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Offline Mortiser

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Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« on: January 01, 2019, 06:17 PM »
I know this topic has had lots of coverage but I would like to ask these questions.
I’d really like to own a Kapex (I like its features) and update my original Hitachi Sliding Compound Mitre Saw. After reading many posts on FOG about Kapex issues, I’m nervous about the purchase.
Should I look toward something else like a Bosch Axial Glide?
If I decide to go the Kapex route, should I only pay full price for new with a 3-year warranty in light of the issues, or… would it be foolish to consider what appears to be a good used one at approximately a 33% lower price with no receipt and no warranty?
(I've seen the posts about fixing an armature issue and I could handle that myself if necessary.)
Looking for advice from those who have travelled this road.
Rich

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Offline Cheese

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2019, 06:29 PM »
I’d keep my eyes open for a recon Kapex from Festool. They come up a lot. I know this fall Festool was selling them for either 30% or 40% off. They also come with a 1 year warranty. There were a couple of them available right before the holidays.

Offline duburban

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2019, 07:30 PM »
Axial glide is great saw. I’m interested in new Makita.

Are you a professional? How do you reason $2k on questionable saw?
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Offline RKA

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2019, 08:25 PM »
Something else.

I like the saw and already own it and any problems that result.  But if I were buying today, I would not care to own a saw with a documented history of motor issues the manufacturer hasn’t acknowledged or addressed.  Maybe they have addressed it in the new version they are releasing across the pond later this year?

Fixing it yourself is fine, however, it may become a yearly exercise and you’re still paying top dollar for the saw compared to the alternatives.
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Offline harry_

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2019, 08:34 PM »
I have one I purchased new and one I purchased reconditioned. Both are used daily, professionally. I have not had any real issues with either. Only Festool knows the actual failure rate.

Do keep in mind that 1/3 off also buys you 1/3 the warranty.
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Offline kevinculle

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2019, 09:23 PM »
I bought a used Kapex with UG stand and extensions 3 years ago for $1600 USD.  In view of the motor issues that have arisen since I would expect to be able to find one used at a better price today.  I would not pay retail.

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2019, 06:09 AM »
There are many accounts both good and bad about the Kapex. I’ve owned my Kapex for many years with zero problems. I had another brand before and had to drag that saw outdoors due to poor dust collection. The Kapex appealed to me because of its dust collection and being able to back it up against a wall. Over time, its ease of use and high accuracy impressed me. I am a manual reader, careful user, and am consistent in cleaning my tools at the end of the day.

If I was whacking 2x4 boards all day on a job site, I’d probably not buy a Kapex. If precision and great dust collection are important, a Kapex is a good choice.
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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2019, 11:48 AM »
Thanks for the comments. It is a tough decision.
To @duburban 's and @kevinculle 's point, I think I can't bring myself to buying new. But like @harry_ and @RKA , I've read many posts from folks who very much like the saw and have had no real issues though they recognize the risks now. I really wish Festool would put this behind them. We'd all feel better about the tool and the company.
 
Like @Birdhunter, two of the features that attract me are proximity to the back wall and dust collection. This saw will be shop use about 90% of the time. I do hope I'd have better luck with it being in a controlled environment and I also think plugging it directly into a 20 amp circuit by itself, and not through the CT-26, may yield better motor life.

Good suggestion @Cheese about recon. I have not seen one on Recon but then I haven't been looking for it recently. I'll do that. I think you do still get the 3 year warranty, correct?

Thanks for the replies and your thoughts.
Rich

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2019, 11:59 AM »
Apart from its superiority in precision and dust collection, the Kapex has the best hold-down design that actually makes you use it. All other hold-downs are clumsy and inconvenient, leaving many people to use their bare hand to hold their work (some dangerously or unknowingly too close to the blade). I wish it came with a pair, not just one of the clamps.

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2019, 12:14 PM »
Good suggestion @Cheese about recon. I have not seen one on Recon but then I haven't been looking for it recently. I'll do that. I think you do still get the 3 year warranty, correct?

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2019, 12:36 PM »
I have had one since 2010 without any issues.  I certainly have read every single post about Kapex issues.  If mine was stolen I would buy another in a split second.  But then I don't believe in buying used or repaired tools and would opt for a new one with the three year piece of mind value factored in.

That is just me and being consistent with how I treat all my tool purchases no matter what the cost.

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2019, 12:43 PM »
I’m looking into a Kapex purchase myself.  Is there a new version coming out in the US?
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Offline jarbroen

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2019, 01:27 PM »
My vote would be purchase it new from a local authorized dealer. 
You get to try it out first.  You get a 3 year warranty.  And you get local help if you need it.

That being said, I think there is a possibility of any power tool going bad.  Might as well go for the one you really want.
The Kapex has so many features and benefits that are unique to the saw.  It's really a treat to use.  I see most of the Festool items I have as something that makes the work more enjoyable to do and the potential for accurate, repeatable results.

I also think that's a good plan to power it off it's own circuit.  At first, I ran mine through the CT26 for convenience.  Then I noticed the saw changes pitch when the vacuum is on.  The lower power could be causing some of the motor issues.
Now I have a BT remote(thanks wifey) and I run the Kapex on it's own circuit.  Now it makes the sound of plenty of power. :)

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2019, 01:43 PM »

Snip.

I also think that's a good plan to power it off it's own circuit. 

As of today, I have not come across a better solution than to use one of these with the Kapex, if the intention is to pair the tool and extractor: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=63013&cat=1,42401,72660

Auto dust collection and dual circuits (15 amp x 2) (the latter for the sake of peace of mind).
« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 02:02 PM by ChuckM »

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2019, 01:48 PM »
Regarding a new US model Kapex, I’m just a Festool customer, but what I have observed in the past is that new Festool products seem to appear in Europe about a year before they are offered in the US.
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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2019, 01:51 PM »
If I don’t power my Kapex through my Festool vac, how can I get the vac to come on when I start up the Kapex?
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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2019, 01:57 PM »
Snip.

But then I don't believe in buying used or repaired tools and would opt for a new one with the three year piece of mind value factored in.

That is just me and being consistent with how I treat all my tool purchases no matter what the cost.

Peter

For top-end (high-end, high cost?) and critical tools such as the tablesaw, domino joiner, etc. which will significantly affect the quality and results of my work, I only buy new, because I may not know if any cutting or performance issues were due to my skills or techniques or the machine if a second-hand machine was used. If my new Kapex is toasted, I know it is Festool's fault, not because of some pre-existing condition caused by the saw's previous owner.

This is also the same reason why I only buy brand new vehicles with full factory warranty. And every vehicle in my family is treated with care and regular maintenance (more or less in full compliance with what is given in the owner's manual).
« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 02:04 PM by ChuckM »

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2019, 02:00 PM »
If I don’t power my Kapex through my Festool vac, how can I get the vac to come on when I start up the Kapex?

Yes, such as using the iVac auto switch. The dust collector can be a dust extractor or a shop vac, which I use.

Offline Gregor

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2019, 03:50 PM »
Apart from its superiority in precision and dust collection, the Kapex has the best hold-down design that actually makes you use it. All other hold-downs are clumsy and inconvenient, leaving many people to use their bare hand to hold their work (some dangerously or unknowingly too close to the blade). I wish it came with a pair, not just one of the clamps.
You do not want to clamp both sides of a workpiece. Clamping on both sides can lead to the saw binding which, given its degrees of freedom and how you hold it, can cleanly break your hand/wrist/arm.

Seriously: never clamp on both sides of the blade.

While having two of the clamps might be handy (to having to transfer the included one over to the side you need it at) I understand why there is only one included - simply to keep people from using both at the same time.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2019, 06:12 PM »
My intention is to use one as a clamp for a stop block (swing arm type - source: popular woodworking, see image) and the other as a hold-down for the work at the same time. Right now, I have to use a F-clamp (usually on the right side of the blade) for the stop block.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2019, 06:17 PM by ChuckM »

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2019, 06:58 PM »
I was taking with a rep at my local festool dealer once day... He asked about my experience with the tools and what ones I might buy in the future. He asked if I might step up to a Kapex at some point.... I said when the issues are fixed.....

He was adamant that the "few" faulty saws are only a small percentage of total us sales and they always stand but the warranty... Many times over for some owners. An inconvenience for those of us who buy a tool to use it to make money, yes, for sure, but worth the extra price. Then he asked now I used my tools on the job. What sort of power did I have access to.... And stated that often they are finding the tools sent in for repair are getting to low a voltage or are being abused.

Now I don't know if that was the party line, or but covering. But three kapex owners present said that in daily usage over the past several years that never had an issue. And it certainly got me thinking about how I power my other tools on the job... How many miles of extension cord or distance from the panel is my outlet.   But definitely plug it into a CT, not some other device to turn on the extractor.... If any issue happen you want a clear festool provenance to the fault so the repair is on them, not you.
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Offline glass1

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2019, 07:03 PM »
If running the kapex thru your ct than to main power is causing them to burnout than a recall is in order. The of 2200 which draws up to(operating term here up to... 18 amps) is not burning out when run thru our CT’s is it ?  The kapex draws up to ....13 amps. I have yet to ever see a kapex and ct trip a 15 amp breaker if nothing else is on it, therefore it’s not drawing more than 15 amps, put it to bed people.  I am on job sites all day long. Even if you ran the kapex and ct on separate breakers who would stop other carpenters and trades from plugging into one of your 2 breakers ? Happens all day long. Can you imagine hogging two breakers on a site to run your kapex and ct.  ridiculous.  All this talk is ignorant chatter.
Personally I see most people cutting with their chop boxes before the blade is up to speed and rarely checking to see that the speed control is maxed out for wood. Also Festool makes 12 tooth blade for ts saws yet no 40 tooth blade for kapex for general work. I still feel that there is an abnormal burnout rate for the kapex but if it’s because of our power than it’s on Festool to design tools for our power grid.  Just my 2 cents. If your offended or cannot handle my opinion So be it. Cheers

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2019, 07:59 PM »
One thing I wondered, if you have a voltage drop, either from a long extension cord or long run to the panel or variations in what the power company delivers, does the Kapex motor draw higher amps to maintain its output?  If it does, how long would it take for a typical circuit breaker to trip?  10 seconds or more?  Even a cut across a 2x10 is completed in less than that.  So would the on/off nature of the tool and very limited peak load times explain why breakers aren’t tripping, but it’s still enough to do damage to the motor?
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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2019, 08:18 PM »
..... again if so.... than a recall is in order. 

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2019, 08:25 PM »
If running the kapex thru your ct than to main power is causing them to burnout than a recall is in order. The of 2200 which draws up to(operating term here up to... 18 amps) is not burning out when run thru our CT’s is it ?  The kapex draws up to ....13 amps. I have yet to ever see a kapex and ct trip a 15 amp breaker if nothing else is on it, therefore it’s not drawing more than 15 amps, put it to bed people.  I am on job sites all day long. Even if you ran the kapex and ct on separate breakers who would stop other carpenters and trades from plugging into one of your 2 breakers ? Happens all day long. Can you imagine hogging two breakers on a site to run your kapex and ct.  ridiculous.  All this talk is ignorant chatter.
Personally I see most people cutting with their chop boxes before the blade is up to speed and rarely checking to see that the speed control is maxed out for wood. Also Festool makes 12 tooth blade for ts saws yet no 40 tooth blade for kapex for general work. I still feel that there is an abnormal burnout rate for the kapex but if it’s because of our power than it’s on Festool to design tools for our power grid.  Just my 2 cents. If your offended or cannot handle my opinion So be it. Cheers

I'll agree with you, with a caveat. I will not allow another tradesperson, or even my own guy(s) to put an air compressor on the same circuit as me.  I don't run leaky hoses, so random compressor starts are all but non existent for me. I may have a dozen different things plugged into my circuit, but I can only run them one at a time (+the CT). Go ahead, run off my outlet. Hook into one of my splits. Just not a compressor.

There are always at least 3 separate outlets/circuits. If not, I am on the phone to sparky as that is part of the 'site conditions' and electrician's rough.
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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2019, 08:40 PM »
..... again if so.... than a recall is in order.

Not arguing the Festool has botched their response to this or could handle it differently.  Just asking if this could explain the issues and give users some control over the outcome.  I’m no electrician, EE or anything of the like.  I only know too many amps over too little wire = no bueno.
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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2019, 08:48 PM »
So... has anybody wondered why all these kapexes are burning up when plugged into the CT’s but the CT’s are not burning up ?  If there was not enough voltage should we not see lots of CT’s burning up too ? 

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2019, 08:55 PM »
So... has anybody wondered why all these kapexes are burning up when plugged into the CT’s but the CT’s are not burning up ?  If there was not enough voltage should we not see lots of CT’s burning up too ?

One would think so.

No variable speed/load control circuitry? or maybe it has something to do with the saw being more than just a little under powered?
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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2019, 11:50 AM »
My intention is to use one as a clamp for a stop block (swing arm type - source: popular woodworking, see image) and the other as a hold-down for the work at the same time. Right now, I have to use a F-clamp (usually on the right side of the blade) for the stop block.

That's exactly what I use the 2nd clamp for when cutting multiple pieces of the same length.

Per Farming_Sawer's observation, I've also talked with the local Festool rep and he's very aware of the Kapex issue and has been personally involved in several of them. He also said Festool corporate was involved in trying to find a solution but that was at least 4-5 years ago.  [sad]

Seems like a simple problem to solve...start with the motor!!! [dead horse] 

I'm very interested if the new REB Kapex arrives with a different armature and field coil.  [smile]


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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2019, 12:20 PM »
I've used the stop block technique, butt you have to let the blade come to a complete stop before lifting the head or you will get a major kick back.
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2019, 12:26 PM »
My understanding is that Cheese would remove the 1/4" spacer before he makes the cut, in which case the chance of kickback should be reduced if the blade is lifted before it coming to a complete stop. But lifting the blade while it is still spinning is not a good idea in any cuts, with or without the use of any type of stop block.

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2019, 03:54 PM »
A hard stop on the cut-off side is risky, especially if it fully matches the profile of the end of the cut-off. What I mean is the hard stop should only have a small area of contact with the end of the stock to allow the off-cut to wiggle someplace other than the side of the blade. And of course the blade should stop before withdrawing the saw.

On the table saw I often use a vacuum hose (regular CT or other) to pull small off-cuts away from the blade. Works best for small pieces when using the miter gauge but also works great to keep narrow strips from touching the back of the blade. The hose is attached to a wood block that has a Mag-Switch installed. I also use this setup to catch debris when trimming the edge of a board, although sometimes I just set a board (with magnets in the bottom) close to the blade.

Taking the above to the miter saw you could use a hollow extrusion as the stop. Add a connection for a vacuum hose (could be a Y with the miter saw collection since the stock should block air flow). Should keep the off-cut safely tight to the stop.

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2019, 09:43 AM »
My understanding is that Cheese would remove the 1/4" spacer before he makes the cut, in which case the chance of kickback should be reduced if the blade is lifted before it coming to a complete stop.

You're correct Chuck.  [big grin]  Sometimes it's a gauge block, sometimes it's another piece of wood. It's just important to allow some room between the off-cut and the hard stop. I like the gauge blocks because they're lightweight, small and I can just pop it in my shirt pocket or apron pocket. Also when using the gauge block as a spacer, I just make sure the writing faces towards me and then I know everything is good to go. When using a piece of wood it's easy to confuse the proper gauging surface.

This photo shows the gauge block removed right before I make the cut.





This photo is after the cut has been made. Just let the blade come to a stop and if the off-cut is heavy enough, it won't move more than .010"-.015" from the blade.



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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2019, 09:53 AM »
What a nice looking accessory fence!  I'm assuming you made that with 1/2" BB and a pattern bit on the router?

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2019, 10:02 AM »
@Cheese how is dust collection with such zero clearance fence?
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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2019, 10:08 AM »
@Cheese how is dust collection with such zero clearance fence?

I feel it's significantly better Mario than without the fence.  [smile]

I think I used 10mm ply so the Kapex clamps would still work. It's that fine line between something thick enough to not warp but something thin enough so you still have flexibility of where you can place the clamps.
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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2019, 10:10 AM »
@Cheese how is dust collection with such zero clearance fence?

I feel it's significantly better Mario than without the fence. I think I used 10mm ply so the Kapex clamps would still work.

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2019, 12:26 PM »
I was taking with a rep at my local festool dealer once day... He asked about my experience with the tools and what ones I might buy in the future. He asked if I might step up to a Kapex at some point.... I said when the issues are fixed.....

He was adamant that the "few" faulty saws are only a small percentage of total us sales and they always stand but the warranty... Many times over for some owners. An inconvenience for those of us who buy a tool to use it to make money, yes, for sure, but worth the extra price. Then he asked now I used my tools on the job. What sort of power did I have access to.... And stated that often they are finding the tools sent in for repair are getting to low a voltage or are being abused.

Now I don't know if that was the party line, or but covering. But three kapex owners present said that in daily usage over the past several years that never had an issue. And it certainly got me thinking about how I power my other tools on the job... How many miles of extension cord or distance from the panel is my outlet.   But definitely plug it into a CT, not some other device to turn on the extractor.... If any issue happen you want a clear festool provenance to the fault so the repair is on them, not you.

He very well is just relaying what Festool has told him, but that line is problematic. You can't look at a dead tool and say it got low voltage.  You would have to have voltage monitoring in the tool recording this too a "black box" for them to read during repair. If the tools have that Festool has put the money in the wrong places.  Now, the damage the see may show over current, and they might be deciding this is from low voltage to maintain a constant power. But that could just mean they are diagnosing the problem wrong and blaming something external, not an internal issue.

I would be concerned anytime someone is asking what you will use the tool for or how.  Aside from the "none of your business" aspect, it has nothing to do with if the tool will fail.  It's designed to work withing a certain design space, as long as you are within that, all is fine.  He's clearly trying to "get you into a Kapex today" which is fine, that's his/her job. But if one is trying to find your unique usage space to see if the tool might die when any other would be fine, that is a problem.

If in the end the problem is voltage supply drop,  Festool better address this in the new model. In general folks don't have control over this. Utilities aren't held to anything. They don't follow their own specs.  I know this from experience, show that large loads drop the neighbor hood 10-15V per 110V leg, they will say it's out of spec, but do nothing. They don't care, they have a monopoly.  Maybe in the end Festool under estimated how much variation folks get from the grid and they didn't design the 110V model to a lot enough voltage because they read specs of the US power grid, and not based it on reality of the US grid.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2019, 12:41 PM »
What a nice looking accessory fence!  I'm assuming you made that with 1/2" BB and a pattern bit on the router?

Thanks Kodi...that's 10mm BB and a jig saw. I also removed one of the small tips from the Kapex clamp pad to allow me to have more freedom with placement of the clamp and it also allows me to swivel the clamp around behind the fence. Previously I had to remove the clamp and then replace the clamp.


Offline jarbroen

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2019, 01:41 PM »
If I don’t power my Kapex through my Festool vac, how can I get the vac to come on when I start up the Kapex?

The Festool Bluetooth remote is awesome!   My wife bought it for my birthday.  You install the module in the vacuum and then have a remote that wraps around the hose end.
It's great for general purpose vacuum duties as well as turning it on when you don't have tools plugged into the CT.
I think the BT setup is $80 or so.
I'd go for that before one of those vacuum switches you plug into.

Offline Gregor

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2019, 11:43 AM »
I also removed one of the small tips from the Kapex clamp pad to allow me to have more freedom with placement of the clamp and it also allows me to swivel the clamp around behind the fence. Previously I had to remove the clamp and then replace the clamp.
The clamp gets high enough up to rotate it over the fence, no need to rotate it around it.
Works at least on mine, unless I'm having a sudden alzheimer's attack...

Offline Cheese

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2019, 12:03 PM »
The clamp gets high enough up to rotate it over the fence, no need to rotate it around it.
Works at least on mine, unless I'm having a sudden alzheimer's attack...

No you're good to go...I'm just lazy [big grin]


Offline Gregor

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2019, 03:17 PM »
No you're good to go...I'm just lazy [big grin]
Lucky me then  :)

But I can understand your laziness: the way the clamp is build leads to it sticking more often than not, so it sadly isn't a no-brain operation to get it up all the way...

Offline kevinculle

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2019, 09:32 AM »
@Mortiser

There is a Kapex with UG cart and wings in the For Sale section...started at asking price of $1750 and now asking for offers.

Offline Mortiser

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Re: Kapex 120 or Something Else?
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2019, 10:56 AM »
@kevinculle  Thank you. I'll take a look.
Rich