bother with the Sotimo inserts.

I used a switched power strip to control power to the drill and a Bessey clamp to hold the trigger on the drill at the correct speed.  I also bought the optional tap handle and fixture for accurate taping of the holes after I drilled the brackets or mounting plates.

Here are more pictures of the B1230:







I didn't take any pictures with the drill installed, but any drill with a 43mm accessory collar will fit this stand.




This shows the optional tap handle.  The tap shaft slides easily in the aluminum bushing and makes it easy to tap the steel or aluminum plates I used.

« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 07:44 AM by MikeGE »

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2019, 06:06 AM »
"Any feedback on the availibility of this?"

I am also interested in the status of the UJK drill guide.

And I agree that a dust collection option would be good to add to the basic kit.

Dust collection is almost a requirement in many situations now-a-days, not an
afterthought, so to me dust collection should not be an accessory but something
that is included with the basic tool.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 06:09 AM by Bob D. »
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Offline Svar

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2019, 12:45 PM »
I used a switched power strip to control power to the drill and a Bessey clamp to hold the trigger on the drill at the correct speed. 
Get Metabo SBE1010 drill (now discontinued) or equivalent (Metabo SBE 1100, Bosch GSB 21-2 RCT). It has speed control dial, trigger lock and constant speed electronics. It will maintain steady speed under load anywhere between about 50 and 2600 rpm. I have it in Proxxon BFB2000 drill/mill stand, and it's awesome.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 05:04 PM by Svar »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2019, 04:06 PM »
Makita HP2050 also has the speed control dial on the trigger and can subsequently be locked, and isn’t yet discontinued. However, I wrote Makita USA to ask the diameter of the collar (I mentioned I needed 43mm) and they replied that it is 1-3/4”. Asked if they could measure with a metric caliper and they said they don’t have one.

The Bosch seems to be only 240v?

I’ve been using a Metabo that doesn’t have a speed control dial and it’s too awkward. Considering the Makita or just using an external router speed control.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 04:18 PM by Michael Kellough »

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2019, 04:39 PM »
Makita HP2050 also has the speed control dial on the trigger and can subsequently be locked, and isn’t yet discontinued. However, I wrote Makita USA to ask the diameter of the collar (I mentioned I needed 43mm) and they replied that it is 1-3/4”. Asked if they could measure with a metric caliper and they said they don’t have one.

The Bosch seems to be only 240v?

I’ve been using a Metabo that doesn’t have a speed control dial and it’s too awkward. Considering the Makita or just using an external router speed control.

The Bosch HD21-2 looks to be more or less equivalent to the GSB 21-2 RCT for the U.S. market
HD21-2

Offline Svar

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2019, 04:49 PM »
Makita HP2050 also has the speed control dial on the trigger
But it's not EVS.
Considering the Makita or just using an external router speed control.
External speed control does not maintain it under load. There is no feedback to the controller. So, less than ideal solution.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 04:59 PM by Svar »

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2019, 04:53 PM »
The Bosch HD21-2 looks to be more or less equivalent to the GSB 21-2 RCT for the U.S. market
But no speed dial and EVS.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2019, 05:18 PM »
Makita HP2050 also has the speed control dial on the trigger
But it's not EVS.
Considering the Makita or just using an external router speed control.
External speed control does not maintain it under load. There is no feedback to the controller. So, less than ideal solution.

Good point!  I was working on a commercial operating a small turntable rig with a cordless drill. Worked fine until the battery died. Switched to a heavy duty Milwaukee 1/2” drill and the rpms varied wildly even though it was only a small constant load.

I think my old Metabo drill has evs. Guess I’ll have to make a screw adjustable collar rig for the trigger.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #82 on: July 03, 2019, 10:31 AM »
Metabo BEV 1300-2 has two geared speed ranges, a thumb controlled speed pre-selection wheel, and a trigger lock without the un-needed hammer drill function @115v. Seems to be the last of it’s kind available in NA.

The drill at Max Tool

The neck is 43mm to match most all good drill stands although at Metabo’s US web site they say the neck is 1-11/16” while the accessory drill stand they suggest on the same page has a 43mm collar.

« Last Edit: July 03, 2019, 10:35 AM by Michael Kellough »

Offline mhmcgrath

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #83 on: August 05, 2019, 04:01 PM »
Finally received my WABECO drill stand today for my Metabo drill. I got it set up, installed the tri-handle controls for the two axes and adjusted everything in about 30 minutes. I believe this is the stand I’ve been looking for! I’m selling my old drill press and this WABECO will do everything I need to do - both in the shop and on the job site. Shipping from Germany was expensive and slow but the packaging was perfect - no damage. 234 euros with shipping.


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Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #84 on: August 06, 2019, 12:10 PM »
Finally received my WABECO drill stand today for my Metabo drill.

Shipping from Germany was expensive and slow but the packaging was perfect - no damage. 234 euros with shipping.

Nice stuff... [smile]...pretty sweet for outside projects where you're just looking for some vertical holes. Pricing seems pretty reasonable considering it probably weighs at least 30#.

Offline mhmcgrath

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #85 on: August 06, 2019, 06:24 PM »
Finally received my WABECO drill stand today for my Metabo drill.

Shipping from Germany was expensive and slow but the packaging was perfect - no damage. 234 euros with shipping.

Nice stuff... [smile]...pretty sweet for outside projects where you're just looking for some vertical holes. Pricing seems pretty reasonable considering it probably weighs at least 30#.
At least 30#! With the Z-axis control can do some deep drilling outboard of the stand - haven’t tested but probably upwards of 400mm - looking to drill 6x6s! Been playing with it in the shop and it is very accurate. Also, horizontal boring is feasible - which may come in handy.


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Offline obromis

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #86 on: August 11, 2019, 06:02 PM »
Never used one for real, but saw and fondled them when they were still in the store under the Protool name. They're built like a rock, very sturdy. But there's nothing small about them. They are very big. A lot bigger than most of these stands you're used to from other brands. These are meant to drill holes in large construction beams.

Offline mhmcgrath

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2019, 08:23 AM »
For me replaced a 200# drill press that was overkill for carpentry and woodwork and was anything but portable! Will fill the bill with accuracy, portability, and power. Plus, Metabo drill is on its own many times - versatility.

Offline ghjaxman

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2019, 09:13 AM »
I'm still waiting for Bridge City Tools to come out with the DJ-2 system again.  They were bought by Harvey tools and they are slowly bringing out most of the original line of tools.  Not a drill press, but lightweight and will fit in a systainer.  That should handle most of my drilling needs.  It's the tool I wish I had and I should have bought years ago but balked at the price.  Now I think the price is OK, for what it does.

Offline Spandex

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #89 on: September 30, 2019, 01:40 PM »
Looks like the UJK stand is finally back (well, sort of - not in stock at Axminster yet):

https://www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-drill-guide-with-10mm-chuck-106072